Weapon bar dilemma

daedalusAI

I'm stuck and I need a spark of imagination for my stamina NB.
I'm running dual wield as my main bar but I'm clueless what I should use on my 2nd bar:

• both staves are useless because they cater towards magicka builds
• 1hand and shield doesn't offer any major damage tool
• 2h is pathetic for PvE except momentum
• bow is the only other strong stamina based weapon line - but I really dislike using a bow in ESO

My current predicament makes it pretty obvious for me that there is almost no build diversity possible with weapon lines in their current state considering you can't use an ability out of a different skill line.

Nestor

Bow is a great skill, gives you a ranged attack. It's a situational thing for PvP, but I use it all the time in PvE. In fact, lately, I rarely switch to my Daggers and just stand back and use the Bow. But I have been doing a lot of Gear Farming so it works well for that.

Volley (pick your Morph) followed by Bombard to snare the mobs in the Volley and that usually kills most Trash Mobs. Add in Poison Injection for a great Execute and Draining Shot for a nice Self Heal/Crowd Control.

Or, use Reapers Mark, Snipe from Behind from Stealth and you take out most enemies in one shot. Well, not Bosses, but that is what you have your Daggers for.

So, there you go. I have opened the box for you think outside of. Bows synergize almost as well as Daggers for a Stamblade

daedalusAI

Nestor wrote: »

Bow is a great skill, gives you a ranged attack. It's a situational thing for PvP, but I use it all the time in PvE. In fact, lately, I rarely switch to my Daggers and just stand back and use the Bow. But I have been doing a lot of Gear Farming so it works well for that.

Volley (pick your Morph) followed by Bombard to snare the mobs in the Volley and that usually kills most Trash Mobs. Add in Poison Injection for a great Execute and Draining Shot for a nice Self Heal/Crowd Control.

Or, use Reapers Mark, Snipe from Behind from Stealth and you take out most enemies in one shot. Well, not Bosses, but that is what you have your Daggers for.

So, there you go. I have opened the box for you think outside of. Bows synergize almost as well as Daggers for a Stamblade

Doesn't help me one bit.

I really detest bow as I pointed out and even played with it for a while.

Out of the other 2 stamina weapon lines 2h is utterly pathetic and useless and 1h shield is only good for tanking.

So where does that leave me: make my 2nd bar another dual wield one - or use 2h solely for momentum?
That question is the spark I'm searching for which you avoided and answered with "go bow".

SirAndy

My Stamblade uses DW and Bow and i think it's a great combo for that class.

I have all weapons leveled to 50 on that character as well as all weapon skills maxed (including both morphs) so i have some experience with that.

2H can be made to work well as can 1H/Shield but it requires some drastic changes on how to play the character.
Heck, even the Destro/Resto combo worked OK although the limited Magicka pool can be a challenge.

daedalusAI

SirAndy wrote: »

My Stamblade uses DW and Bow and i think it's a great combo for that class.

I have all weapons leveled to 50 on that character as well as all weapon skills maxed (including both morphs) so i have some experience with that.

2H can be made to work well as can 1H/Shield but it requires some drastic changes on how to play the character.
Heck, even the Destro/Resto combo worked OK although the limited Magicka pool can be a challenge.

DW and bow is a great combo because it's the only one you have that works and scales.

2h is plain bad and was dismantled by me and others in my other thread.

The little damage 1h shield offers isn't even worth considering.

Staves won't work on a full stamina build the same way as you don't use stamina abilities with a full magicka build.

SirAndy

daedalusAI wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

My Stamblade uses DW and Bow and i think it's a great combo for that class.
I have all weapons leveled to 50 on that character as well as all weapon skills maxed (including both morphs) so i have some experience with that.
2H can be made to work well as can 1H/Shield but it requires some drastic changes on how to play the character.
Heck, even the Destro/Resto combo worked OK although the limited Magicka pool can be a challenge.

DW and bow is a great combo because it's the only one you have that works and scales.
2h is plain bad and was dismantled by me and others in my other thread.
The little damage 1h shield offers isn't even worth considering.
Staves won't work on a full stamina build the same way as you don't use stamina abilities with a full magicka build.

So you don't want answers, you only want validation of your already established view point?

In that case, ignore my post above since i obviously have no clue what i'm talking about.
Nothing to learn here, carry on ...

daedalusAI

SirAndy wrote: »

daedalusAI wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

My Stamblade uses DW and Bow and i think it's a great combo for that class.
I have all weapons leveled to 50 on that character as well as all weapon skills maxed (including both morphs) so i have some experience with that.
2H can be made to work well as can 1H/Shield but it requires some drastic changes on how to play the character.
Heck, even the Destro/Resto combo worked OK although the limited Magicka pool can be a challenge.

DW and bow is a great combo because it's the only one you have that works and scales.
2h is plain bad and was dismantled by me and others in my other thread.
The little damage 1h shield offers isn't even worth considering.
Staves won't work on a full stamina build the same way as you don't use stamina abilities with a full magicka build.

So you don't want answers, you only want validation of your already established view point?

In that case, ignore my post above since i obviously have no clue what i'm talking about.
Nothing to learn here, carry on ...

You only told me what i already know.

If I tell you that I despise bow and you tell me "DW and bow is a great combo" what should I think of you who ignored that and gave me an answer to a question I didn't ask?

I want a logical answer that takes the current state of weapon skill lines into account - or do you honestly see 1h shield or 2h as a viable endgame dps option outside of questing?

Sigtric

The logical answer if you want to compliment DW with more damage in PVE is bow. Sorry you don't like it, but that's what it is.

With a little creativity in using class skills and the right gear you can get some respectable damage out of 1h/shield line but it'll never compete with DW+Bow, at least in this current climate.

newtinmpls

daedalusAI wrote: »

My current predicament makes it pretty obvious for me that there is almost no build diversity possible

Unless you use your imagination.

Play with some Mages, Fighters and Undaunted skills, meanwhile leveling (by equipping) some weapon you don't care for in the current meta.

daedalusAI

Sigtric wrote: »

The logical answer if you want to compliment DW with more damage in PVE is bow. Sorry you don't like it, but that's what it is.

With a little creativity in using class skills and the right gear you can get some respectable damage out of 1h/shield line but it'll never compete with DW+Bow, at least in this current climate.

Yep that is what I feared.

daedalusAI

newtinmpls wrote: »

daedalusAI wrote: »

My current predicament makes it pretty obvious for me that there is almost no build diversity possible

Unless you use your imagination.

Play with some Mages, Fighters and Undaunted skills, meanwhile leveling (by equipping) some weapon you don't care for in the current meta.

I too could imagine an empty bar and only using light attacks while dual wielding - but that doesn't make it any good.

Mages Guild:

• Mages Light spell crit is useless on a stamina build
• Entropy and Fire Rune are magicka spells and thus useless to me
• Equilibrium is useless because I don't need magicka for my few magicka abilities
• Meteor is good and I'm working towards unlocking it

Fighters Guild:

• Silver Bolt doing less and costing more than Surprise Attack
• Circle of Protection is purely defensive and thus useless to me
• Expert Hunter is good just for the slotted crit
• Trap is good for the crit damage
• Flawless Dawnbreaker is good for the damage and slotted weapon damage

Undaunted:

• Blood Altar is useless
• Trapping Webs: high cost, mediocre damage and takes 5sec to deal damage
• Inner Fire: a taunt which is useless to me
• Bone Shield: why do I need a defensive ability
• Necrotic orb requires its synergy to be triggered

I did my homework on all those skill lines - which means I'm still stuck with only having my DW bar and still missing another one.

Nomad79

I run DW on both bars. One bar is single target and one is aoe. I did pvp so I could get Vigor and Caltrops though. It works great in general pve but I'd probably switch over to DW/bow if I ever did dungeons.

WhoThenNow7

Dude.. What's your problem OP? You sit here and say you already know that 2h and SnB sucks for your back bar and that bow is the only viable choice, and then you go and say you don't want to use a bow and ask for our opinion. What exactly are you even asking us? You don't want to use bow and you don't want to use the other two options. So I'm not sure what you expect us to say. Just use dual wield on your back bar then.

daedalusAI

WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

Dude.. What's your problem OP? You sit here and say you already know that 2h and SnB sucks for your back bar and that bow is the only viable choice, and then you go and say you don't want to use a bow and ask for our opinion. What exactly are you even asking us? You don't want to use bow and you don't want to use the other two options. So I'm not sure what you expect us to say. Just use dual wield on your back bar then.

I might have missed something in my assessment of 2h and 1h shield - but turns out I didn't.

Which means that DW and Bow are the only viable stamina skill lines if you think of more challenging content which for me is just another pathetic example of an illusion of choice and diversity.

It seems I need to work on the only option I have left: DW on both bars even though not using bow already is a damage loss.

Waffennacht

You already knew the answer.

No, there is nothing more viable than bow if you want pure dps.

Just like you have to slot resto staff for heals as a sorc (but I detest Matriarch! Lmao see how I brought it back around?)

So yes, you're right, you're sol