Zenimax, FIX THE VIPER SET!!!!

alephthiago

This is getting out of hand, viper's sting coming from bow attacks when the set's description says it should proc from melee attacks, yesterday i decided to take screenshots everytime i wasnt in heavy battle and when you can clearly identify the attackers and there is a limited number of them, its amazing you guys have not fixed this bug when EVERY player knows its happening.

http://imgur.com/a/XDHbF
http://imgur.com/a/rVoz0
http://imgur.com/a/3IIpo
http://imgur.com/a/XItkq

alephthiago

http://imgur.com/a/XDHbF
http://imgur.com/a/rVoz0
http://imgur.com/a/3IIpo
http://imgur.com/a/XItkq

DHale

I have never been hit for more than 2.6 k from viper sting. It's not viper sting that kills people... unless five people are hitting you. Then that is a different problem all together. People have been using viper for months... sad. Viper and widow and vali, etc... is not going to make a bad player into a good player... never has happened or will happen.

Qbiken

There´s nothing that needs to be "fixed" with the viper set since nothing is bugged with it. The viper set is working as intended. It´s strong but it´s still working as it should be. And to be honest, a 4,5k hit from a set isn´t in need of a fix.....

Just curious: What gear (with traits) are you using in pvp? Because no one with 5-7 pieces with impengear will get hit but that much (at least I don´t think it likely, but I can be wrong) from viper

Minalan

And here come the mindless proctato spuds coming to defend their broken set.

Almost none of them ever read the OP.

Fewer bothered to read the MELEE damage requirement on their one button kill set. Or the fact that it procs on BOW poison damage and it shouldn't.

It's okay. Let them lick the windows, they aren't hurting anyone.

OdinForge

I wouldn't hold your breath for a fix any time soon.

I don't imagine they'll even look at proc sets until or after the class balance patch, next year. Assuming they even bother to do anything about proc sets in the first place, I don't think I've even seen them comment about stacking procs without cooldown yet.

Alucardo

I really hate Viper, but it's not Viper that's bugged. It's weapon swapping. If you shoot with your bow then quickly swap to your other bar that has the viper bonus, it will proc.

Here's an example of a bow heavy attack then swapping to my DW bar



You can see the heavy attack, weapon glyph and viper all proc at once.

Alucardo

DHale wrote: »

I have never been hit for more than 2.6 k from viper sting. It's not viper sting that kills people... unless five people are hitting you. Then that is a different problem all together. People have been using viper for months... sad. Viper and widow and vali, etc... is not going to make a bad player into a good player... never has happened or will happen.

If you read the post you'd see the OP is complaining about Viper being able to proc while using a bow from range, not about the damage in general.
If you rely on this set I can see why you'd only read the title then instantly come to its defence.

Qbiken

Minalan wrote: »

And here come the mindless proctato spuds coming to defend their broken set.

Almost none of them ever read the OP.

Fewer bothered to read the MELEE damage requirement on their one button kill set. Or the fact that it procs on BOW poison damage and it shouldn't.

It's okay. Let them lick the windows, they aren't hurting anyone.

Not defending the set, just questioning the rant.

Alucardo wrote: »

I really hate Viper, but it's not Viper that's bugged. It's weapon swapping. If you shoot with your bow then quickly swap to your other bar that has the viper bonus, it will proc.

Here's an example of a bow heavy attack then swapping to my DW bar



You can see the heavy attack, weapon glyph and viper all proc at once.

As you can see this is the reason ppl think viper "procs" on bow skills. But this isn´t a bug with the set itself but a weaponswapbug

Alucardo

Qbiken wrote: »

As you can see this is the reason ppl think viper "procs" on bow skills. But this isn´t a bug with the set itself but a weaponswapbug

Yep. It happens with other sets too. I don't need a Red Mountain bow, because when I swap to my DW where I get the RM bonus, the poison injection/volley ticks can still proc it.
Sets generally don't care where they're triggered from, only what bar you're on when it wants to proc.

Rohamad_Ali

Qbiken wrote: »

There´s nothing that needs to be "fixed" with the viper set since nothing is bugged with it. The viper set is working as intended. It´s strong but it´s still working as it should be. And to be honest, a 4,5k hit from a set isn´t in need of a fix.....

Just curious: What gear (with traits) are you using in pvp? Because no one with 5-7 pieces with impengear will get hit but that much (at least I don´t think it likely, but I can be wrong) from viper

Incorrect . Vipers will still proc ranged with defile weapon enchant loaded . Needs fixing . All the proc suits have timer issues and at times double proc . @ZOS_GinaBruno needs to have someone in the dev department look into why proc sets are ignoring cool down in PvP .

alephthiago

Qbiken wrote: »

There´s nothing that needs to be "fixed" with the viper set since nothing is bugged with it. The viper set is working as intended. It´s strong but it´s still working as it should be. And to be honest, a 4,5k hit from a set isn´t in need of a fix.....

Just curious: What gear (with traits) are you using in pvp? Because no one with 5-7 pieces with impengear will get hit but that much (at least I don´t think it likely, but I can be wrong) from viper

melee...melee....melee

alephthiago

One of the screenshots is from a guy hitting me from the keep's wall, its snipe after snipe, no weapon swap...

DannyLV702

Alucardo wrote: »

I really hate Viper, but it's not Viper that's bugged. It's weapon swapping. If you shoot with your bow then quickly swap to your other bar that has the viper bonus, it will proc.

Here's an example of a bow heavy attack then swapping to my DW bar



You can see the heavy attack, weapon glyph and viper all proc at once.

It's not weapon swap. I believe it's the enchant that procs viper.

WillhelmBlack

Just fix PvP. Nerf Procs and Jesus Beam, everything will be fine.

LEGENDARYYY

Alucardo wrote: »

I really hate Viper, but it's not Viper that's bugged. It's weapon swapping. If you shoot with your bow then quickly swap to your other bar that has the viper bonus, it will proc.

Here's an example of a bow heavy attack then swapping to my DW bar



You can see the heavy attack, weapon glyph and viper all proc at once.

This could maybe be related to my casting bug thread.

Something is really going on with the casting/swapping in the game atm. Needs some more attention.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Just a heads up that we have a fix for this coming in a future patch.

Rohamad_Ali

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a heads up that we have a fix for this coming in a future patch.

Thank heavens !

alephthiago

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a heads up that we have a fix for this coming in a future patch.

wow, didnt expect that, thank you gina.

Awakatanka

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a heads up that we have a fix for this coming in a future patch.

Only for viper our for all global proc sets? Maybe you can also fix the range on jesus beam and the full healt healers/tanks with there high dps.maybe i will try eso again...

Docmandu

"future patch".. and herein lies the catch... thinking Update 14 in 6 months time ?!

lolo_01b16_ESO

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a heads up that we have a fix for this coming in a future patch.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Just out of curiosity, will it be a band aid fix just for viper or are you going to fix the underlying issue with projectiles and weapon swap?

Niaver

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a heads up that we have a fix for this coming in a future patch.

What kind of fix? I don't wear Viper, but if I would - i would want to know what is going to happen with my gear I'm spending a lot of time\gold for.

alephthiago

Niaver wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a heads up that we have a fix for this coming in a future patch.

What kind of fix? I don't wear Viper, but if I would - i would want to know what is going to happen with my gear I'm spending a lot of time\gold for.

Probably work as described? only in melee attacks?

Niaver

Oh well, i thought they were going to fix the fact that the set is OP. My bad :-(

Jaronking

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a heads up that we have a fix for this coming in a future patch.

How bout you guys fix cloak.

Kryptonite_Kent

The fix will probably be how the game reads poison enchants.... currently the poison enchant on a bow counts as a melee hit when it procs off of bow attacks, thus proccing Viper, its has nothing to do with weapon swapping... although apparently both variations will proc Viper, so they need to fix both the enchant counting as melee and the weapon swap counting bow attacks as melee.

camknox

Me thinks/hopes, that this fix is in the current patch

WuffyCerulei

@Wrobel I recommend increasing the cooldown on viper, or changing it to direct melee damage instead of just melee. That was it's harder to use in ganking.