"TAKE OFF MINES"

LuminaLilly

If I had a dollar for every time someone told me to do this.....

I guess sorcs HAVE to be an easy kill for the stameta? And get rage when a sorc actually kills them

Gothren

AlphaNicole wrote: »

If I had a dollar for every time someone told me to do this.....

I guess sorcs HAVE to be an easy kill for the stameta? And get rage when a sorc actually kills them

when stamina proc sets are rebalanced im going to laugh when i hear crying. iv seen people use similiar mechanics in the past as a major crutch. take that away and they panic. #NotAll but most.

DannyLV702

I get that crying all the time. It's getting annoying

STEVIL

Tourney just had destro staff ulti banned for play yesterday. Think another today. Even with starting from zero ulti.

Mines, ulti... should just do the lay down emote and make it easy.

thankyourat

Lol mines are crazy strong though. if a sorc is camping mines the fight will never cause I'm not going in there. We will just stay at range hitting each other with wet noodle projectiles that are being absorbed by our shields

Kova

Here's the flow of my duels against gigabad proc players on my magicka sorc:

WIN > "Take off Mines" > Switch to heavy armor and boundless storm > WIN >"No offense, but shields need another nerf" > take off shields, but slot overload and block the first tremor/viper proc > (really difficult)WIN > "Overload spam, really?" >Take off overload and proceed to shake fanny at enemy > LOSE > "GF dude"


The best laugh comes from complaints about frags. Love it.

susmitds

People don't understand the power of vMA bore against sorcs. Do endless hail on their mines with a vMA bow and watch it practically blow their shields. And spam Snipe and use Poison Injection to keep pressure up. They will be forced to move out of mine or die. When they do, proceed to Viper+Tremoscale to death.

Waffennacht

I always respond: take off your proc sets and you got a deal.

They never do though...

KramUzibra

Waffennacht wrote: »

I always respond: take off your proc sets and you got a deal.

They never do though...

Really! Mines comparable to viper/tremorscale combo? Yeah right! Those meta proc build players are just hating cuz they cant no skill proc spam u to death. Mines are not op they are awesome and provides a distinct challenge when fighting sorcs.

WhiteMage

Is it just me, or do sorcs rarely reapply mines? When I duel sorcs they always start with mines (often on overload bar. Guess that's why) and reapply once, twice max in the entire fight. Could be because I pop mist form and clear the mines as soon as they drop them, I suppose.

Waffennacht

@WhiteMage yeah, if you're able to walk right through them and not get bursted... then yeah there isn't too much of a use in recasting them.

I do recast them personally, if anything it helps in minimizing your opponents side to side movements.

ManDraKE

WhiteMage wrote: »

Is it just me, or do sorcs rarely reapply mines? When I duel sorcs they always start with mines (often on overload bar. Guess that's why) and reapply once, twice max in the entire fight. Could be because I pop mist form and clear the mines as soon as they drop them, I suppose.

mines are expensive, if you are running a build with bare-minimum sustain, you have to be really careful or mines will drain all your magika. Usually a good sorc will drop them once, try to use all the mines by cycling around them, and reapplying them after a pot (there is CP passive that reduces the cost of abilities after a pot, so mines are almost free).
And recasting mines while you have a posion resources proc, is gg.

threefarms

I get so much crap for winning duels with overload. If a stamblade starts to pis me off then I will streak and load!

Vaoh

I don't use Daedric Mines.... then again, I run a very old style Dual Wield Magicka Sorc focused on mobility over sheer shield strength.

I've been using Magicka Detonation (trying to judge whether it's worth morphing into Inevitable Detonation or not since it costs more) like back in the old days. Things have been working out very well for me. I dueled a bunch of meta and cheese builds over in Stormhaven and won nearly all of my fights, despite not being familiar with my own, very much outdated build.

Mines are powerful but they are not as dangerous as they appear to be. If you pressure the Magicka Sorc enough, and they are forced to shieldstack a bunch, you can often cast Vigor and roll through them without the Sorc being able to capitalize on the situation. If they have to deal with 6sec shields for survivability, you can deal with some bright purple landmines -_-

Dk_needs_a_buff

All dueling tournements on ps4 have rules. No stamina traps no cloak no mines and no ptocs at all. Overload is fine because you have to work up plenty of ultimate to spam it. You dump your ult start of the fight. Some tournements eaven ban heavy gear just to make eavrything fair

Waffennacht

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

All dueling tournements on ps4 have rules. No stamina traps no cloak no mines and no ptocs at all. Overload is fine because you have to work up plenty of ultimate to spam it. You dump your ult start of the fight. Some tournements eaven ban heavy gear just to make eavrything fair

Sorcs have 3 abilities that deal heavy damage without their opponent in execute range. One has a 33% proc chance, one has a 3.5 sec timer, and the other requires your opponent to step on it. I can't help think that unless every class loses a heavy hitting attack ability that is based on their primary resource, sorcerers are unfairly gimped in such tournaments.

Father_X_Zombie

Stam nb: Take off mines and duel me!

Me: Take off Viper and Veldrith (any proc set) and duel me

Izaki

I get that all the time too. After I do take off mines and still kill them, they either say "lag" or "pve build" or "the fight was too long".

zuto40

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

Stam nb: Take off mines and duel me!

Me: Take off Viper and Veldrith (any proc set) and duel me

ill duel you no procs on my stamblade for no mines

FriedEggSandwich

Waffennacht wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

All dueling tournements on ps4 have rules. No stamina traps no cloak no mines and no ptocs at all. Overload is fine because you have to work up plenty of ultimate to spam it. You dump your ult start of the fight. Some tournements eaven ban heavy gear just to make eavrything fair

Sorcs have 3 abilities that deal heavy damage without their opponent in execute range. One has a 33% proc chance, one has a 3.5 sec timer, and the other requires your opponent to step on it. I can't help think that unless every class loses a heavy hitting attack ability that is based on their primary resource, sorcerers are unfairly gimped in such tournaments.

Haha have an awesome dude

Calboy

Stupid rule. A key defensive ability for a soft class and it's banned. What about dks wings, nightblades evasion or Templars cleanse?

Ganj

"Mine camper!" I love this one too.

Asmael

Had a fair bunch of duels back in the days as a mag DK, of course against magicka sorcs as well. Mines are annoying, but about as annoying as wings for a mag sorc.

So when I duelled a mag DK *****ing about me using Mines when I was playing a mag sorc, I asked him to drop wings. He didn't and started some random banter saying how weak mag DK was, that he'll start fighting again once "I stop running". I just told him that if duelling me is a bother, it's simple: go find someone else.

In all cases, Mines and wings are both a case of L2P issue, as there are many counters available.

LjAnimalchin

I actually agree and I main a stamina NB. There are many things broken in this game but mines are not one of them. High cost, easily avoidable, and dont hit that hard. They are actually one of the more balanced things in the game. Not even in the same league as proc sets or any of the current meta cheese.

Strider_Roshin

I like it when a sorc places down their mines before the match starts. I like to walk right in the middle of them while they're harmless, look at the sorc, and be like "sup?" Lol

ManDraKE

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

All dueling tournements on ps4 have rules. No stamina traps no cloak no mines and no ptocs at all. Overload is fine because you have to work up plenty of ultimate to spam it. You dump your ult start of the fight. Some tournements eaven ban heavy gear just to make eavrything fair

no cloak? /facepalm

Cyrediath

Well vampires just clear them with mist form. Just learn how to play against certain builds.

Arkangeloski

susmitds wrote: »

People don't understand the power of vMA bore against sorcs. Do endless hail on their mines with a vMA bow and watch it practically blow their shields. And spam Snipe and use Poison Injection to keep pressure up. They will be forced to move out of mine or die. When they do, proceed to Viper+Tremoscale to death.

It works like a charm.. add a light weight beast trap behind their mines, once they start scrambling for safety from the endless hail boom... just do a dodge roll with your bow get close swap bars go for the kill

aLi3nZ

Take off you fighters guild trap and proc set and I will remove mines from my bar forever.

olimarfreak

Stam cry babies ..yep yep

Just beat a Stam Dk with reflective Wings Spam & Meta Setup.
I win
Stam DK: MINES MINES MINES GET THEM OFF!!!!!

LegendaryMage

Don't use mines, let that incap/selene/viper combo shred you to pieces. If someone steps into your mines, it's not their fault, it's your fault for putting them there. Like they're bugged or something.

On a more serious note, here's how you should counter mines on each class and each variant (mag/stam);

1. If you're a stam nb, ambush while having vigor up. You can also block while ambushing, unless changed at this point.
2. If you're a mag nb, you're probably going to be ranged and if your tether-assassins combo isn't working all the time, get over it. Increase your ranged dps or wait for the mines to go off before you go into your burst mode.
3. If you're a mag templar, you can gapclose like a stam nb and outheal it easily. Bit more tricky but very doable.
4. If you're a stam templar, gap close with vigor on you, dodge if a frag is coming.
5. If you're a stam sorc and you don't have a gap closer, nor any ranged options, you shouldn't complain.
6. If you're a mag sorc and you feel like you can pull it off, go for it.
7. If you're a mag dk with no ranged options, you're probably a vampire so mist through it.
8. If you're a stam dk, just walk into it you won't get much hurt with vigor. I personally walk through all of them in a combo of forward momentum (no imobilize or snare) and block/vigor. Easy.

If you don't know how to counter atronach, move out of its range. Sorc won't do much. If the sorc tries to do resto heavies, move out of the range a bit further so he doesn't complete the animation entirely and therefore gets no resources. If you still don't know how to counter mines/atro, it's a l2p issue I'm afraid and you will just have to practice more, it's not that hard once you have a specific method of your choice.