Spell Damage Explanation

magnusthorek

Recently I'm testing numbers of a few sets to see the best combo for me, not the meta I can't follow due latency or health and, today I've got 5 pieces of Spinner's Garment.

Well, with the Soulshine set, which doesn't have jewelry in Arcane (<_<) I lost 4430 max magicka, but I stay with ~2.2k Spell Damage. With Spinner's Garment, I have this amount back as it does have Arcanae jewelry, but my Spell Damage sits around 2k.

However, looking at my Puncturing Sweeps tooltip, the base damage is higher while at 2k of Spell Damage (Spinner's) than it is at 2.2k (Soulshine) o.O

Why (easy on the math, I'm not a genius >.<)?

Also, kind of off-topic, next step of my tests will be the real deal, DPS'ing something. Is there something outside a dungeon/trial I can use?

ostrapz

Spell damage as well as max magicka contribute to damage so that extra magicka pushed you past that extra spell dmg. I've seen people use mammoths In orsinium for dps testing but there should be something better somewhere with this patch, maybe find a world boss that's not too threatening

Rune_Relic

agree world boss.
Low health enemies only really test opening burst and execute.
You need something built like a brick to test the sustained DPS.
You can of course duel against a willing friend.
You dont need test dummies anymore.

If you can make a substaintial improvement id PvP DPS....that should be far more usable than testing PvE DPS.
IMHO

Nestor

There are a couple of Frost Atronach Bosses that are good for DPSing against, although now with 1.8M Health, it will take a while.

Now, to your question:

Raw damage that you are sending out is not the same as the calculated damage the mob is going to receive, all things considered. You ignore a chunk of mitigation, your doing a chunk more damage.

One thing you need to look at is the Sharpened buff on the Spinner Set. While the magic and damage numbers may be lower, the damage to the mob is going to go up because it can not mitigate as much. It should all even out in theory, but we all know that intentions are not results.

And, if your lucky enough to have a Sharpened Spinner Staff as one of your 5 Pieces, look out. I have a Sharpened Lightening Staff that I got somewhere, that I can't wait to try out. I just want another one for the character I am going to use this on.

Nestor

Oh, and I know you did not want math, but I am going to give you some anyway

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pts-2-1-2-sorcerer-arithmagic/

magnusthorek

I know that there's a whole crazy math going with buffs and debuffs applied on-the-fly but it was too weird to me that 4k extra Magicka would give more base damage than raw Spell Damage.

And about the Spinner's staff you mentioned Nestor, currently I'm sacrificing Monster Helmets to have both TBS and one of these sets running all the time in both bars.

I was never fan of proc with such low percentages... <_<

Erasure

magnusthorek wrote: »

looking at my Puncturing Sweeps tooltip, the base damage is higher while at 2k of Spell Damage (Spinner's) than it is at 2.2k (Soulshine) o.O

Two things:

1. 10.46 stat= 1 power for most skills, you sacrificed a lot of magic, it was worth about 425 spellpower.
2. The Soulshine set does not update the sweeps tooltip, it updates its damage. Did you attack something with a damage readout enabled to see what the difference was?

magnusthorek

Like I said the Real deal, attacking something will be done today

magnusthorek

Well, although I'm not very good at DPS tests (and the targets didn't have much helath to go durther either), I ran 3 right now, all over Mammoths by just:

- Using Channeled Focus
- Using Elemental Blockade
Switch bars
- Puncturing Sweeps with medium weave (x3)
- Radiant Oppression until dead

For the CPS distribution, at least the Blue ones, I did with 100 in Thaumaturge and the rest in Elemental Expert.

Setup #1 - Soulshine





Setup #2 - Spinner's Garment





Setup #3 - Mother's Sorrow





At first you may say that the Soulshine has the advantage of having more Legendary pieces and indeed, it' my current working setup, of course it has more Legendary pieces but if you extrapolate data, upgrading Spinner's Garment and Mother's Sorrow, they may get very close or maybe slightly more/less, although I think Spinner's Garment would be the weakest (at least it was cheaper than others).

One thing to note is that this works for me, for my health conditions and my latency minimum of 200 while alone)

For example, every time I try to follow any of the so-called "meta", and try to, for example, switch bars to cancel animations or to squeeze every microsecond, game doesn't compute one of the bar switches and end up switching twice and this messes with the final DPS.

Hope it helps someone