1T... the best update for PVP so far.

WarLord2905

Am I the only one who thinks 1T was the best thing that happened to PVP in a longtime. Despite all the complaining about proc sets and eye of the storm I think PVP is the most balanced it's been in a while. The proc sets are annoying but I don't find it hard to kill someone wearing them and eye of the storm is easy enough to avoid as the person is often running at you with a giant cloud above their head LOL. People playing tanks are actually tanks and seem to do very little damage but take half an army to kill, big damage dealers are squishy if caught without shields which is easy to do with shield changes. Nightblades gank, I am ok with this, that's what they are there for and are often killed quickly when caught in stealth or mess up their burst combo and don't kill someone, healers heal and provide de-buffs and damage support. I find 1v1 a lot more balanced than previous updates as I had zero chance of winning 1v1 against Stam builds after darkbrotherhood but with no changes to my gear that's no longer the case. I only play mag sorc, magblade and Templar healer. (Just incase people think I am a Stam meta build). Also the removal of doors on the resource towers...... Best decision ever. Dont change anything Zos.

HoloYoitsu

AzuraKin

please tell me how tanks tank in pvp? block? 8p sturdy full heavy + 3 block cost reduction s/b 100 points block cost reduction = rapid drain of stamina when 3+ people are hitting you.

removing doors on resource towers bad *** moving. removing doors on resource towers is like removing doors to keep outer/inner. and healing being balanced? healing is the weakest role in pvp now.

Rohamad_Ali

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

100% ^

WarLord2905

Just my opinion but I think the PVP is better now than it has been for a long while. Taking the doors off towers is nothing like a keep. You can't tell me that 20+ people standing behind the only door into a room spamming AOE's and snares when only 2 or 3 players could enter at a given time was a good thing, unless you were the type of player doing so. It's was total BS and only used as an exploit to farm AP. it is a resource to buff the keep, not to fortify your Zerg in once you lost that keep.

Vaoh

No, I'd say that the balance is pretty bad atm. We have players running around with some of the most broken OP setups ever achievable in ESO's history.

Sets and skill-imbalance alike are killing off the PvP population, and it's not because the game is "balanced" right now.

Rohamad_Ali

WarLord2905 wrote: »

Just my opinion but I think the PVP is better now than it has been for a long while. Taking the doors off towers is nothing like a keep. You can't tell me that 20+ people standing behind the only door into a room spamming AOE's and snares when only 2 or 3 players could enter at a given time was a good thing, unless you were the type of player doing so. It's was total BS and only used as an exploit to farm AP. it is a resource to buff the keep, not to fortify your Zerg in once you lost that keep.

Taking the doors of tower really di little to stop the crazy good groups from tower farming . They still get in there and farm away .

Bugs are rampant everywhere with proc sets . I didn't see half the people return to PvP and stay I expected .

Now if this was about PVE then I'd say YEA one Tamriel was great . Boosted guilds , seeing players in old dead zones and really made the community tighter . But PvP ... Oh hell no . There's some serious triage needed in Cyrodiil .

Mojmir

WarLord2905 wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks 1T was the best thing that happened to PVP in a longtime. Despite all the complaining about proc sets and eye of the storm I think PVP is the most balanced it's been in a while. The proc sets are annoying but I don't find it hard to kill someone wearing them and eye of the storm is easy enough to avoid as the person is often running at you with a giant cloud above their head LOL. People playing tanks are actually tanks and seem to do very little damage but take half an army to kill, big damage dealers are squishy if caught without shields which is easy to do with shield changes. Nightblades gank, I am ok with this, that's what they are there for and are often killed quickly when caught in stealth or mess up their burst combo and don't kill someone, healers heal and provide de-buffs and damage support. I find 1v1 a lot more balanced than previous updates as I had zero chance of winning 1v1 against Stam builds after darkbrotherhood but with no changes to my gear that's no longer the case. I only play mag sorc, magblade and Templar healer. (Just incase people think I am a Stam meta build). Also the removal of doors on the resource towers...... Best decision ever. Dont change anything Zos.

LOL wut?

leepalmer95

WarLord2905 wrote: »

Just my opinion but I think the PVP is better now than it has been for a long while. Taking the doors off towers is nothing like a keep. You can't tell me that 20+ people standing behind the only door into a room spamming AOE's and snares when only 2 or 3 players could enter at a given time was a good thing, unless you were the type of player doing so. It's was total BS and only used as an exploit to farm AP. it is a resource to buff the keep, not to fortify your Zerg in once you lost that keep.

So potato?

We are playing the same patch right? Were proc sets enable tanks to have the same burst dmg as a stam nb?

CatchMeTrolling

This is the worst I've ever seen pvp and I've mained pvp since release and it's also the most imbalanced I've seen.

Rohamad_Ali

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

This is the worst I've ever seen pvp and I've mained pvp since release and it's also the most imbalanced I've seen.

Well ... It's pretty close to vamp DK plague .

WarLord2905

All I know is I am still playing a magicka build and dieing less and killing more since 1T launched and all i do is PVP. I honestly don't find the proc sets anymore annoying than wrecking blow spammers, spin to win, or the lethal arrow or what ever it was called eras from previous patches. I just think people will exploit any issues and just complain about anything that kills them. If it's not proc sets it will be something else.

GreenSoup2HoT

Sums up my feelings so far:

Resource tower doors gone: Good
Spawn on Outposts: Good
Forward Camp 5min delay: Good
No more troll repair: Good
Cryodill Golden: Good

Double Ram Damage: Bad
Stacking Proc sets: Bad
Viality potions: Bad
Resourse Poisons: Bad
Overbuffed Destro Ult: Bad
Infernal Guadian no LOS/breaks stealth: Bad
Insane damage from monster sets: Bad
Viper procing off enchants: Bad
Cloak still buggy: Bad
No sprint regen: Bad
Clouding Swarm still useless: Bad
Gap closer snares: Bad

Did i miss anything?

CatchMeTrolling

WarLord2905 wrote: »

All I know is I am still playing a magicka build and dieing less and killing more since 1T launched and all i do is PVP. I honestly don't find the proc sets anymore annoying than wrecking blow spammers, spin to win, or the lethal arrow or what ever it was called eras from previous patches. I just think people will exploit any issues and just complain about anything that kills them. If it's not proc sets it will be something else.

Actually run around solo for a day and you'll see exactly why this patch is broken, anyone can play in groups or zerg v zerg and think everything is fine, though when you solo or try to small scale you see every problem that's wrong with the game.

WarLord2905

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

WarLord2905 wrote: »

All I know is I am still playing a magicka build and dieing less and killing more since 1T launched and all i do is PVP. I honestly don't find the proc sets anymore annoying than wrecking blow spammers, spin to win, or the lethal arrow or what ever it was called eras from previous patches. I just think people will exploit any issues and just complain about anything that kills them. If it's not proc sets it will be something else.

Actually run around solo for a day and you'll see exactly why this patch is broken, anyone can play in groups or zerg v zerg and think everything is fine, though when you solo or try to small scale you see every problem that's wrong with the game.

I do run solo often. PVP is designed around grouping with people. If your complaining that you can't run solo anymore and take out groups on your own, that's not broken. I would say that working as intended.

CatchMeTrolling

WarLord2905 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

WarLord2905 wrote: »

All I know is I am still playing a magicka build and dieing less and killing more since 1T launched and all i do is PVP. I honestly don't find the proc sets anymore annoying than wrecking blow spammers, spin to win, or the lethal arrow or what ever it was called eras from previous patches. I just think people will exploit any issues and just complain about anything that kills them. If it's not proc sets it will be something else.

Actually run around solo for a day and you'll see exactly why this patch is broken, anyone can play in groups or zerg v zerg and think everything is fine, though when you solo or try to small scale you see every problem that's wrong with the game.

I do run solo often. PVP is designed around grouping with people. If your complaining that you can't run solo anymore and take out groups on your own, that's not broken. I would say that working as intended.

Lol.

montiferus

Anybody who runs solo. I mean anyone on Xbox NA who says this must be playing a different game than me. It is basically impossible to play solo now. I tried last night on Haddy to get back into PVP and it was the worst I have ever seen it. No hyperbole.

See my post in the other PVP section.

Waffennacht

montiferus wrote: »

Anybody who runs solo. I mean anyone on Xbox NA who says this must be playing a different game than me. It is basically impossible to play solo now. I tried last night on Haddy to get back into PVP and it was the worst I have ever seen it. No hyperbole.

See my post in the other PVP section.

I solo... cropsford lol.

OP must be a Templar

Thelon

WarLord2905 wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks 1T was the best thing that happened to PVP in a longtime

WarLord2905 wrote: »

PVP is the most balanced it's been in a while.

WarLord2905 wrote: »

eye of the storm is easy enough to avoid

WarLord2905 wrote: »

People playing tanks are actually tanks and seem to do very little damage

WarLord2905 wrote: »

I find 1v1 a lot more balanced than previous updates.

WarLord2905 wrote: »

the removal of doors on the resource towers...... Best decision ever.

WarLord2905 wrote: »

Dont change anything Zos.

You just went full potato. Never go full potato.

thankyourat

montiferus wrote: »

Anybody who runs solo. I mean anyone on Xbox NA who says this must be playing a different game than me. It is basically impossible to play solo now. I tried last night on Haddy to get back into PVP and it was the worst I have ever seen it. No hyperbole.

See my post in the other PVP section.

Lol you can solo a little bit in the morning before it gets to crowded, but even then it's not really fun most of the time . I don't know what the op is talking about. I've also never seen PvP as bad as it is now. I pretty much just zerg surf all afternoon lol. The damage is just too high to play alone

Minalan

I have hope that the next patch will be better for PVP than the disasters that were dark brotherhood and hist.

One-T is only marginally better because of the resource doors and troll repairing. There are no words to describe my hate for the old troll repairing.

Other than that, yeah no. 1T is not balanced in any quantifiable way. Unless you count giving every class equal access to cheese "balanced".

pcar944

removing doors maybe wasn't the best idea but I can see the good side of it

you still have a building you can setup in

and sorry, but its really hard to ignore proc sets

but since there are proc sets, I am doing to be using Eye of Storm

and if one gets nerfed, the other better get nerfed too

olsborg

It would have been great, if not for all the proccsetcancers that keep RNGing you. ZOS dumbed down pvp to the point where its just comical.

Kutsuu

AzuraKin wrote: »

please tell me how tanks tank in pvp? block? 8p sturdy full heavy + 3 block cost reduction s/b 100 points block cost reduction = rapid drain of stamina when 3+ people are hitting you.

removing doors on resource towers bad *** moving. removing doors on resource towers is like removing doors to keep outer/inner. and healing being balanced? healing is the weakest role in pvp now.

Block has a rate limit on how often it draws stam (half a second I think) - makes it very efficient with a whole bunch of targets on you for damage reduction. I've run into quite a few of these tank-only builds with no killing power and they are very effective at tanking. But then you have blazplars who can and will drop whole zergs of idiots given the opportunity.

Kutsuu

I do agree that PVP is more balanced than it's been in any of my previous stints playing this game. People *always* have rosy glasses for stuff that happened a long time ago. I'm running a no-proc medium armor stamina build and having very competitive fights with proc users, magicka builds, etc. You'd think this was utterly impossible if you read these forums without playing the game.

WarLord2905

Waffennacht wrote: »

montiferus wrote: »

Anybody who runs solo. I mean anyone on Xbox NA who says this must be playing a different game than me. It is basically impossible to play solo now. I tried last night on Haddy to get back into PVP and it was the worst I have ever seen it. No hyperbole.

See my post in the other PVP section.

I solo... cropsford lol.

OP must be a Templar

I actually run a magic sorc with old sets mainly. Julianos, Magnus, willpower.

DHale

Even when proc sets get nerfed you guys and gals will still die. Even when the game is "balanced" you will still get rolled. Nothing will save you from being a potatoe. If you can't stand the heat now nothing will change that simple fact. A 2 or 3 k viper sting is not going to matter in the grand scheme of things. The person that killed you stopped hitting you because you were dead. If they can no longer proc a viper sting they will simply.... hit.... you.... again. I am pretty sure you can see that. It's the 6 k ambush and 7 k surprise attack not the 3 k viper sting. But alas no matter what ZOS does players will complain because in the end 1 % of players are actually really good and the 99% percent want to be the 1%. Just like rl.

kadar

XBOX NA servers must be a strange place indeed...

Kutsuu

DHale wrote: »

Even when proc sets get nerfed you guys and gals will still die. Even when the game is "balanced" you will still get rolled. Nothing will save you from being a potatoe. If you can't stand the heat now nothing will change that simple fact. A 2 or 3 k viper sting is not going to matter in the grand scheme of things. The person that killed you stopped hitting you because you were dead. If they can no longer proc a viper sting they will simply.... hit.... you.... again. I am pretty sure you can see that. It's the 6 k ambush and 7 k surprise attack not the 3 k viper sting. But alas no matter what ZOS does players will complain because in the end 1 % of players are actually really good and the 99% percent want to be the 1%. Just like rl.

They'll just replace that Viper set with a set that provides more raw damage. Example: Spriggan set, assuming no overpenetration, will cause your attacks to do roughly 11% more damage per hit (for most builds) than Viper's 4-piece bonus does.

Lexxypwns

montiferus wrote: »

Anybody who runs solo. I mean anyone on Xbox NA who says this must be playing a different game than me. It is basically impossible to play solo now. I tried last night on Haddy to get back into PVP and it was the worst I have ever seen it. No hyperbole.

See my post in the other PVP section.

These days, for me, Solo Pvp amounts to killing a few scrubs, kiting 10 of their Friends into a choke and bombing them there, rinse and repeat

WarLord2905

DHale wrote: »

Even when proc sets get nerfed you guys and gals will still die. Even when the game is "balanced" you will still get rolled. Nothing will save you from being a potatoe. If you can't stand the heat now nothing will change that simple fact. A 2 or 3 k viper sting is not going to matter in the grand scheme of things. The person that killed you stopped hitting you because you were dead. If they can no longer proc a viper sting they will simply.... hit.... you.... again. I am pretty sure you can see that. It's the 6 k ambush and 7 k surprise attack not the 3 k viper sting. But alas no matter what ZOS does players will complain because in the end 1 % of players are actually really good and the 99% percent want to be the 1%. Just like rl.

^^^^Exactly^^^^