Nightmothers vs Spriggan for Vmsa

threefarms

Assume using 5 VO, and either Velidreth or Kra'gh. Which 5 piece set between NMG and spriggan would pull more damage for the stamina Templar/sorcerer?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Spriggan, simply cause of more pen, though be aware that vMA bosses have different armor and spell resists, they were not normalized like the rest of the game, some of them only have around 10k resists, meaning if you have a way to apply major fracture or breach, you can actually max out the pen with just sharpened and that.

Now as a stam temp/sorc, I am not aware of a way for you do apply that debuff so spriggan plus power of the light and sharpened will get you close to that, if not more.

Shader_Shibes

Yeah, as above. Ideally you want 5 Spriggans on the body though, however this leaves you needing VO daggers -_-

DannyLV702

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Yeah, as above. Ideally you want 5 Spriggans on the body though, however this leaves you needing VO daggers -_-

Lucky is the man with 2 VO daggers

susmitds

NMG is better. Simply because the 2 Stamina bonuses in Spriggan are much weaker than the 2 Crit bonuses of NMG. The difference is about 3%. However spriggan has 4000 penetration which is around 2.8% extra damage over NMG 5-piece but it still fails to make up the lost damage by other piece bonuses. Also NMG will fetch higher heals as well, as Penetration does not increase heals.

actosh

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Yeah, as above. Ideally you want 5 Spriggans on the body though, however this leaves you needing VO daggers -_-

Lucky is the man with 2 VO daggers

Or Spriggan daggers. U can get one by doin a quest in bangkorai.
Wayshrine "the old tower" in the southeast.
Then head follow the road to the east until u see a npc named scarab or somethin.
After doin two quests for him u get a spriggan dagger with crit trait. Not ideal but do that on a lot of chars and u have enough daggers to use.

Currently i use 5spriggan 5ophiduan 2 kragh and my highest score in vma after 4runs with this setup was 542k. Still room to improve.

For the quest dagger, u can create a char, get the wayshrine from a friend and do the quest. After that put it in the bank. Then let the char u want to have the dagger take it from the bank, delete the char u created fojr that quest and repeat.

This way u can get as much daggers in precise as u want.

Btw, they are bind on equip, so u could sell them ^^

acw37162

actosh wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Yeah, as above. Ideally you want 5 Spriggans on the body though, however this leaves you needing VO daggers -_-

Lucky is the man with 2 VO daggers

Or Spriggan daggers. U can get one by doin a quest in bangkorai.
Wayshrine "the old tower" in the southeast.
Then head follow the road to the east until u see a npc named scarab or somethin.
After doin two quests for him u get a spriggan dagger with crit trait. Not ideal but do that on a lot of chars and u have enough daggers to use.

This right here is great info thank you.

actosh

acw37162 wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Yeah, as above. Ideally you want 5 Spriggans on the body though, however this leaves you needing VO daggers -_-

Lucky is the man with 2 VO daggers

Or Spriggan daggers. U can get one by doin a quest in bangkorai.
Wayshrine "the old tower" in the southeast.
Then head follow the road to the east until u see a npc named scarab or somethin.
After doin two quests for him u get a spriggan dagger with crit trait. Not ideal but do that on a lot of chars and u have enough daggers to use.

This right here is great info thank you.

Youre Welcome

Izaki

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Spriggan, simply cause of more pen, though be aware that vMA bosses have different armor and spell resists, they were not normalized like the rest of the game, some of them only have around 10k resists, meaning if you have a way to apply major fracture or breach, you can actually max out the pen with just sharpened and that.

Now as a stam temp/sorc, I am not aware of a way for you do apply that debuff so spriggan plus power of the light and sharpened will get you close to that, if not more.

No. Spriggan doesn't have any crit bonuses. And 6% crit from NMG makes a pretty big difference. You don't need too much penetration and sharpened + NMG is more than enough. You're fighting mobs with barely 9k resists in vMA.

Erock25

Spriggan still wins because your penetration bonus is always active instead of needing to crit the enemy first.

clv

Stop recommending Spriggans to people in PvE smh

Do the math on total DPS boosts from NMG's crit vs the roughly 1.5K extra pen from Sprig and you'll see why it's a trashbag set in any circumstance

Lukums1

clv wrote: »

Stop recommending Spriggans to people in PvE smh

Do the math on total DPS boosts from NMG's crit vs the roughly 1.5K extra pen from Sprig and you'll see why it's a trashbag set in any circumstance

I think you need to start doing some research my little friend.

If you run Spriggan and you're khajit you'll be obtaining higher numbers.

Extra STAM and pen on Khajit is amazing.

This is NOT true however on red guard.

SienneYviete

Lukums1 wrote: »

clv wrote: »

Stop recommending Spriggans to people in PvE smh

Do the math on total DPS boosts from NMG's crit vs the roughly 1.5K extra pen from Sprig and you'll see why it's a trashbag set in any circumstance

I think you need to start doing some research my little friend.

If you run Spriggan and you're khajit you'll be obtaining higher numbers.

Extra STAM and pen on Khajit is amazing.

This is NOT true however on red guard.

But clv is right tho

Gilliamtherogue

Wonder why all the top scores for vMA run NMG over Spriggan's then... Must just be overlooked, right?

ryanborror

threefarms wrote: »

Assume using 5 VO, and either Velidreth or Kra'gh. Which 5 piece set between NMG and spriggan would pull more damage for the stamina Templar/sorcerer?

Nightmothers gaze. I believe I just answered this elsewhere but when in doubt, follow jace. And gill of course.

caperon

I was running 5 spriggan + 5 vo + 2 kragh with the precise daggers you get from the quest and my top score was 570k. I switched to 5 viper with sharpened daggers (named drop in fungal) and jumped to 579.8k.

So... No NMG or Spriggan, viper all the way xD

DannyLV702

What's the next best option for someone without VO? I just don't know enough people to be able to grind VO any time soon

melek-taus

I was wondering the same thing. What is a good build without VO.

ATM I am using 5x HDR, 3x Agility, 2x Veli and NMG weapons (all gear is gold except jewerly) but it feels rather slow. might be my rotation as I'm new to VMA.

threefarms

Without VO, there is no build.

threefarms

caperon wrote: »

I was running 5 spriggan + 5 vo + 2 kragh with the precise daggers you get from the quest and my top score was 570k. I switched to 5 viper with sharpened daggers (named drop in fungal) and jumped to 579.8k.

So... No NMG or Spriggan, viper all the way xD

Not to end your parade, but the score difference was mostly effected due to the sharpened trait.

Vythri

Without VO, couldn't you just run 5 NM and 5 Spriggan?

Kutsuu

Vythri wrote: »

Without VO, couldn't you just run 5 NM and 5 Spriggan?

You'd be vastly overpenetrating most targets in vMA. Only 3 of the bosses have 18k armor, all the other bosses and trash have 9-12k.

Kutsuu

I'd probably want to try 5NMG+5Toothrow as a sorc since crit surge supplies brutality and you don't need to use weapon crit pots.

DannyLV702

threefarms wrote: »

Without VO, there is no build.

Don't you dare kill my hopes and dreams!!

threefarms

If I didn't have VO, I'd probably go Leviathan in its place.

Bandit1215

TLDR; with NMG you might have a little less penetration, but it requires less farming and offers more crit. Crit = win in pve.

I use 5 VO 5 NMG 2 VELI as a Stamsorc and for a good reason. Since I don't have major fracture, I use NMG sharpened daggers so I get ~8k physical pen and get a botload of critical with NMG and double daggers. To me, this is a more optimal setup than 5 VO 5 spriggan because how likely are you to get all divines gear and two sharpened daggers? Not likely for VO, and not much better odds for spriggan.

threefarms wrote: »

Assume using 5 VO, and either Velidreth or Kra'gh. Which 5 piece set between NMG and spriggan would pull more damage for the stamina Templar/sorcerer?

Bandit1215

Kutsuu wrote: »

I'd probably want to try 5NMG+5Toothrow as a sorc since crit surge supplies brutality and you don't need to use weapon crit pots.

Or do what I do and slot expert hunter on my dw bar for extra crit. You don't need to waste a 5 piece on toothrow.

Kutsuu

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

I'd probably want to try 5NMG+5Toothrow as a sorc since crit surge supplies brutality and you don't need to use weapon crit pots.

Or do what I do and slot expert hunter on my dw bar for extra crit. You don't need to waste a 5 piece on toothrow.

Yeah absolutely if you have a slot for it.

caperon

threefarms wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

I was running 5 spriggan + 5 vo + 2 kragh with the precise daggers you get from the quest and my top score was 570k. I switched to 5 viper with sharpened daggers (named drop in fungal) and jumped to 579.8k.

So... No NMG or Spriggan, viper all the way xD

Not to end your parade, but the score difference was mostly effected due to the sharpened trait.

Im not sure, i have 1160 more pen with this build but 1.2k less stamina, 154 less weapon dmg and 0.7% less crit, but viper works really well in vma, where you kill 1 mob and run to the next spawn, so you have 2 or 3 seconds to "recharge" viper proc.

Shader_Shibes

caperon wrote: »

threefarms wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

I was running 5 spriggan + 5 vo + 2 kragh with the precise daggers you get from the quest and my top score was 570k. I switched to 5 viper with sharpened daggers (named drop in fungal) and jumped to 579.8k.

So... No NMG or Spriggan, viper all the way xD

Not to end your parade, but the score difference was mostly effected due to the sharpened trait.

Im not sure, i have 1160 more pen with this build but 1.2k less stamina, 154 less weapon dmg and 0.7% less crit, but viper works really well in vma, where you kill 1 mob and run to the next spawn, so you have 2 or 3 seconds to "recharge" viper proc.

Yeh, burst damage is important in vma, viper, red mountain, velidreth etc are extremely good in there.

notimetocare

Vythri wrote: »

Without VO, couldn't you just run 5 NM and 5 Spriggan?

If you run 5spriggan (say for discount price jewelry) id use hunding or tbs with it. Too much armor pen otherwise