I will never do vma again

Sarielis

the Damage is to crazy and the rng is bullcrap

Foxic

Ill agree with you on the rng. A couple hundred runs and still no sharpened inferno.

However the difficulty is not too hard, its fitting for the potential rewards and becomes very easy with a high damage build/remembering spawns

Tryxus

Currently attempting it on my Mag DK, so I have Stormproof on smth other than "easy-mode" MagBlade.

Reached final stage atm, but taking a break (dinner + guild event)

It feels like rediscovering vMSA all over again

I just hope I get smth good for my efforts, but I doubt it...

danno8

Hahaha!

Yah I finished vMSA on my Templar a couple months back and have never gone back. I did get a Flame Staff for my efforts although it wasn't sharpened.

I just wanted the "There, I did it" accomplishment.

Unless you are willing to do it hundreds of times to get the weapon you want, it's is certainly not something you want to do on a casual basis. It's too boring/frustrating/random for anything but a total commitment to get better and better.

MidknightWolf

Sarielis wrote: »

the Damage is to crazy and the rng is bullcrap

I wish they would Nerf VMA to the point where it becomes challenging but fun. Not a headache through and through. Im normally not a NERF IT guy but damn. Its just not fun to the point I dont even play it.

Buffler

MidknightWolf wrote: »

Sarielis wrote: »

the Damage is to crazy and the rng is bullcrap

I wish they would Nerf VMA to the point where it becomes challenging but fun. Not a headache through and through. Im normally not a NERF IT guy but damn. Its just not fun to the point I dont even play it.

There are some ppl that dont find it challenging anymore

Tryxus

Buffler wrote: »

MidknightWolf wrote: »

Sarielis wrote: »

the Damage is to crazy and the rng is bullcrap

I wish they would Nerf VMA to the point where it becomes challenging but fun. Not a headache through and through. Im normally not a NERF IT guy but damn. Its just not fun to the point I dont even play it.

There are some ppl that dont find it challenging anymore

The ones that ran it 500+ times and still didn't get the weapon they want

ValkynSketha

Just do it with stam/mag sorc for first time, then if you want a challenge do it with other classes.

Meld777

MidknightWolf wrote: »

Sarielis wrote: »

the Damage is to crazy and the rng is bullcrap

I wish they would Nerf VMA to the point where it becomes challenging but fun. Not a headache through and through. Im normally not a NERF IT guy but damn. Its just not fun to the point I dont even play it.

If you continue running it, I promise you that 50 runs in you will be wondering how you even died in that arena. At least for me that was the moment where 95% of runs turned flawless. However, you might still rarely die to bugs or lags.

400 runs in, there will be no bug or lag that will kill you except a straight disconnect/crash. Even 5 second freezes won't be a problem because you won't even have to look at the screen. Your fingers will just know what to do. All you need to know is what round it is. You don't actually have to see the screen most of the time.

Rawst

I'm trying it for the first time and it's tough, yeah. Just saw a vid where the guy was running to the spawn points before the portals could even appear. I'm having a hard time locating them before they're visible...
He completed the arena in like 37 mins without a death or sigil. At first I thought he was in normal mode, cos the bosses melted like butter. Crazy.

I'm trying with a magplar, but I have a magsorc too, would it be easier with the sorc?

SickDuck

Buffler wrote: »

MidknightWolf wrote: »

Sarielis wrote: »

the Damage is to crazy and the rng is bullcrap

I wish they would Nerf VMA to the point where it becomes challenging but fun. Not a headache through and through. Im normally not a NERF IT guy but damn. Its just not fun to the point I dont even play it.

There are some ppl that dont find it challenging anymore

Do they find it fun?

Grabmoore

Sorcs are easymode there, yes.
Plus, magplars are expensive! If you want good dps and fast runs, you need spellpower pots. One of the reasons I will switch from Templar to sth else after I get my flawless.

Skinzz

Its a breeze with my stamblade + stamplar.

Lord_Eomer

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Ill agree with you on the rng. A couple hundred runs and still no sharpened inferno.

However the difficulty is not too hard, its fitting for the potential rewards and becomes very easy with a high damage build/remembering spawns

Difficulty is crazy, i remeber my couple of first runs.. its getting damage from everywhere. Design is pretty much senseless..

I am no longer wasting time on this anymore, poor loot and time wasting..

I remeber scratching my head due to VMA, its headache anyway!

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Awesome..in other news I have never finished it on Veteran and only ever finished it once on normal

Beardimus

I'm planning on quitting after completing VMSA. on the last boss for the last few weeks now.

It's so hard, it id hate them to Nerf it now. I know I can do it, just need to get a perfect run. BUT once done I doubt ill come back.

That said Normal took me 50 soul gems first time and now I can clear in 30 mins. So who knows, maybe ill try once more.

It feels impossible and random, but when you work the mechanics out and all that you are doing wrong you see most of it is avoidable. But still that last boss, it feels you cant be a second late or miss a buff or a option or any drop in AOE or stand a metre wrong. It's so frustrating.

But I'm hungry for it.

Big respect to the flawless conquerers tho.

Beardimus

For those that find it easy, ZOS should add a hard mode scroll like the new Vets. I would NEVER use one tho dang

Dymence

Beardimus wrote: »

I'm planning on quitting after completing VMSA. on the last boss for the last few weeks now.

It's so hard, it id hate them to Nerf it now. I know I can do it, just need to get a perfect run. BUT once done I doubt ill come back.

That said Normal took me 50 soul gems first time and now I can clear in 30 mins. So who knows, maybe ill try once more.

It feels impossible and random, but when you work the mechanics out and all that you are doing wrong you see most of it is avoidable. But still that last boss, it feels you cant be a second late or miss a buff or a option or any drop in AOE or stand a metre wrong. It's so frustrating.

But I'm hungry for it.

Big respect to the flawless conquerers tho.

I think you have a great mindset for VMA, but I wonder, how do you die 50 times in normal? I recall a video of a lvl 3 nightblade naked with 1 skill clearing it

Junipus

Meld777 wrote: »

MidknightWolf wrote: »

Sarielis wrote: »

the Damage is to crazy and the rng is bullcrap

I wish they would Nerf VMA to the point where it becomes challenging but fun. Not a headache through and through. Im normally not a NERF IT guy but damn. Its just not fun to the point I dont even play it.

If you continue running it, I promise you that 50 runs in you will be wondering how you even died in that arena. At least for me that was the moment where 95% of runs turned flawless. However, you might still rarely die to bugs or lags.

400 runs in, there will be no bug or lag that will kill you except a straight disconnect/crash. Even 5 second freezes won't be a problem because you won't even have to look at the screen. Your fingers will just know what to do. All you need to know is what round it is. You don't actually have to see the screen most of the time.

^This.

Almost got flawless after around 40 runs and now know the spawn points for most of the important adds and mini-bosses and where to position myself. Took ages to get to that point, hundreds of thousands of gold in pots and tens of thousands in repair costs but now if I focus and keep my nerve can do the arena in under 55 minutes with only 1-3 deaths.

I expect by the end of the event to be able to do flawless but it takes time, patience and practice and knowledge of one's class and abilities. I would also suggest a magicka class for learning since it's more forgiving when you make mistakes.

This is all without animation canceling for those who believe it's the key to success.

DRXHarbinger

SickDuck wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

MidknightWolf wrote: »

Sarielis wrote: »

the Damage is to crazy and the rng is bullcrap

I wish they would Nerf VMA to the point where it becomes challenging but fun. Not a headache through and through. Im normally not a NERF IT guy but damn. Its just not fun to the point I dont even play it.

There are some ppl that dont find it challenging anymore

Do they find it fun?

No.

Integral1900

Slogged through it on normal in a couple of hours, frustrating to the point of madness.

Finished it, loot was just vendor trash, little bit of gold and surprisingly little xp. No plans to go back or even attempt vet. Just can't be bothered, never thought I'd say that about something in this game.

Shad0wfire99

I agree that the "rng" is garbage. However, it's not as difficult as all the horror stories would have you believe. It's hard the first time through, like any first run should be.

CultOfMMO

Integral1900 wrote: »

Slogged through it on normal in a couple of hours, frustrating to the point of madness.

Finished it, loot was just vendor trash, little bit of gold and surprisingly little xp. No plans to go back or even attempt vet. Just can't be bothered, never thought I'd say that about something in this game.

were you playing as a tank or healer? the arena is meant for damage dealers.

if you're having trouble with nMA, i doubt you can perform competently in any other game content.

normal is literally brainless, if you can't do that in your sleep, you need to reconsider your build.

Integral1900

Up yours you narrow minded little troll

ThePonzzz

I think the biggest issue is how much MORE difficult it is from normal. I am a firm believer they made this game too easy since launch in 2014. I'm one of those people who enjoyed the former difficulty.

I think vMA is just a bit too tough for the casual player. It's too tough for me. I don't find it fun to learn the ropes. I don't think it should be easier though. I think having vMA scale from nMA and then introduce a hMA would be a better way to do things. There are clearly people who can walk through vMA at this point, but there are a larger chunk of people who just can't do it.

leandro.800ub17_ESO

Been trying last boss for many months now. Playing from south america will 300 ping does not help.

Beardimus

Lol @Dymence I'm sure they weren't an idiot like me, or knew the mechanics. I never used to look at death recaps and refused to use guides etc for help, wanted to work it out. So alot of those 50 deaths were me being killed by my own stupid stood in poison / shock / frost

Difference with Vet is, Now I know what im doing, have looked at guides, have gold gear and almost cap CP and my own stupid is still killing me when I dodge roll into lava

Doctordarkspawn

Welcome to the Legions that hate VMA. You ain' alone, bother/sister.

Fun fact, the Legions that hate VMA's sister organization is the Pirates who dont do anything.

Project_Shimel

The drops for The Maelstrom weapons SERIOUSLY need a better system, I could think of three different ways to improve it off the top of my head, how can a game designer not understand that?

Its not like getting a good Vma drop lets you sell it, its all bound, just make it easier to get

Have an interactable board in the lobby that lets you choose whether or not you want to receive a certain weapon/ roll on completion but only if youve already received it.

So if I get a training inferno staff, I can go let the game know that I dont want another training inferno staff.

Or have the rolls that YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR drop a little more often.

Im not asking for a first time sharpened item, or even a fifth time completion sharpened

But when I see the BS RNG that people have, it really makes me wonder why something hasnt been done.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

So funny how every class other than the one people are on is "easy mode." mSorcs are easy, Mageblades are easy, stamboys are easy, blah blah blah.

News flash, once you learn this place like the back of your hand, no class is really that hard. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. The first time you clear is going to suck no matter what class you are on.

I do think that sorcs probably have it the best because of power surge, but nightblades and templars get just as much if not more heals. Sorcs arent wildly easier, they just cost less because you dont need to use Pots. Difficulty is a matter of a very small degree between classes. It's not like some classes are near impossible and others you can do with a blindfold.

bellanca6561n

We all play online games for different reasons and Maelstrom fills a niche.

When I learned it was solo-only I checked it off my to-do list straight away.

The entire point for folks like me is the human interaction. And the game part is simply a vehicle to make those interactions more interesting.

When it's too difficult or not multiplayer these interactions and relationships can go pear shaped in a hurry. Plus those activities often - not always certainly - attract people who don't tend to be as well rounded and interesting...to me at least.

I has bothered me, though, that folks I liked left or went underground because they made vMA a thing.

A friend put it best when he said that features like Maelstrom and hard mode dungeons and trials attract core computer gamers, thus allowing core alternate world online gamers to have an expensively produced, extremely detailed game world that wouldn't exist otherwise.