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15min penalty for group finder just daft!
Zypheran
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I still don't get the logic behind the 15min cool-down penalty after the group finder tool has been used. I can see one maybe two tenuous reasons to have it but the unbalance is that it causes a lot of annoyance in the many occasions when it is unfairly applied.
Today I spent 40mins queueing with my DD. Eventually group formed but instantaneously was disbanded by group leader. Maybe they didn't mean to queue, maybe they were just being nasty. Either way I have to wait 15mins and then queue probably for another 30-40mins. And no, I wasn't being kicked for being low CP or anything like, the group was just instantly disbanded.
I also see this happening and people complaining on forums when a low CP player gets insta-kicked from a group for being deemed too low for a specific dungeon. Again, a 15min cooldown penalty is just salt in the wound.
So please ESO, stop punishing the 90% of people who use group finder tool fairly for some notion of preventing the 10% who would abuse it.
Surely a mechanism can be introduced that ensures the 15min penalty is only applied when you leave a group by your own choice?
Edited by Zypheran on November 24, 2016 1:53PM Today I spent 40mins queueing with my DD. Eventually group formed but instantaneously was disbanded by group leader. Maybe they didn't mean to queue, maybe they were just being nasty. Either way I have to wait 15mins and then queue probably for another 30-40mins. And no, I wasn't being kicked for being low CP or anything like, the group was just instantly disbanded.
I also see this happening and people complaining on forums when a low CP player gets insta-kicked from a group for being deemed too low for a specific dungeon. Again, a 15min cooldown penalty is just salt in the wound.
So please ESO, stop punishing the 90% of people who use group finder tool fairly for some notion of preventing the 10% who would abuse it.
Surely a mechanism can be introduced that ensures the 15min penalty is only applied when you leave a group by your own choice?
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Dasovaruilos✭✭✭✭✭The timer is a terrible, terrible implementation. I said this time and time again here and I'll support any thread that addresses this until they say something. And I am a healer that gets queue basically in less than 1 minute most of the times.
The immediate group disband thing is a bug. It not someone actively disbanding the group. Some people say that it happens because AF puts more than 4 people in the group for some reason, and then the 5ht or 6th get this message as soon as it pops.
But again, the timer is terrible. It should be remove or completely reworked.6 -
MakoFore✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've made several complaints about the auto disband add on that many people are running - they apparently have the time to disband a group if the dungeon or cp of the group dosent suit them. i dont- i have an hour a day max- and for me to lose 15 minutes because of it sucks. oh well. hopefully they can figure out a workaround to this kind of nonsense. maybe reward players of higher cp for making it thru with lower cp players or vice versa...1 -
DoccEff✭✭✭✭✭Before the timer got implemented some people just started to queu for a random dungeon over and over, and left every group instantly until they got the dungeon they wanted. There is a reason why the CD got implemented. Just sayin.1 -
Zypheran✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've made several complaints about the auto disband add on that many people are running - they apparently have the time to disband a group if the dungeon or cp of the group doesn't suit them. i dont- i have an hour a day max- and for me to lose 15 minutes because of it sucks. oh well. hopefully they can figure out a workaround to this kind of nonsense. maybe reward players of higher cp for making it thru with lower cp players or vice versa...
Wow.. I did not know such an add-on existed!! It really annoys me to even think that ZOS could allow this to be used. Its so blatantly aggressive and mean. If somebody doesn't want to play with low CP players (and I completely understand and think that a person is entitled to that stance) then they can use their guild or zone chat but the use of this add-on is obscenely unfair.
@MakoFore , are you sure this add-on is legit? I'm appaled to think ZOS allow it!All my housing builds are available on YouTube
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Zypheran✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Before the timer got implemented some people just started to queu for a random dungeon over and over, and left every group instantly until they got the dungeon they wanted. There is a reason why the CD got implemented. Just sayin.
And I agreed from the outset that there were reasons for it but I just think that as a solution its like taking a cannon to a fly!
It causes more annoyance than it apparently prevents
Edited by Zypheran on November 24, 2016 1:46PMAll my housing builds are available on YouTube
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DoccEff✭✭✭✭✭I agree that sometimes the cooldown is unfair and something about it needs to be changed. Just wanted to mention, that removing it completely (like some people demand) just brings back other problems.0
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Zypheran✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I agree that sometimes the cooldown is unfair and something about it needs to be changed. Just wanted to mention, that removing it completely (like some people demand) just brings back other problems.
Good point. I'm gonna edit my OPAll my housing builds are available on YouTube
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Dymence✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've made several complaints about the auto disband add on that many people are running - they apparently have the time to disband a group if the dungeon or cp of the group doesn't suit them. i dont- i have an hour a day max- and for me to lose 15 minutes because of it sucks. oh well. hopefully they can figure out a workaround to this kind of nonsense. maybe reward players of higher cp for making it thru with lower cp players or vice versa...
Wow.. I did not know such an add-on existed!! It really annoys me to even think that ZOS could allow this to be used. Its so blatantly aggressive and mean. If somebody doesn't want to play with low CP players (and I completely understand and think that a person is entitled to that stance) then they can use their guild or zone chat but the use of this add-on is obscenely unfair.
@MakoFore , are you sure this add-on is legit? I'm appaled to think ZOS allow it!
You didn't know about it because it doesn't exist. The group disbanding is a bug. You cannot disband group finder groups.2 -
Dasovaruilos✭✭✭✭✭Before the timer got implemented some people just started to queu for a random dungeon over and over, and left every group instantly until they got the dungeon they wanted. There is a reason why the CD got implemented. Just sayin.
I know that.
I recognize that their INTENTIONS were good and they were trying to solve a real problem.
The thing is, in the end of the day, they created EVEN MORE problems.
People that used to hop around dungeons now just vote to kick everyone they don't like, and those people that are kicked are the ones getting the timer.
I think the timer should apply only if you leave and MAYBE if you are kicked after some time or maybe have a different kicking reason. I don't know, maybe a non-penalizing kick and a penalizing kick for those that actually causes trouble in a group.
But I'd rather have the dungeon hopping problem back than having this timer as it is now as that affects a lot more people and much more frequently than the original problem ever did.2 -
psxfloh✭✭✭✭Before the timer got implemented some people just started to queu for a random dungeon over and over, and left every group instantly until they got the dungeon they wanted. There is a reason why the CD got implemented. Just sayin.
Funny thing is I didn't see as many complaints about people doing what you mentioned as there are complaints about the 15min cooldown now.. but the 15min CD is still here in all its ugliness.
Intentions might 've been good, to prevent "queue hopping".. but then a simple 5min CD would've done the job, and it should apply only as soon as someone by his own choice leaves the group. Not when the group disbands (bug or no bug), not when someone is kicked, and not when all three other group members leave.
Maybe an "agreed disband" option could've been implemented on top: everyone can vote yes or no if the group should be disbanded, and if everyone votes yes => no cooldown.
Dear ZOS (@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_KaiSchober):
Please tell us what 'problem' you tried to fix with the group finder penalty, I'm never sure I fully understand your intentions...
And before you implement something like that again, pleeeaaase ask me for a better solution, I promise I will even provide it for free!
Edited by psxfloh on November 24, 2016 2:41PM2 -
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✭Before the timer got implemented some people just started to queu for a random dungeon over and over, and left every group instantly until they got the dungeon they wanted. There is a reason why the CD got implemented. Just sayin.
Funny thing is I didn't see as many complaints about people doing what you mentioned as there are complaints about the 15min cooldown now.. but the 15min CD is still here in all its ugliness.
Intentions might 've been good, to prevent "queue hopping".. but then a simple 5min CD would've done the job, and it should've been applied as soon as someone by his own choice leaves the group. Not when the group disbands (bug or no bug), not when someone is kicked, and not when all three other group members leave.
Maybe an "agreed disband" option could've been implemented on top: everyone can vote yes or no if the group should be disbanded, and if everyone votes yes => no cooldown.
There were a lot of complaints about people leaving group and instantly joining the queue again. In fact, it wrecked the group finder. ZoS just implemented the 15 minute timer incorrectly. They simply need to penalize people that choose to instantly leave.
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Before the timer got implemented some people just started to queu for a random dungeon over and over, and left every group instantly until they got the dungeon they wanted. There is a reason why the CD got implemented. Just sayin.
This could easily be addressed: You only get the timer when you voluntarily leave.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You know what else is daft? Designing your game so there is no build diversity.
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✭I've made several complaints about the auto disband add on that many people are running - they apparently have the time to disband a group if the dungeon or cp of the group doesn't suit them. i dont- i have an hour a day max- and for me to lose 15 minutes because of it sucks. oh well. hopefully they can figure out a workaround to this kind of nonsense. maybe reward players of higher cp for making it thru with lower cp players or vice versa...
Wow.. I did not know such an add-on existed!! It really annoys me to even think that ZOS could allow this to be used. Its so blatantly aggressive and mean. If somebody doesn't want to play with low CP players (and I completely understand and think that a person is entitled to that stance) then they can use their guild or zone chat but the use of this add-on is obscenely unfair.
@MakoFore , are you sure this add-on is legit? I'm appaled to think ZOS allow it!
Lol this happens on console so I know this happens without an addon. There is a bug that causes the group to auto disband.
Not sure where the idea that this was an addon came from. Especially considering you can't even disband the group when it's formed by group finder.
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✭I've made several complaints about the auto disband add on that many people are running - they apparently have the time to disband a group if the dungeon or cp of the group doesn't suit them. i dont- i have an hour a day max- and for me to lose 15 minutes because of it sucks. oh well. hopefully they can figure out a workaround to this kind of nonsense. maybe reward players of higher cp for making it thru with lower cp players or vice versa...
Wow.. I did not know such an add-on existed!! It really annoys me to even think that ZOS could allow this to be used. Its so blatantly aggressive and mean. If somebody doesn't want to play with low CP players (and I completely understand and think that a person is entitled to that stance) then they can use their guild or zone chat but the use of this add-on is obscenely unfair.
@MakoFore , are you sure this add-on is legit? I'm appaled to think ZOS allow it!
Lol this happens on console so I know this happens without an addon. There is a bug that causes the group to auto disband.
Not sure where the idea that this was an addon came from. Especially considering you can't even disband the group when it's formed by group finder.
You can't?! This is a bug?
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It would be nice if one could set criteria for grouping in queue. Level, Dungeon, Class, etc. That would solve a lot of problems, imo.0 -
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✭I've made several complaints about the auto disband add on that many people are running - they apparently have the time to disband a group if the dungeon or cp of the group doesn't suit them. i dont- i have an hour a day max- and for me to lose 15 minutes because of it sucks. oh well. hopefully they can figure out a workaround to this kind of nonsense. maybe reward players of higher cp for making it thru with lower cp players or vice versa...
Wow.. I did not know such an add-on existed!! It really annoys me to even think that ZOS could allow this to be used. Its so blatantly aggressive and mean. If somebody doesn't want to play with low CP players (and I completely understand and think that a person is entitled to that stance) then they can use their guild or zone chat but the use of this add-on is obscenely unfair.
@MakoFore , are you sure this add-on is legit? I'm appaled to think ZOS allow it!
Lol this happens on console so I know this happens without an addon. There is a bug that causes the group to auto disband.
Not sure where the idea that this was an addon came from. Especially considering you can't even disband the group when it's formed by group finder.
You can't?! This is a bug?
Not if you form the group using group finder. You can only leave and vote to kick. So the only explanation is a bug, since it happens across platforms and is not possible by choice.0 -
GawdSB✭✭✭✭✭This has happened to me twice today. I didn't want to make another thread, but this is very frustrating and needs to be fixed.
Group disbanded within a second of finding it and then I have to wait 15 minutes for a bs reason.0
