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World first 600,000 Veteran Maelstrom Arena - with a full run video
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MLRPZ✭✭✭✭✭The only people that get angry by seeing that are just the one not able to perform that well.
GZ to streak, amazing job !Edited by MLRPZ on November 16, 2016 7:25PMAD // Marc the Epic Goat // Templar // AR50
EP // The Goatfather // Templar // AR44
AD // Unforgoatable // Sorc // AR33
EP // You Goat Rekt // NB // AR28
EP // Bill Goats // Swarden // AR28
AD // Goat Ya // NB // AR24
AD // Unforgoatten // StamDK // AR 21
DC // Egoatcentric // Stamsorc // AR16
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✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »
People who use cheat engine get banned there is no what if anymore, anyway all the stats are there, how hard attacks are hitting, so what are you questioning?KingYogi415 wrote: »
Don't be ignorant nowKingYogi415 wrote: »truly amazing,
But why wouldn't the person not show their character sheet before the first portal.
it would prove no CE boosting was involved and help claim a well deserved victory!
Cheers!
I see blind trust as ignorance. And I don't mean to questing this person. I'm just wondering if there are steps top PC players take to prove their legitimacy.
Well slightly raising stats wouldn't be noticed by ZOS.
Even on console people buy pro controllers and figure out how to macro. I know console streamers who will show their basic controller just to prove they no chance of using macros. People see something so perfect they assume it a hack.
I'm just suggesting that PC players hop into stats right when they finish a score run. Easy, peasy.
I hope you're not referring to the Xbox One elite controller because that doesn't allow you to use macros. You can just remap the buttons which is perfectly fine. The video should be enough to prove there was no CE involved. You say people assume it's a hack when they see something so perfect yet you are doing the exact same thing.
People don't have to show there stats after a run to satisfy other people and prove they didn't cheat. If people wanna call someone out for cheating with no evidence then they are wasting their time and just make themselves look bad.0 -
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✭Well done!
People who use cheat engine get banned there is no what if anymore, anyway all the stats are there, how hard attacks are hitting, so what are you questioning?KingYogi415 wrote: »
Don't be ignorant nowKingYogi415 wrote: »truly amazing,
But why wouldn't the person not show their character sheet before the first portal.
it would prove no CE boosting was involved and help claim a well deserved victory!
Cheers!
I see blind trust as ignorance. And I don't mean to questing this person. I'm just wondering if there are steps top PC players take to prove their legitimacy.
That's actually not true. There are workarounds to bypass CE detection.2 -
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What are you talking about *slightly* increasing stats, that's not how it works if you use the program at all it's going to be detected by the security and you'll be banned, you can't just come in here thinking if a player used lower stats they would fly under the radar, because do you realise how much money would have to be put in to finding that spot of being unnoticed, the amount of accounts that you would have be banned just to figure out a very marginal increase of stats to be unnoticed, even so in the end that is not what gets you caught for using a program, it's going to be the security that gets you caught. Don't you think by now that they have upgraded. By all means though, give a tryKingYogi415 wrote: »
People who use cheat engine get banned there is no what if anymore, anyway all the stats are there, how hard attacks are hitting, so what are you questioning?KingYogi415 wrote: »
Don't be ignorant nowKingYogi415 wrote: »truly amazing,
But why wouldn't the person not show their character sheet before the first portal.
it would prove no CE boosting was involved and help claim a well deserved victory!
Cheers!
I see blind trust as ignorance. And I don't mean to questing this person. I'm just wondering if there are steps top PC players take to prove their legitimacy.
Well slightly raising stats wouldn't be noticed by ZOS.
Even on console people buy pro controllers and figure out how to macro. I know console streamers who will show their basic controller just to prove they no chance of using macros. People see something so perfect they assume it a hack.
I'm just suggesting that PC players hop into stats right when they finish a score run. Easy, peasy.
Don't come in here with that kind of nonsense of bringing cheat engine into the mix to discredit something someone has worked on -- regardless of Jace being a friend, it's just ignorant thinking
I live in a part of the US that's kind of on fire right now. There are SEVERAL videos on youtube claiming the fire isn't real and that my area doesn't actually exist because it's a coverup. Their evidence is that they "know no one from there and anyone who says they are from there are lying." I bring this up because, just like the conspirators, people playing this game can't let what is be what is. That's fine to a certain point but when the FULL VIDEO is displayed for anyone to see, the score backs it, and the BUILD MATH backs the numbers and the only reason someone has to believe in illegitimacy is because they were not allowed to see a stat sheet it shows an extreme lack of pragmatic thought and unsettling amounts of dissociation.
All that being said I truly hope this isn't the case and that SOMEONE'S SUPER JELLY XD
I wanna hug you man lol. I'm almost certain that the person you are replying to is a troll. If he's not then I have to shake my head at humanity once again =\They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
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✭✭✭✭✭For people questioning the validity of the run, you are wasting your time. I run the exact same build as jace, and my damage numbers per skill are equivalent. He is just that good and knows this arena better than the devs. He is not hitting any harder than the rest of us, he just simply never misses a buff/DOT/or spawn. This run is essentially perfect. This has been a long time coming. If you go to his youtube page, he has tons of full runs posted and many of them show the build and loadout.
I think the most impressive part of the run are what he did on the Stage 2 boss. He also didnt let the Stage 1 boss port and he killed the Stage 8 boss in one go as well. You can tell how many times he has run this because if you notice, he rarely actually finishes anything. He knows exactly when to stop attacking and moves on, trusting his DOTs to finish things off.
TLDR: He doesnt cheat; he is just better than you.
Edit: For what it's worth, I ran a lot of 4-man stuff and trials with Jace back in the day. He really is that good.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on November 16, 2016 9:52PM6 -
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Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was Fengrush
Very impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.5 -
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Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.
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Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.
You realize that you have it backwards, right? Proc sets are almost non-existent in PVE with the exception of monster sets. The meta is to boost your stats and let your rotation do your damage. If you want to talk about a place where people are carried by their gear, step into the proc-fest nightmare that is cyrodiil.
Is Starm Sorc arguably the most optimal class combo for VMA? Yeah probably. But dont act like Velidreth is the reason that he can run it this fast. He also has 590K+ videos his magic sorc. Veli is handi, but not the sole reason he clears in 30 minutes.0 -
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These sets have been used for quite awhile in VMA, it's the same set ups that jace and andys made the meta in there by flooding out videos day 1 when they came out which is this posted what 3 months ago?
Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6_VmTphSc
I wouldn't say it's gear sets that is carrying people, these 2 guys have been living in VMA for at least a year they it competitively, the gear changes help and allow them to play at a better pace, so wouldn't it be the players that get crunched by gear caps and cp caps? You throw someone in VMA with the same gear set up with half the practice, I doubt they will even break a 580k score it really shows in videos how much it comes down to the player in the end, because this https://esoleaderboards.com/maelstrom.php shows other stories than what you are saying, between both servers there is barely anyone, I agree sets and changes help the players but in the end it still comes down to skill, between Andy and Jace I don't think I have ever seen anyone else play with as much precision, trials and stuff is fun to watch, but it really shows in maelstrom of how they play and think, you can go ahead and call it proc sets. I just dont see the argument where these sets are carrying half the player base when such a minimal amount of people even have comparable scores
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Foxic✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.
You realize that you have it backwards, right? Proc sets are almost non-existent in PVE with the exception of monster sets. The meta is to boost your stats and let your rotation do your damage. If you want to talk about a place where people are carried by their gear, step into the proc-fest nightmare that is cyrodiil.
Is Starm Sorc arguably the most optimal class combo for VMA? Yeah probably. But dont act like Velidreth is the reason that he can run it this fast. He also has 590K+ videos his magic sorc. Veli is handi, but not the sole reason he clears in 30 minutes.
I would argue that burning spellweave and scathing type sets are proc sets, and they are quite prevalent in pveMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.
it couldn't be done because of the multiple changes the last patch brought, not only the introduction of proc sets. But even then, how much impact the setup has means little to nothing to the achievment, since anyone is able to reproduce it by itself. Here we are praising jace's skill and dedication, not his build. 600k is nothing but a milestone, no one cares about 600 itself but how much better is jace to the rest of us, nad gear has hardly anything to do with it.
On your point on how pve is carried by their gear, I fail to understand how is different on pvp? Thinking that only on pvp 'action and reaction' is important and determines succesfulness is plain wrong.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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These sets have been used for quite awhile in VMA, it's the same set ups that jace and andys made the meta in there by flooding out videos day 1 when they came out which is this posted what 3 months ago?
Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6_VmTphSc
I wouldn't say it's gear sets that is carrying people, these 2 guys have been living in VMA for at least a year they it competitively, the gear changes help and allow them to play at a better pace, so wouldn't it be the players that get crunched by gear caps and cp caps? You throw someone in VMA with the same gear set up with half the practice, I doubt they will even break a 580k score it really shows in videos how much it comes down to the player in the end, because this https://esoleaderboards.com/maelstrom.php shows other stories than what you are saying, between both servers there is barely anyone, I agree sets and changes help the players but in the end it still comes down to skill, between Andy and Jace I don't think I have ever seen anyone else play with as much precision, trials and stuff is fun to watch, but it really shows in maelstrom of how they play and think, you can go ahead and call it proc sets. I just dont see the argument where these sets are carrying half the player base when such a minimal amount of people even have comparable scores
Not trying to discredit Jace or Andy at all because I fully understand how good their scores are. But the reason you don't see more people competing with them is because I can count on one hand the people in eso who truly care about maelstrom scores.
The competitive maelstrom crowd is probably the smallest community in the gameMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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Lord-Gibson✭✭Just want to congratulate you on such an awesome achievement. You deserve it as hard as you work for it. Usually if I am looking for information regarding anything maelstrom; I look to your advice first. You seem to know it rather well and your info on such has helped me thus far. With that being said though I have yet to beat the Vmsa and it is a L2P issue I'm sure and nothing to do with my build because anywhere else it destroys.
Keep up the good work bro and may your adventures bring you wealth in riches and wealth in knowledge.Scott D. Gibson
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Lord-Gibson✭✭Lord-Gibson wrote: »Just want to congratulate you on such an awesome achievement. You deserve it as hard as you work for it. Usually if I am looking for information regarding anything maelstrom; I look to your advice first. You seem to know it rather well and your info on such has helped me thus far. With that being said though I have yet to beat the Vmsa and it is a L2P issue I'm sure and nothing to do with my build because anywhere else it destroys.
Keep up the good work bro and may your adventures bring you wealth in riches and wealth in knowledge.
I realized I congratulated wrong person on the 600k run. It is actually Streak whom this post concerns.Scott D. Gibson
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✭✭✭✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.
You realize that you have it backwards, right? Proc sets are almost non-existent in PVE with the exception of monster sets. The meta is to boost your stats and let your rotation do your damage. If you want to talk about a place where people are carried by their gear, step into the proc-fest nightmare that is cyrodiil.
Is Starm Sorc arguably the most optimal class combo for VMA? Yeah probably. But dont act like Velidreth is the reason that he can run it this fast. He also has 590K+ videos his magic sorc. Veli is handi, but not the sole reason he clears in 30 minutes.
I would argue that burning spellweave and scathing type sets are proc sets, and they are quite prevalent in pve
Was waiting for someone to make that comment. It's hard to call scathing a prevalent any longer. BSW is technically a proc set in the sense that something must happened for a buff to trigger, but all its doing is boosting stats. Not to mention the BSW is only marginally better than TBS on some builds. That alone doesent kill anything. You could have a million spell damage, but nothing is going to die just because of that. This is not even close to the same thing as something like Viper or Red Mountain where the proc itself can kill something. Nobody runs Viper or Red Mountain in PVE, and these sets have virtually ruined Cyro IMO.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on November 18, 2016 8:14PM0 -
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✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »For people questioning the validity of the run, you are wasting your time. I run the exact same build as jace, and my damage numbers per skill are equivalent. He is just that good and knows this arena better than the devs. He is not hitting any harder than the rest of us, he just simply never misses a buff/DOT/or spawn. This run is essentially perfect. This has been a long time coming. If you go to his youtube page, he has tons of full runs posted and many of them show the build and loadout.
I think the most impressive part of the run are what he did on the Stage 2 boss. He also didnt let the Stage 1 boss port and he killed the Stage 8 boss in one go as well. You can tell how many times he has run this because if you notice, he rarely actually finishes anything. He knows exactly when to stop attacking and moves on, trusting his DOTs to finish things off.
TLDR: He doesnt cheat; he is just better than you.
Edit: For what it's worth, I ran a lot of 4-man stuff and trials with Jace back in the day. He really is that good.
Agree. This is an incredible run.
People who don't run VMA can't fully appreciate this video. I have run VMA a lot in the past. I can spot all the nuances of the strategy used in this video, and they absolutely blow my mind. I've been keeping current on all of their highscore videos, and watching them has helped me to improve my time significantly.0 -
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This is also a bland way of thinking, of course people are compeititve at least 80% of people who go into maelstrom each week are trying to get new scores, they might not be as dedicated and think about it as much as Jace and Andy but there are more people than you think just because they are not top 3 doesn't discredit their efforts, I do not do VMA anymore because no need for it, but last week when I went in there I was trying to get nice scores for whatever reason, reset on a death and thought to myself I don't need to do that so I stopped running it.TotallyNotVos wrote: »
These sets have been used for quite awhile in VMA, it's the same set ups that jace and andys made the meta in there by flooding out videos day 1 when they came out which is this posted what 3 months ago?
Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6_VmTphSc
I wouldn't say it's gear sets that is carrying people, these 2 guys have been living in VMA for at least a year they it competitively, the gear changes help and allow them to play at a better pace, so wouldn't it be the players that get crunched by gear caps and cp caps? You throw someone in VMA with the same gear set up with half the practice, I doubt they will even break a 580k score it really shows in videos how much it comes down to the player in the end, because this https://esoleaderboards.com/maelstrom.php shows other stories than what you are saying, between both servers there is barely anyone, I agree sets and changes help the players but in the end it still comes down to skill, between Andy and Jace I don't think I have ever seen anyone else play with as much precision, trials and stuff is fun to watch, but it really shows in maelstrom of how they play and think, you can go ahead and call it proc sets. I just dont see the argument where these sets are carrying half the player base when such a minimal amount of people even have comparable scores
Not trying to discredit Jace or Andy at all because I fully understand how good their scores are. But the reason you don't see more people competing with them is because I can count on one hand the people in eso who truly care about maelstrom scores.
The competitive maelstrom crowd is probably the smallest community in the game
Remember folks, just because you are not interested doesn't mean everyone around you isn't
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This is also a bland way of thinking, of course people are compeititve at least 80% of people who go into maelstrom each week are trying to get new scores, they might not be as dedicated and think about it as much as Jace and Andy but there are more people than you think just because they are not top 3 doesn't discredit their efforts, I do not do VMA anymore because no need for it, but last week when I went in there I was trying to get nice scores for whatever reason, reset on a death and thought to myself I don't need to do that so I stopped running it.TotallyNotVos wrote: »
These sets have been used for quite awhile in VMA, it's the same set ups that jace and andys made the meta in there by flooding out videos day 1 when they came out which is this posted what 3 months ago?
Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6_VmTphSc
I wouldn't say it's gear sets that is carrying people, these 2 guys have been living in VMA for at least a year they it competitively, the gear changes help and allow them to play at a better pace, so wouldn't it be the players that get crunched by gear caps and cp caps? You throw someone in VMA with the same gear set up with half the practice, I doubt they will even break a 580k score it really shows in videos how much it comes down to the player in the end, because this https://esoleaderboards.com/maelstrom.php shows other stories than what you are saying, between both servers there is barely anyone, I agree sets and changes help the players but in the end it still comes down to skill, between Andy and Jace I don't think I have ever seen anyone else play with as much precision, trials and stuff is fun to watch, but it really shows in maelstrom of how they play and think, you can go ahead and call it proc sets. I just dont see the argument where these sets are carrying half the player base when such a minimal amount of people even have comparable scores
Not trying to discredit Jace or Andy at all because I fully understand how good their scores are. But the reason you don't see more people competing with them is because I can count on one hand the people in eso who truly care about maelstrom scores.
The competitive maelstrom crowd is probably the smallest community in the game
Remember folks, just because you are not interested doesn't mean everyone around you isn't
and that sadly cuz there is no actual reason...just be there for the sake of it... I for one tried...did but then gave up since no point...sry but this is true
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What is the point of being #1 at anything on this game, whether it is trials or cyrodill?xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »
This is also a bland way of thinking, of course people are compeititve at least 80% of people who go into maelstrom each week are trying to get new scores, they might not be as dedicated and think about it as much as Jace and Andy but there are more people than you think just because they are not top 3 doesn't discredit their efforts, I do not do VMA anymore because no need for it, but last week when I went in there I was trying to get nice scores for whatever reason, reset on a death and thought to myself I don't need to do that so I stopped running it.TotallyNotVos wrote: »
These sets have been used for quite awhile in VMA, it's the same set ups that jace and andys made the meta in there by flooding out videos day 1 when they came out which is this posted what 3 months ago?
Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6_VmTphSc
I wouldn't say it's gear sets that is carrying people, these 2 guys have been living in VMA for at least a year they it competitively, the gear changes help and allow them to play at a better pace, so wouldn't it be the players that get crunched by gear caps and cp caps? You throw someone in VMA with the same gear set up with half the practice, I doubt they will even break a 580k score it really shows in videos how much it comes down to the player in the end, because this https://esoleaderboards.com/maelstrom.php shows other stories than what you are saying, between both servers there is barely anyone, I agree sets and changes help the players but in the end it still comes down to skill, between Andy and Jace I don't think I have ever seen anyone else play with as much precision, trials and stuff is fun to watch, but it really shows in maelstrom of how they play and think, you can go ahead and call it proc sets. I just dont see the argument where these sets are carrying half the player base when such a minimal amount of people even have comparable scores
Not trying to discredit Jace or Andy at all because I fully understand how good their scores are. But the reason you don't see more people competing with them is because I can count on one hand the people in eso who truly care about maelstrom scores.
The competitive maelstrom crowd is probably the smallest community in the game
Remember folks, just because you are not interested doesn't mean everyone around you isn't
and that sadly cuz there is no actual reason...just be there for the sake of it... I for one tried...did but then gave up since no point...sry but this is true
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Foxic✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »TotallyNotVos wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.
You realize that you have it backwards, right? Proc sets are almost non-existent in PVE with the exception of monster sets. The meta is to boost your stats and let your rotation do your damage. If you want to talk about a place where people are carried by their gear, step into the proc-fest nightmare that is cyrodiil.
Is Starm Sorc arguably the most optimal class combo for VMA? Yeah probably. But dont act like Velidreth is the reason that he can run it this fast. He also has 590K+ videos his magic sorc. Veli is handi, but not the sole reason he clears in 30 minutes.
I would argue that burning spellweave and scathing type sets are proc sets, and they are quite prevalent in pve
Was waiting for someone to make that comment. It's hard to call scathing a prevalent any longer. BSW is technically a proc set in the sense that something must happened for a buff to trigger, but all its doing is boosting stats. Not to mention the BSW is only marginally better than TBS on some builds. That alone doesent kill anything. You could have a million spell damage, but nothing is going to die just because of that. This is not even close to the same thing as something like Viper or Red Mountain where the proc itself can kill something. Nobody runs Viper or Red Mountain in PVE, and these sets have virtually ruined Cyro IMO.
Even with scathing crossed off there's still gossamer, spell power cure, powerful assault, infallible aether, alkosh, vicious ophidian, etc etc. While they may not be direct damage procs(except alkosh) they still all proc an effect and are widely used in pve. I don't consider direct damage procs to be the only proc setsMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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This is also a bland way of thinking, of course people are compeititve at least 80% of people who go into maelstrom each week are trying to get new scores, they might not be as dedicated and think about it as much as Jace and Andy but there are more people than you think just because they are not top 3 doesn't discredit their efforts, I do not do VMA anymore because no need for it, but last week when I went in there I was trying to get nice scores for whatever reason, reset on a death and thought to myself I don't need to do that so I stopped running it.TotallyNotVos wrote: »
These sets have been used for quite awhile in VMA, it's the same set ups that jace and andys made the meta in there by flooding out videos day 1 when they came out which is this posted what 3 months ago?
Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6_VmTphSc
I wouldn't say it's gear sets that is carrying people, these 2 guys have been living in VMA for at least a year they it competitively, the gear changes help and allow them to play at a better pace, so wouldn't it be the players that get crunched by gear caps and cp caps? You throw someone in VMA with the same gear set up with half the practice, I doubt they will even break a 580k score it really shows in videos how much it comes down to the player in the end, because this https://esoleaderboards.com/maelstrom.php shows other stories than what you are saying, between both servers there is barely anyone, I agree sets and changes help the players but in the end it still comes down to skill, between Andy and Jace I don't think I have ever seen anyone else play with as much precision, trials and stuff is fun to watch, but it really shows in maelstrom of how they play and think, you can go ahead and call it proc sets. I just dont see the argument where these sets are carrying half the player base when such a minimal amount of people even have comparable scores
Not trying to discredit Jace or Andy at all because I fully understand how good their scores are. But the reason you don't see more people competing with them is because I can count on one hand the people in eso who truly care about maelstrom scores.
The competitive maelstrom crowd is probably the smallest community in the game
Remember folks, just because you are not interested doesn't mean everyone around you isn't
I didn't say no-one was interested. I was specifically responding to your point about comparable scores. I just meant to say that there aren't many people competing for those top spots, as compared to ap or group trial leaderboardsMechanically Challenged, PCNA competitive raid guild
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578.6 (temp)IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »Congratulations, that's really impressive! Great work!
....But still more impressed with console players getting really high scores since they don't have all those add-ons telling you when to do what
What's the highest score on our leaderboards? Around 580k right? Blackmore am I right?
Gonna be a while till we get a 600k score I think.
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Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.
You realize that you have it backwards, right? Proc sets are almost non-existent in PVE with the exception of monster sets. The meta is to boost your stats and let your rotation do your damage. If you want to talk about a place where people are carried by their gear, step into the proc-fest nightmare that is cyrodiil.
Is Starm Sorc arguably the most optimal class combo for VMA? Yeah probably. But dont act like Velidreth is the reason that he can run it this fast. He also has 590K+ videos his magic sorc. Veli is handi, but not the sole reason he clears in 30 minutes.
I know that, yes. My point as far as gear is concerned is that PvE is different in that nothing truly ruins the game there aside from sets that don't work as intended (that werewolf one and previous sets to be broken). BiS is BiS, and you shouldn't be held to any standard other than not abusing broken sets because the only goal is to maximize DPS which has no negative effect on any other player.
As for PvP I feel that your gear should add flavor in stats or various other procs, not allow your light attack to hit someone for 12k damage. That is just pure insanity, and definitely letting your gear carry you. PvP with a lack of counter play is not skillful PvP.
These sets have been used for quite awhile in VMA, it's the same set ups that jace and andys made the meta in there by flooding out videos day 1 when they came out which is this posted what 3 months ago?
Wait, they created the stam sorc meta? I thought that was FengrushVery impressive, especially the little things he does to save time.She's a Stamsorc, one of the "Meta" classes and she's wearing a Proc Set. I don't know if I should be bitter or just indifferent.
I bet you could do it equally good if you were a stam sorc with proc sets. Because the armor is all it takes to do it.
Let's really be honest here. It's not about if someone could do it equally well using the same sets/class. The comment was about how much of a factor the sets/class played, and I think it's fair to say it played a larger part than their friends want to admit. Not trying to diminish the achievement at all, but maybe there's a reason no one achieved 600k score before patch/after patch without them. Every player in PvE is carried by their gear, that is literally why you run the best gear setup possible and not just whatever you want. If this is the best setup then for competitive PvE they should be obligated to wear that set. "The sets did the damage for them" isn't a valid reason to dislike a PvE build because every set does the damage for you in this area of the game. Your overload isn't going to hit harder because you pressed the button harder or faster than anyone else, it's going to hit harder because the gear you wear increases its damage. If proc sets add more overall damage than you gain from straight damage boosts then it is simply better to wear.
People that have an issue with such a thing should contain it to PvP only where action and reaction should have a place in combat and the majority of the damage should come from player input.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6_VmTphSc
I wouldn't say it's gear sets that is carrying people, these 2 guys have been living in VMA for at least a year they it competitively, the gear changes help and allow them to play at a better pace, so wouldn't it be the players that get crunched by gear caps and cp caps? You throw someone in VMA with the same gear set up with half the practice, I doubt they will even break a 580k score it really shows in videos how much it comes down to the player in the end, because this https://esoleaderboards.com/maelstrom.php shows other stories than what you are saying, between both servers there is barely anyone, I agree sets and changes help the players but in the end it still comes down to skill, between Andy and Jace I don't think I have ever seen anyone else play with as much precision, trials and stuff is fun to watch, but it really shows in maelstrom of how they play and think, you can go ahead and call it proc sets. I just dont see the argument where these sets are carrying half the player base when such a minimal amount of people even have comparable scores
They're definitely good at what they do and I don't dispute that. A jump in score at this point in the game is usually accompanied by something, though. That is all I mean. Honestly I admit to being ignorant of hardcore PvE things these days, but that is general common sense. Either the trial was changed in a certain way, they had an epiphany and tried something new, or they switched armor/skills/classes. Maybe I rushed to say gear since I was just mostly going along with what was being said in the thread. It could be any of those I suppose.
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