Undead Dwemer

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Alright I know what your thinking, the Dwemer don't exist anymore save for one by the name of Yagrum Bagarn but here me out for a moment....

That isn't exactly true, you see to put it in more precise terms, Yagram Bagarn is the last "Living" Dwemer, for those who played Morrowind you full well know that the Dwemer Ruins were haunted by the ghosts of Dwemer who died before the race vanished so it does appear that the dead were not apart of the great disappearing act, one Dwemer ghost in particular helped the Nerevarine reforge "Trueflame", But what about the possible existance of Dwemer Vampires or Dwemer Lichs that could possibly still exist somewhere in Tamriel? like the ghosts they are not among the living and therefor should of not been a part of the disappearance, due to this technicality ZoS could actually add Dwemer NPCs into the game without breaking the lore even if these dwemer are not actually alive and are not so much dwemer as they are undead abominations.

MythicEmperor

If they were to add Dwemer, it would be best that they add them as ghosts like they did in Morrowind. This would prevent any future conflict with lore.

Nestor

It will remain to be seen what we get in Clockwork City. ZOS could really flesh out the Dwemer Lore with that content.

As for Liches, the path to that is through Necromancy, so one would have to know if there were any Dwemer Necromancers, if so, then there could be Liches. But, I don't think it is a Disease like that which causes Vampirism. Dwemer could be immune to the disease, although they do catch Corprus. Mannimarco is the only Lich we can talk to, but he is not very friendly.

EleonoraCrendraven

I would love to see some Dwemer. even as ghosts. Always searched the ancient ruins of Morrowind for some scraps of information regarding their lore and race. Would be great to get some new ones

RiddleDiddle

Clock City DLC someone? anyone? HELLO?

JD2013

Clockwork City is only Dwemer inspired. It was built by Sotha Sil.

Publius_Scipio

Well if I am not mistaken no one knows if the dwemer are "dead". Literally the lore says the all vanished, POOF! So no corpses means no undead. I guess you can argue that during the great war there were dwemer casualties so there can be dwemer undead. But pretty much they all vanished into thin air. Maybe they are still alive in another plane of existence?

Doctordarkspawn

Could they flesh out the lore with that DLC? Probs.

Will they? Probably not. The best mysteries are the ones we never get the answers to.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Nestor wrote: »

It will remain to be seen what we get in Clockwork City. ZOS could really flesh out the Dwemer Lore with that content.

As for Liches, the path to that is through Necromancy, so one would have to know if there were any Dwemer Necromancers, if so, then there could be Liches. But, I don't think it is a Disease like that which causes Vampirism. Dwemer could be immune to the disease, although they do catch Corprus. Mannimarco is the only Lich we can talk to, but he is not very friendly.

Vastarie is a Lich and Nerien'th became a Lich by making a deal with Mephala or one of the Daedra, you know whoever the Ebony Blade belongs to, No Necromancy there.

Smasherx74

Dwemer went to one of the moons via teleportation.

Nestor

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vastarie is a Lich and the Dragon priests last I checked don't seem to be Necromancer and they achieved Lichdom, Nerien'th became a Lich by making a deal with Mephala or one of the Daedra, you know whoever the Ebony Blade belongs to, No Necromancy there.

@TX12001rwb17_ESO

Are you sure?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Eyes_of_Azura

And, her husband was a necromancer, so perhaps she became a Lich through him. But all references to both these characters do not seem to say either was a Lich.

Anyway, a Lich is the result of a wizard or mage extending their lifespan to immortality through Necromancy

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Lich

Dragon Priests became Lich's through Necromancy by sucking the life force from their servants.

JKorr

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Well if I am not mistaken no one knows if the dwemer are "dead". Literally the lore says the all vanished, POOF! So no corpses means no undead. I guess you can argue that during the great war there were dwemer casualties so there can be dwemer undead. But pretty much they all vanished into thin air. Maybe they are still alive in another plane of existence?

No full corpses, no. However when you go into the ruins in Tribunal, you find a lot of discrete, separate piles of ashes. Some in the same positions as dwemer would have been, if they had been sitting on the bench/chair. Some on the floor near weapon racks. Some underneath the beds in the same area where bodies would have been lying on the bedding. There was speculation the piles of ashes were dwemer who "poofed" when the Tools were used.

Cryptical

There won't be any daedric-created liches, because the dwemer cast aside the aedra and daedra, preferring to place their trust in their science.

Remember that book from skyrim that told about the dwemer guy that questioned the daedric prince about what was in the box, the prince - I think it was azura - answered a red flower, the dwemer guy palmed the flower into his robe before showing an empty box to the audience.

The daedra had no place in dwemer culture.

TheShadowScout

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

But what about the possible existance of Dwemer Vampires or Dwemer Lichs that could possibly still exist somewhere in Tamriel?

Liches - very unlikely, since the dwemer had a completely different approach to magic compared to daedric-derived necromancy. Not saying they would not use similar magics... just saying, they would not walk around as necromantic corpse-spellcasters, but instead transfer their spirit into one of the automatons. Now... an soul-imbued automaton spellcaster... kinda like a "clockwork lich"... that is something worth considering!

Vampires - maaaybe, though might be less then likely, seeing how the vampires started elsewhere, and the dwemer were always unlikely choices for a quick bite, due to not coming out of their undereground cities much...

Ghosts, those definitely! We know as much.

And all dwemer fanciers don't forget, we have had "flashback" quests in ESO already, I would not be surprised if sooner or later we got one that shows us the dwemer in their prime...

Code2501

The Dwemer were more likely to infuse themselves into their machines than to pursue lichdom

rysc

it seems like underground Dwemer cities would be the perfect sunless environment for the Vampires though and didn't they start in the Nord lands where there were lots of Dwemer cities?

Although, following that thought, automated defenses who can't be sucked to weaken them might make for a strong deterrent. Maybe that is why a lot of the attacks by Dwemer automatons are fire based and not just electricity.

Seeing the ghosts again would be awesome as would running into old spidey legs.

Abeille

TheShadowScout wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

But what about the possible existance of Dwemer Vampires or Dwemer Lichs that could possibly still exist somewhere in Tamriel?

Liches - very unlikely, since the dwemer had a completely different approach to magic compared to daedric-derived necromancy. Not saying they would not use similar magics... just saying, they would not walk around as necromantic corpse-spellcasters, but instead transfer their spirit into one of the automatons. Now... an soul-imbued automaton spellcaster... kinda like a "clockwork lich"... that is something worth considering!

That's what I think the mer in the depths of Rkindaleft (that I firmly believe to be a Dwemer), the Harmonic Auditor, was trying to do.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Nestor wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vastarie is a Lich and the Dragon priests last I checked don't seem to be Necromancer and they achieved Lichdom, Nerien'th became a Lich by making a deal with Mephala or one of the Daedra, you know whoever the Ebony Blade belongs to, No Necromancy there.

@TX12001rwb17_ESO

Are you sure?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Eyes_of_Azura

And, her husband was a necromancer, so perhaps she became a Lich through him. But all references to both these characters do not seem to say either was a Lich.

Anyway, a Lich is the result of a wizard or mage extending their lifespan to immortality through Necromancy

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Lich

Dragon Priests became Lich's through Necromancy by sucking the life force from their servants.

Vastarie is a Lich, she has glowing eyes, she has the same aura that lich NPCs have, She wears a Crown of the Lich and Epaulets of the Lich and even her backstory suggest it, she was in that place you find her for close to a century fighting off the daedra.

Also don't trust the wiki, It's fan written and the people who wrote it still think Lich's are bound to phylacteries when it should be obvious by now from all the Lich NPCs you kill over the course of the series that they are not.

TheShadowScout

Abeille wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

But what about the possible existance of Dwemer Vampires or Dwemer Lichs that could possibly still exist somewhere in Tamriel?

Liches - very unlikely, since the dwemer had a completely different approach to magic compared to daedric-derived necromancy. Not saying they would not use similar magics... just saying, they would not walk around as necromantic corpse-spellcasters, but instead transfer their spirit into one of the automatons. Now... an soul-imbued automaton spellcaster... kinda like a "clockwork lich"... that is something worth considering!

That's what I think the mer in the depths of Rkindaleft (that I firmly believe to be a Dwemer), the Harmonic Auditor, was trying to do.

I kinda had the same thought when I first encountered that one! And that is -exactly- the kind of stuff the dwemer would have been up to... might be, somewhere there really IS a fully fledged clockwork lich lurking in some old dwemer ruin...

TX12001rwb17_ESO

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

But what about the possible existance of Dwemer Vampires or Dwemer Lichs that could possibly still exist somewhere in Tamriel?

Liches - very unlikely, since the dwemer had a completely different approach to magic compared to daedric-derived necromancy. Not saying they would not use similar magics... just saying, they would not walk around as necromantic corpse-spellcasters, but instead transfer their spirit into one of the automatons. Now... an soul-imbued automaton spellcaster... kinda like a "clockwork lich"... that is something worth considering!

That's what I think the mer in the depths of Rkindaleft (that I firmly believe to be a Dwemer), the Harmonic Auditor, was trying to do.

I kinda had the same thought when I first encountered that one! And that is -exactly- the kind of stuff the dwemer would have been up to... might be, somewhere there really IS a fully fledged clockwork lich lurking in some old dwemer ruin...

Plot Twist....The real reason the machines still function is because they are actually all lichs, honestly that is starting to sound a bit like that Clockwork mod for Skyrim.

Narvuntien

Necromancy is associated with Daedra. Vampies with Molag Baal. The Dwemer hated Daedra.

I think they built themselves thier own plane in Oblivion... or The Heart of Lokhan is a soul gem that contains all of thier souls and the tribunal uses them to power thier magic. The souls of Dwemer sent Dagoth mad and left Sotha Sil... obessed with the Dwemer technology. They are said to be aspects of the Dumner but they might be aspects of the Dwemer.

I think the problem is that they erased themselves form existance and I think that means they straight up erased thier bodies so unless they were already ghosts I think all the bones of the Dwemer also disappeared and any undead creations would also disappear. I think what you might find is an experimental clockwork Lich, Dwemer didn't experiment on themselves when they had perfectly good slaves to test things on. I am expecting a Falmer clockwork lich not a Dwemer one..

In someways I like that they are a mystery though, its super interesting part of ES lore that people get so obessed with.

Saucy_Jack

As for a clue as to what happened to the dwemer, I'll just put this here:

uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Arniel's_Endeavor

dsalter

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

As for a clue as to what happened to the dwemer, I'll just put this here:

uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Arniel's_Endeavor

sounds like he vaporised