Grinding in main quest locations

AzraelKrieg

Yet again, another case of players grinding in main quest locations and impairing the progress of other players. HoonDing's Watch in Alik'r Desert this time. Players are killing the spectres before people doing the quest can get to them causing the necessary essences that need to be collected to not spawn. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can you please look into this and do something about it. I've reported 7 players already for it as I'm trying to do said quest and they are making it harder than necessary.

Ryska

What part of sharing is caring do these spawn hoggers not understand?

Doctordarkspawn

Ryska wrote: »

What part of sharing is caring do these spawn hoggers not understand?

The part where the world does not conform to their will.

These people typically screech at anyone taking kills or competing, so it's impossible to reason with them. Worse still, they reach endgame without a clue of how to actually play the game because they've never faced a boss and thus flood the game with inexperienced newbies who have to learn the hard way.

AzraelKrieg

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Ryska wrote: »

What part of sharing is caring do these spawn hoggers not understand?

The part where the world does not conform to their will.

These people typically screech at anyone taking kills or competing, so it's impossible to reason with them. Worse still, they reach endgame without a clue of how to actually play the game because they've never faced a boss and thus flood the game with inexperienced newbies who have to learn the hard way.

Unfortunately there were some Champ ranked players there. Low ranked mind you so they weren't going to be effective in any case but this crap is annoying.

alexkdd99

It amazes me what people will find to complain about. You are reporting people for killing enemies?

And people wonder why actual rule breakers don't get punished, because people like you clog up customer service with bogus reports.

You have got to be kidding.

AzraelKrieg

alexkdd99 wrote: »

It amazes me what people will find to complain about. You are reporting people for killing enemies?

And people wonder why actual rule breakers don't get punished, because people like you clog up customer service with bogus reports.

You have got to be kidding.

Killing enemies that are required for a main story quest. Had it been in an area where there was no main quest step that could be waved off but HoonDing's Watch is part of the main story in Alik'r Desert and the spectres there drop an essence that needs to be collected to progress that quest. People grinding on those and killing them before someone doing that quest can get a shot in causes the quest to become blocked and progress stalls. This is the same as the issues with the bears in Southpoint in Grahtwood from a few months back where people were killing the bears for easy scraps while people on the quest were trying to complete it. As far as I'm concerned, these people are removing the enjoyment that some people have in Elder Scrolls games and that is the story so kindly pull your head out of your ass.

Biro123

Did you try talking to them?

I don't know about you, but if I'm looking for a particular gear set, I'll go where it drops. I probably won't remember what quests were in that zone.. I may not even know (havn't completed them all for all factions) - but I'd happily stop for a mo so someone can finish their quest. I'd even help them.

AzraelKrieg

Biro123 wrote: »

Did you try talking to them?

I don't know about you, but if I'm looking for a particular gear set, I'll go where it drops. I probably won't remember what quests were in that zone.. I may not even know (havn't completed them all for all factions) - but I'd happily stop for a mo so someone can finish their quest. I'd even help them.

Most people who are after a particular set know what it drops from and will go there. But these players were mostly sub 50 and the few post 50's that were there were under CP160 so clearly they weren't after sets.

MakoFore

i feel bad 4 new players and questers coming thru the game who want to enjoy the game and get immersive , they enter a dungeon thinking "wow this is amazing" and then see 30 idiots (like me- I've been on both sides) darting from boss to boss smashing steel tornadoes on everything in sight.

before one tamriel i remember going to my first dungeon solo- i think it was crows wood- and finding it really hard- but also especially exciting and fun- it was like an adventure out of the elder scroll games. last time i went there there were 20 guys camped outside of a boss spawn annihilating everthig with ultimates.

i dont know what the solution is- but agree its a problem for the game wanting to bring new players in. they come to the game hoping to quest a little and see this - and guess whart- monkey see monkey do- they end up grinding gear before they've even played one dungeon or finished a quest line. I've seen players get to cp180 in this situation .

AzraelKrieg

MakoFore wrote: »

i feel bad 4 new players and questers coming thru the game who want to enjoy the game and get immersive , they enter a dungeon thinking "wow this is amazing" and then see 30 idiots (like me- I've been on both sides) darting from boss to boss smashing steel tornadoes on everything in sight.

before one tamriel i remember going to my first dungeon solo- i think it was crows wood- and finding it really hard- but also especially exciting and fun- it was like an adventure out of the elder scroll games. last time i went there there were 20 guys camped outside of a boss spawn annihilating everthig with ultimates.

i dont know what the solution is- but agree its a problem for the game wanting to bring new players in. they come to the game hoping to quest a little and see this - and guess whart- monkey see monkey do- they end up grinding gear before they've even played one dungeon or finished a quest line. I've seen players get to cp180 in this situation .

There is a solution and ZOS have implemented it once before for a delve space in Deshaan. People were grinding on dwemer spiders in Bthanual in Deshaan but the issue is players doing quests need those spiders for the quest otherwise they can't progress so to discourage the grinders in that area, they made it so the constructs give no XP. If they do that HoonDing's Watch, it would deter the grinders a lot and it would give the people doing the quest a chance to finish it. I wouldn't want this done to all quests but if the enemies in the quest space are needed for completion, especially on main story quests, it would need to be looked at as an option.

Rawst

I'm pretty sure this was a minor annoyance which was resolved in a few minutes at most, since you said they were grinding there, which implies that there are plenty of fast-spawning mobs at the area in question, otherwise grinding would not be possible.

And I >really< hope people are not getting banned or even sanctioned at all just because someone reports them for grinding at a quest spot. Reporting them for this seems like spiteful petty vengeance for annoying you with their presence.

AzraelKrieg

Rawst wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this was a minor annoyance which was resolved in a few minutes at most, since you said they were grinding there, which implies that there are plenty of fast-spawning mobs at the area in question, otherwise grinding would not be possible.

And I >really< hope people are not getting banned or even sanctioned at all just because someone reports them for grinding at a quest spot. Reporting them for this seems like spiteful petty vengeance for annoying you with their presence.

While the spawn is quick, there were enough people grinding there to make it so they all died just as quickly. I was lucky to get in a few shots with ground AOE to clear the quest but even on the way up to the last step of the quest where the people were grinding I would have to wait for respawns to be able to move on. People will grind, that's a given and you can't stop that but they can at least be stopped in areas where the spawns are needed for the quest to progress smoothly. I saw some players trying to get quick shots in on those mobs at the last step and they were struggling as they dropped too quickly. Reporting them may have been extreme or petty but when they are causing a block in progress, it's the easiest way to deal with it. Sure they might not be banned but it brings the problem to light with ZOS as the forums don't always do that

Dymence

You need one hit to get credit for loot. Literally one it.

Is that too much to ask?

AzraelKrieg

When they die faster than you can get to them, yes. I had ground AoE, I had it easy. There were other players struggling to even get on hit.

Lumbermill_Emperor

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

I've reported 7 players already for it as I'm trying to do said quest and they are making it harder than necessary.

and you will be banned temporary for fake reports
enjoy, scrub

DurzoBlint13

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Did you try talking to them?

I don't know about you, but if I'm looking for a particular gear set, I'll go where it drops. I probably won't remember what quests were in that zone.. I may not even know (havn't completed them all for all factions) - but I'd happily stop for a mo so someone can finish their quest. I'd even help them.

Most people who are after a particular set know what it drops from and will go there. But these players were mostly sub 50 and the few post 50's that were there were under CP160 so clearly they weren't after sets.

if they were newer players how do you know they were not doing the quest that you were trying to do? Did you ask? Did you ask to group with them so you would all get credit for the kills too? Text chat (if you do not have a mic or do not want to use one) is great for this type of thing.

AzraelKrieg

DurzoBlint13 wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Did you try talking to them?

I don't know about you, but if I'm looking for a particular gear set, I'll go where it drops. I probably won't remember what quests were in that zone.. I may not even know (havn't completed them all for all factions) - but I'd happily stop for a mo so someone can finish their quest. I'd even help them.

Most people who are after a particular set know what it drops from and will go there. But these players were mostly sub 50 and the few post 50's that were there were under CP160 so clearly they weren't after sets.

if they were newer players how do you know they were not doing the quest that you were trying to do? Did you ask? Did you ask to group with them so you would all get credit for the kills too? Text chat (if you do not have a mic or do not want to use one) is great for this type of thing.

I'm on PC so no mic option but they were following the group around and not trying to go to where the main target of that step was sent to spawn so if they were questing, they would have been able to do that as the low levels were leading the pulls most of the time.

deevoh1991

This thankfully has never happened to me,
If someones killing it fast I make sure to get my shots in too asap to make the kill
Sometimes the boss isn't or just killed there so I know it's been killed so I wait, this doesn't happen everytime. Maybe one in 10?
I dunno it's like saying leave the World boss and dolmens alone.
Or maybe they should make mainstory quest bosses mandatory solo.

Rawst

Oh... I thought perhaps it was the "bring the hp down to almost 0 and then use amulet" type of quest, where others killing mobs would have actually constitued a problem, but it seems you only had to kill them. In that case, you have no excuse for reporting grinders, since all you need is literally one hit per mob.

Don't report people for random bs like this, report them for real issues.

jedtb16_ESO

hmmmm....... other people around in an mmo.


whatever next?

Osteos

Honestly people! There is nothing wrong with grinding but leave a few mobs alone for questers. That is not asking too much. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered, don't be a hog!

lagrue

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Yet again, another case of players grinding in main quest locations and impairing the progress of other players. HoonDing's Watch in Alik'r Desert this time. Players are killing the spectres before people doing the quest can get to them causing the necessary essences that need to be collected to not spawn. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can you please look into this and do something about it. I've reported 7 players already for it as I'm trying to do said quest and they are making it harder than necessary.

m8 - I've had this before, used to be a common problem in a certain Ebonheart area - just save up your ult and cast it the second they spawn - you only need to hit one single time and your ult will almost be garaunteed to do so since it's "high priority" to be processed even over other people's attacks and such.