DPS vs Tank Tips

ArchMikem

More specifically a Magicka Templar Healer/DPS, but in general as a Magicka DPS how would you defeat a Dragonknight Tank of either attribute?

In my experience in battles the Tank will mitigate and heal through all my attacks until ive run completely dry on Magic, then thats when ive lost.

DannyLV702

If he's meant to be a tank with no dps, then you will not kill him. Considering he knows exactly what he's doing, of course.

ArchMikem

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If he's meant to be a tank with no dps, then you will not kill him. Considering he knows exactly what he's doing, of course.

So then what is supposed to counter a tank, another tank?

Rune_Relic

Tanks are built to survive.
DD are built to kill.

Of course... tanks cant really defend, if they cant control their character.
Many of them arent actually a statue made of diamond and are somewhat dynamic

I guess a better question would be...
How do you beat a stamina tank that still has to use stamina ?
How do you beat a magicka tank that stil has to use magicka ?
How do you beat a hybrid tank that may rely on light/heavy/ultimate with magicka/stamina assist ?
All of which are entirely different beasts no ?
Then there is those that bias between max health/resist/health regen.

As a health regen build all I need to do is bypass the damage pressure for a moment and can be back to full health.
A cloak....an evasion....try again.

I guess what a tank needs is 'time'.
The longer the fight lasts.....the less chance you have of winning.

DannyLV702

ArchMikem wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If he's meant to be a tank with no dps, then you will not kill him. Considering he knows exactly what he's doing, of course.

So then what is supposed to counter a tank, another tank?

Well in open world pvp, the only counter is numbers against him, or simply ignoring him. Now if you're talking about dueling, then you shouldn't be accepting duels from tanks. That's just silly and a waste of time

ArchMikem

DannyLV702 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If he's meant to be a tank with no dps, then you will not kill him. Considering he knows exactly what he's doing, of course.

So then what is supposed to counter a tank, another tank?

Well in open world pvp, the only counter is numbers against him, or simply ignoring him. Now if you're talking about dueling, then you shouldn't be accepting duels from tanks. That's just silly and a waste of time

I was trying to retake one of the Pact gate keeps in a Yellow dominated campaign real late at night, thinking I was alone. More than halfway through the inner keep door a Tank and a lower level DPS comes in behind me and wrecks. They boot me out of the Keep but I got to one of the resources I flipped earlier and began to hold them back from flipping it. The DPS was easy to deal with but the Tank was shielding and mitigating up a storm but with the Guards on my side it was a bit of a stalemate, 'till I fully engaged him in a fight, in which after a minute or two my Magic was dry and he was winning, but his DPS friend came in and Lethal Arrowed me in the back.

Then I was teabagged.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If he's meant to be a tank with no dps, then you will not kill him. Considering he knows exactly what he's doing, of course.

So then what is supposed to counter a tank, another tank?

Well in open world pvp, the only counter is numbers against him, or simply ignoring him. Now if you're talking about dueling, then you shouldn't be accepting duels from tanks. That's just silly and a waste of time

I was trying to retake one of the Pact gate keeps in a Yellow dominated campaign real late at night, thinking I was alone. More than halfway through the inner keep door a Tank and a lower level DPS comes in behind me and wrecks. They boot me out of the Keep but I got to one of the resources I flipped earlier and began to hold them back from flipping it. The DPS was easy to deal with but the Tank was shielding and mitigating up a storm but with the Guards on my side it was a bit of a stalemate, 'till I fully engaged him in a fight, in which after a minute or two my Magic was dry and he was winning, but his DPS friend came in and Lethal Arrowed me in the back.

Then I was teabagged.

Doesn't that make for a better story then you just ganking them? I mean people complain about tanks but it seems to me that they create an interesting dynamic every time you come across one, as those fights are memorable and such.

ArchMikem

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If he's meant to be a tank with no dps, then you will not kill him. Considering he knows exactly what he's doing, of course.

So then what is supposed to counter a tank, another tank?

Well in open world pvp, the only counter is numbers against him, or simply ignoring him. Now if you're talking about dueling, then you shouldn't be accepting duels from tanks. That's just silly and a waste of time

I was trying to retake one of the Pact gate keeps in a Yellow dominated campaign real late at night, thinking I was alone. More than halfway through the inner keep door a Tank and a lower level DPS comes in behind me and wrecks. They boot me out of the Keep but I got to one of the resources I flipped earlier and began to hold them back from flipping it. The DPS was easy to deal with but the Tank was shielding and mitigating up a storm but with the Guards on my side it was a bit of a stalemate, 'till I fully engaged him in a fight, in which after a minute or two my Magic was dry and he was winning, but his DPS friend came in and Lethal Arrowed me in the back.

Then I was teabagged.

Doesn't that make for a better story then you just ganking them? I mean people complain about tanks but it seems to me that they create an interesting dynamic every time you come across one, as those fights are memorable and such.

I wasnt ganking though lol, they actually ganked me while i was in the middle of my seige.

Mr_Apollo

From what ive seen (and with experience of me being a tank), Tanks are built to survive most of the damage, I'm used to being a tank in dungeons and when I first started duelling, well, my arse got kicked, because rules change, ive been asking around, getting advise, and ive found out you need to study the tank, the first few moments of the battle are crucial, especially against a DK, study the Dragonknight class

• They have a limited amount of self heals, and most come from magica, use that to your advantage
• They replenish a huge amount of stamina, health and magica with their ultimates
• Stone based abilities replenish stamina
• They have a ton of DoTs and shields
• Most of their abilities are elemental (Stamina have disease and poison so beware of that)

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Study them, and find their weaknesses, if you know enough about them youll be enough to find out a strategy in what to do. Tanks are built to survive but they are not diamonds, they will break.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If he's meant to be a tank with no dps, then you will not kill him. Considering he knows exactly what he's doing, of course.

So then what is supposed to counter a tank, another tank?

Well in open world pvp, the only counter is numbers against him, or simply ignoring him. Now if you're talking about dueling, then you shouldn't be accepting duels from tanks. That's just silly and a waste of time

I was trying to retake one of the Pact gate keeps in a Yellow dominated campaign real late at night, thinking I was alone. More than halfway through the inner keep door a Tank and a lower level DPS comes in behind me and wrecks. They boot me out of the Keep but I got to one of the resources I flipped earlier and began to hold them back from flipping it. The DPS was easy to deal with but the Tank was shielding and mitigating up a storm but with the Guards on my side it was a bit of a stalemate, 'till I fully engaged him in a fight, in which after a minute or two my Magic was dry and he was winning, but his DPS friend came in and Lethal Arrowed me in the back.

Then I was teabagged.

Doesn't that make for a better story then you just ganking them? I mean people complain about tanks but it seems to me that they create an interesting dynamic every time you come across one, as those fights are memorable and such.

I wasnt ganking though lol, they actually ganked me while i was in the middle of my seige.

I was using the term gank as just killing them fast. I didn't mean surprise kills, though I can understand why you would think that.

altemriel

once I saw a video of a tank in a tower in Cyro, standing still with about 5 people attacking him, he killed them one by one, while taking almost no damage.

I guess the way to kill tanks is to have enought regen and/or resources to stand and attack until their resources are used up. if they can regen infinitely, you are screwed.

bigted209

Easy answer, jabs like a mofo! 5 very fast hits again and again will wear down the tanks stamina, once that's gone, more jabs for the win!!!


My pve/trials Guild was having a bit of a dueling tourney last night, ran in to this exact situation. Our main trials tank wanted to see how my pvp alt did against hit tank...relatively longish fight, but that's essentially it. Wear out their resources, then there are no more shields/buffs/debuffs.

*edit* this will not be fast by any means.... my duel took what felt like 3-5 mins. If it's in cyrodiil, you will be out of resources and VERY vulnerable during/after. Best bet for a tank in cyrodiil is numbers or just say to hell with it and go on about your business

sneakymitchell

DannyLV702 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If he's meant to be a tank with no dps, then you will not kill him. Considering he knows exactly what he's doing, of course.

So then what is supposed to counter a tank, another tank?

Well in open world pvp, the only counter is numbers against him, or simply ignoring him. Now if you're talking about dueling, then you shouldn't be accepting duels from tanks. That's just silly and a waste of time

https://youtu.be/vemr8LNY2y8

DRXHarbinger

Magika dots. Lots of them and hope he doesn't use purge but then again that costs a ton. Ritual of retribution which also snares. Vamp bane to make him spam heals, javelin to make them use up stam and shards too. Generally eye of the storm and jabs is plenty. Pressure is key, so corner them, retribution, bane, destro ulti and jab jab jab. Don't go for the beam unless they are very low on health as they'll get out of it or just bash you.