High defense and offense set help for a magic sorc?

deevoh1991

Im a magic sorc who's play style is extreme defense and offense since I'm a little slow in playing and do not want to be a glass cannon. I have a 5 pc rattle set with all the energy giving rings and necklaces (Gem of curses/forbidden necklace), the bonus is a 20% major sorcery, Also pls note Im not willing to compromise on rattle, just what I can add to it
My question is if I add a slimeclaw monster mask will I get a 8% boost? making me dish out 28% more spell damage?
Also would you suggest I spend CP points on Spell Crit increase or Spell Penet ?

threefarms

The mag sorc excels at being a glass cannon and then casting hardened ward. True story.

threefarms

Don't use slimecraw on mag sorc! Use a magic based set.

bebynnag

since you are sold on rattlecage i would suggest you use 5 pieces light armour

a few that are reasonable easy to aquire are
Spinners (drop) A LOT of spell penetration
julianus (crafted) spell crit & spell damage
mothers sorrow (drop) A LOT of spell crit

but please note the 5th piece bonus on rattlecage DOES NOT stack with the spell damage buff you get under storm calling, an they are the exact same buff

AverageJo3Gam3r

Why would you run rattlecage on a magSorc? Surge is literally one of the best self buffs in the game, and rattle cage doesn't stack with it. If you want a mix of offense and defense, sorcs are best when stacking max magicka since shields scale on magicka. Get the necropetence set and use one of your summons and you can solo many group dungeons in the game.

For your CP question...crit for PvE, pen for pvp.

deevoh1991

Thank you I easily die with low armor and clearly am still very new to the game :S

deevoh1991

puffytheslayer wrote: »

since you are sold on rattlecage i would suggest you use 5 pieces light armour

a few that are reasonable easy to aquire are
Spinners (drop) A LOT of spell penetration
julianus (crafted) spell crit & spell damage
mothers sorrow (drop) A LOT of spell crit

but please note the 5th piece bonus on rattlecage DOES NOT stack with the spell damage buff you get under storm calling, an they are the exact same buff

True but here it's a passive buff and I can conserve more energy dishing out destruction spells and retaining armor right? Maybe I should have julianos mixed with it.
Or maybe I should go for a heavy armored julianos. But isn't this one DLC?

Minalan

Rattlecage is mostly a magplar set. They need both the heavy armor and they don't have access to major sorcery outside of the mages guild (entropy, which is kind of bad for them).

Sorcs get power surge. It lasts for over 30 seconds and it heals you a little on every critical hit (it adds up quick).

Lexxypwns

As others have said, rattlecage is a waste on sorc since surge is so good and a long duration. If you insist on running it though:
3 jewels 2 armor rattlecage
5 spinners (4 light armor + sharpned staff)
1 grothdarr light

If you can be persuaded to run a more effective setup:
5 lich (rings, neck, 1 armor, resto)
5 spinners (4 armor + destro)
2 infernal guardian, or 1 illambris 1 grothdarr or 2 pirate king

Sorc derives it's defense from shields, they scale off max magika. This makes spinners a great set with its two magika bonuses, 1 spell damage, and huge penetration give you exceptional damage and make your shields just that extra bit larger.

As for lich, it's ridiculously strong, you need no other source of magika sustain except CPs, allowing you to run either Mage stone for bigger shields and some damage or thief stone to increase your burst by a greater amount but doesn't benefit your defense like the Mage stone would.

2 infernal or 1 groth/1ilambris are both good choices, either you get 2k magika or a decent proc from casting shields, can't go wrong.

The pirate king set gives you a 30% damage resistance and 15% heal debuff, the resistance applies to your shields making them significantly stronger allowing you to make the heal debuff nearly unnoticeable, IMO this is the BiS monster set for all shield stackers

deevoh1991

I think I'm the only sorc who wants a 5 Pc heavy armor.
Tank sorc.
Hmm..

bebynnag

as others have said surge is powerful, it heals you & it lasts a long time

yes its a passive with rattlecage so it is always up, but surge is not difficult to maintain and the cost is neglagable considering the length of time its active & what you get in return (free heals on all crits)

but this is my opinion you should play the way you want and if rattlecage is the way you want to go, then do it.

in PvP there is an argument for using heavy armour with the current stam, 1 hit proc build that are behind every rock & tree, but resource management may be difficult, and you may find yourself being too defensive not allowing for any offence

however for PvE you would be much stronger in light armour, your best defence in dungeons is a good offence

choosing heavy over light will cost you spell penetration, and while it doesnt show up on your character sheet it does make a huge diffrence to actual damage dealt

yes julianus is a DLC set but it is only 6 traits so finding a crafter should be quite simple,

Lexxypwns

Minalan wrote: »

Rattlecage is mostly a magplar set. They need both the heavy armor and they don't have access to major sorcery outside of the mages guild (entropy, which is kind of bad for them).

Sorcs get power surge. It lasts for over 30 seconds and it heals you a little on every critical hit (it adds up quick).

Actually, rattlecage is garbage on all classes. Templars give up either spinners, spellweave, lich, soulshine, or transmutation for it. It's not anywhere near as good as ANY of those sets

bebynnag

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Rattlecage is mostly a magplar set. They need both the heavy armor and they don't have access to major sorcery outside of the mages guild (entropy, which is kind of bad for them).

Sorcs get power surge. It lasts for over 30 seconds and it heals you a little on every critical hit (it adds up quick).

Actually, rattlecage is garbage on all classes. Templars give up either spinners, spellweave, lich, soulshine, or transmutation for it. It's not anywhere near as good as ANY of those sets

while the sets you have mentioned are strong, and i dont personally run rattlecage, i know a few people who have chosen to run it (on magplars) and they would disagree with you

bebynnag

Deevo191 wrote: »

I think I'm the only sorc who wants a 5 Pc heavy armor.
Tank sorc.
Hmm..

you never mentioned that you were a tank in your original post

the advice people have been offering you is for a deffensive dps build. quite different to a tank build.

or are you wanting a tanky dps sorc? because sorcs are at their tankiest with crazy high magic and shields stacked for days.

Lexxypwns

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Rattlecage is mostly a magplar set. They need both the heavy armor and they don't have access to major sorcery outside of the mages guild (entropy, which is kind of bad for them).

Sorcs get power surge. It lasts for over 30 seconds and it heals you a little on every critical hit (it adds up quick).

Actually, rattlecage is garbage on all classes. Templars give up either spinners, spellweave, lich, soulshine, or transmutation for it. It's not anywhere near as good as ANY of those sets

while the sets you have mentioned are strong, and i dont personally run rattlecage, i know a few people who have chosen to run it (on magplars) and they would disagree with you

They, or anyone else, can disagree with me to their hearts content. Math will show you that rattlecage is less damage than the damage sets I suggested.

Entropy is very efficient, 2% max mag and mag regen for slotting, empower on cast and passive HP. I mean, you could slot inner light, but the damage you give up between rattlecage and soulshine is more than the damage bonus you receive from inner light since magplar already has major prophecy in their toolkit

bebynnag

Lexxypwns wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Rattlecage is mostly a magplar set. They need both the heavy armor and they don't have access to major sorcery outside of the mages guild (entropy, which is kind of bad for them).

Sorcs get power surge. It lasts for over 30 seconds and it heals you a little on every critical hit (it adds up quick).

Actually, rattlecage is garbage on all classes. Templars give up either spinners, spellweave, lich, soulshine, or transmutation for it. It's not anywhere near as good as ANY of those sets

while the sets you have mentioned are strong, and i dont personally run rattlecage, i know a few people who have chosen to run it (on magplars) and they would disagree with you

They, or anyone else, can disagree with me to their hearts content. Math will show you that rattlecage is less damage than the damage.

Entropy is very efficient, 2% max mag and mag regen for slotting, empower on cast and passive HP. I mean, you could slot inner light, but the damage you give up between rattlecage and soulshine is more than the damage bonus you receive from inner light since magplar already has major prophecy in their toolkit

i tried it myself & reached the same conclusion, but then i see other peoples build in action and i wonder... how does it work for them? when it was awful for me! LOL

Lexxypwns

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Rattlecage is mostly a magplar set. They need both the heavy armor and they don't have access to major sorcery outside of the mages guild (entropy, which is kind of bad for them).

Sorcs get power surge. It lasts for over 30 seconds and it heals you a little on every critical hit (it adds up quick).

Actually, rattlecage is garbage on all classes. Templars give up either spinners, spellweave, lich, soulshine, or transmutation for it. It's not anywhere near as good as ANY of those sets

while the sets you have mentioned are strong, and i dont personally run rattlecage, i know a few people who have chosen to run it (on magplars) and they would disagree with you

They, or anyone else, can disagree with me to their hearts content. Math will show you that rattlecage is less damage than the damage.

Entropy is very efficient, 2% max mag and mag regen for slotting, empower on cast and passive HP. I mean, you could slot inner light, but the damage you give up between rattlecage and soulshine is more than the damage bonus you receive from inner light since magplar already has major prophecy in their toolkit

i tried it myself & reached the same conclusion, but then i see other peoples build in action and i wonder... how does it work for them? when it was awful for me! LOL

Skill can overcome an inefficient build, but when the same player runs, say, 5 soulshine 5 bsw instead of 5 rattlecage 5 soulshine they will have vastly superior results

Kutsuu

Honestly the best defensive sorcs I run into are the ones who can sustain recasting shields for an indefinite period of time, not the heavy armor ones. Often this means they use Lich along with a DPS set. Pirate Skeleton set makes your shields even more tanky since the 30% damage reduction applies to shields, while infernal guardian makes your shields offensive. Sure you can get ganked pretty easily when your shields are down, but I 100% guarantee that I can still gank you with your shields down in heavy armor unless you have north of 30k HP.

darthsithis

^^ which is why I insist on 5 lich, warlock jewelry, and kena set.

Damage and regen and bursty, oh my!

Vanzen

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Rattlecage is mostly a magplar set. They need both the heavy armor and they don't have access to major sorcery outside of the mages guild (entropy, which is kind of bad for them).

Sorcs get power surge. It lasts for over 30 seconds and it heals you a little on every critical hit (it adds up quick).

Actually, rattlecage is garbage on all classes. Templars give up either spinners, spellweave, lich, soulshine, or transmutation for it. It's not anywhere near as good as ANY of those sets

while the sets you have mentioned are strong, and i dont personally run rattlecage, i know a few people who have chosen to run it (on magplars) and they would disagree with you

They, or anyone else, can disagree with me to their hearts content. Math will show you that rattlecage is less damage than the damage.

Entropy is very efficient, 2% max mag and mag regen for slotting, empower on cast and passive HP. I mean, you could slot inner light, but the damage you give up between rattlecage and soulshine is more than the damage bonus you receive from inner light since magplar already has major prophecy in their toolkit

i tried it myself & reached the same conclusion, but then i see other peoples build in action and i wonder... how does it work for them? when it was awful for me! LOL

I run Rattle/Lich or Désert Rose on my DK.

Getting rid of entropy and be able to slot an other skill is worth any Dps loss.

There is something I enjoy so much. Now I dont have a single buff to refresh on my bars.

Masel

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/3536396#Comment_3536396

You can use this build, very survivable, strong sustain, strong damage.

If you want some heavy pieces swap elegance for five sergeant's mail and boom. I recommend just keeping up a shield though...

Minalan

Lexxypwns wrote: »

As others have said, rattlecage is a waste on sorc since surge is so good and a long duration. If you insist on running it though:
3 jewels 2 armor rattlecage
5 spinners (4 light armor + sharpned staff)
1 grothdarr light

If you can be persuaded to run a more effective setup:
5 lich (rings, neck, 1 armor, resto)
5 spinners (4 armor + destro)
2 infernal guardian, or 1 illambris 1 grothdarr or 2 pirate king

Sorc derives it's defense from shields, they scale off max magika. This makes spinners a great set with its two magika bonuses, 1 spell damage, and huge penetration give you exceptional damage and make your shields just that extra bit larger.

As for lich, it's ridiculously strong, you need no other source of magika sustain except CPs, allowing you to run either Mage stone for bigger shields and some damage or thief stone to increase your burst by a greater amount but doesn't benefit your defense like the Mage stone would.

2 infernal or 1 groth/1ilambris are both good choices, either you get 2k magika or a decent proc from casting shields, can't go wrong.

The pirate king set gives you a 30% damage resistance and 15% heal debuff, the resistance applies to your shields making them significantly stronger allowing you to make the heal debuff nearly unnoticeable, IMO this is the BiS monster set for all shield stackers

The pirate thing. I did not know that! I'll have to try it on a duel wield setup with 52K max magicka. I figured it was unshielded only, and on top of that it lasts 12 seconds.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Rattlecage is mostly a magplar set. They need both the heavy armor and they don't have access to major sorcery outside of the mages guild (entropy, which is kind of bad for them).

Sorcs get power surge. It lasts for over 30 seconds and it heals you a little on every critical hit (it adds up quick).

Actually, rattlecage is garbage on all classes. Templars give up either spinners, spellweave, lich, soulshine, or transmutation for it. It's not anywhere near as good as ANY of those sets

I just said it was a magplar set, not that its BIS. I would probably argue that black rose is BIS for keeping them alive and in a fight longer with resources in PVP. Depending on your role, Mix that with transmutation to be more annoying or soul shine with jewelry for damage and you're golden. Top it off with Malubeth and so much hate.