proposition: count 2h weapon as 2 set items

Morvane

I think this will solve the problem how to wear 2 5x pieces sets + monster set like SnB and Dual users do.

BohnT

no there is a reason that 2h don't count as 2 set pieces. the only thing which should have this is the bow the other weapons are fine as they are.

Morvane

BohnT wrote: »

no there is a reason that 2h don't count as 2 set pieces. the only thing which should have this is the bow the other weapons are fine as they are.

but u agree that this proposal is reasonable

BohnT

you can discuss about it but i really don't see the need for this. staffs, and 2h are strong as they are yeah it sucks that you miss 1 5pc but there are some ways around it like 2/4/4 and then different weapons on each bar to proc sets.

Aletheion

A 2 handed weapon might be strong, but not anywhere near as strong as two 5 piece set bonuses *and* a 2 piece monster set bonus.

In terms of power balance, 2 handed weapons should to count as 2 pieces of a set (I'd add the caveat, if 2 or more pieces of that set are equipped).

-Aletheion

Morvane

BohnT wrote: »

you can discuss about it but i really don't see the need for this. staffs, and 2h are strong as they are yeah it sucks that you miss 1 5pc but there are some ways around it like 2/4/4 and then different weapons on each bar to proc sets.

why we talking about some ways, in the moment, when dual wielders can use 5/5/2 without any problems.
2h have the same stats as 1+1 Duals (include vMSA weapon), but not count as 2 slots.

dem0n1k

Nice idea! As a destro staff user it is disappointing that I can't use 2 x 5pc with a complete monster set. I currently just use 1pc monster set so I can get the benefits of the 2x 5pc set bonus. I thought about going dual wield on both bars but I love the ranged interrupt of Crushing Shock too much! Also, that Destro Ultimate....

Rohamad_Ali

BohnT wrote: »

no there is a reason that 2h don't count as 2 set pieces. the only thing which should have this is the bow the other weapons are fine as they are.

lol

Unsent.Soul

BohnT wrote: »

no there is a reason that 2h don't count as 2 set pieces. the only thing which should have this is the bow the other weapons are fine as they are.

Right....

TheShadowScout

Nah. Weapons should be -different- and the two handers balance their lack of second hands set piece with other advantages. I prefer it when the gear selection actually -means- something...

Synfaer

Sven agrees with this
Bigger battle axe makes more half-elves.

Unsent.Soul

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Nah. Weapons should be -different- and the two handers balance their lack of second hands set piece with other advantages. I prefer it when the gear selection actually -means- something...

What advantages are you talking about, specifically, with facts?

ArchMikem

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Nah. Weapons should be -different- and the two handers balance their lack of second hands set piece with other advantages. I prefer it when the gear selection actually -means- something...

Like what advantages?

acw37162

The corresponding nerf to damage and abilities would make you cry but I agree 2h should take. A nerd and count as two set pieces.

SkylarkX

I think the reason they are the way they are now is because the 2H and stave weapon lines have higher damage/more powerful passives to compensate. Over the last few patches gear set bonuses have become much more powerful though which may have broken the parity - so it's worth considering imo.

MakoFore

maybe instead of counting it as two slots- make another item that can accompany the two hand- like a hilt or someting. something that allows another set piece bonus- but also may impair a little to allow for some balance. 2h already has vigor and staffs are like guns. so if u choose to go 4 the set bonus - u have to slot a hilt of whatnot that perhaps applies minor maim to the wearer or something.


but i think trying to balance it like that would create more issues- but just a suggestion.

GreenSoup2HoT

This topic has been brought up time and time again and i'll continue to disagree with anyone who tries to push this idea through. Duel-Wield and Sword + Board need this extra slot to be unique. They are also physically 2 objects, not 1 but 2.

Two-hand already has too much to be given an extra item slot because of pvp. It already has superior skill-line synergy compared to every other stamina weapon class and has amazing passives (only gankers can bypass the need for some of these passives but most gankers still need 2h as a buff bar for Major Brutality and heals). Rally is just to good.

Every weapon skill-line in game can use a monster set and 2 5 piece bonuses granted if Clever Alchemist or Armour Master is used. So the option still exists. Both of those sets can be utilized on magicka or stamina also.

As a Duel-Wielder, i give up on 30% stamina per kill for 10 seconds and poison injection since i'm required to use Rally for Major Brutality and Heals. That alone is a huge sacrifice just for another set bonus. Granted i could slot Executioner on my Two hand bar but then i would not get benefit from 1 of my 5 piece bonuses if i did so. Sword and Board also sacrifices the same thing for higher block mitigation and resistances.

2H/Bow is still the superior build for PVP in my opinion for all situations (melee + ranged, burst + sustained damage, good heals with speed). DW or S+B is more niche whether it be AoE or Dueling. It's not gonna happen sorry op. Poison Injection / Hasty Retreat and Rally / Battle Rush are to good, which is why neither weapon will count as 2 items.




HOWEVER..from a PVE perspective i feel your pain. 2H will never be a viable dps weapon for end-game.

AzuraKin

BohnT wrote: »

you can discuss about it but i really don't see the need for this. staffs, and 2h are strong as they are yeah it sucks that you miss 1 5pc but there are some ways around it like 2/4/4 and then different weapons on each bar to proc sets.

rofl staves strong? every time i try to make destro staff viable, i get reminded why all my mages dual wield, and with 1t, the reason to dw as a mage is even stronger. you gain more power from 2 5p sets + 1 monster set then you can gain from 1 5p set, willpower (talking mages here) maelstrom destro staff and monster set or 2 5p sets and maelstrom weapon.

Tryxus

AzuraKin wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

you can discuss about it but i really don't see the need for this. staffs, and 2h are strong as they are yeah it sucks that you miss 1 5pc but there are some ways around it like 2/4/4 and then different weapons on each bar to proc sets.

rofl staves strong? every time i try to make destro staff viable, i get reminded why all my mages dual wield, and with 1t, the reason to dw as a mage is even stronger. you gain more power from 2 5p sets + 1 monster set then you can gain from 1 5p set, willpower (talking mages here) maelstrom destro staff and monster set or 2 5p sets and maelstrom weapon.

Main reasons NOT to DW:
- Sustain
- Range
- Destro Staff Skills

GreenSoup2HoT

Tryxus wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

you can discuss about it but i really don't see the need for this. staffs, and 2h are strong as they are yeah it sucks that you miss 1 5pc but there are some ways around it like 2/4/4 and then different weapons on each bar to proc sets.

rofl staves strong? every time i try to make destro staff viable, i get reminded why all my mages dual wield, and with 1t, the reason to dw as a mage is even stronger. you gain more power from 2 5p sets + 1 monster set then you can gain from 1 5p set, willpower (talking mages here) maelstrom destro staff and monster set or 2 5p sets and maelstrom weapon.

Main reasons NOT to DW:
- Sustain
- Range
- Destro Staff Skills

Destro Ulty for pvp to op.

Tryxus

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

you can discuss about it but i really don't see the need for this. staffs, and 2h are strong as they are yeah it sucks that you miss 1 5pc but there are some ways around it like 2/4/4 and then different weapons on each bar to proc sets.

rofl staves strong? every time i try to make destro staff viable, i get reminded why all my mages dual wield, and with 1t, the reason to dw as a mage is even stronger. you gain more power from 2 5p sets + 1 monster set then you can gain from 1 5p set, willpower (talking mages here) maelstrom destro staff and monster set or 2 5p sets and maelstrom weapon.

Main reasons NOT to DW:
- Sustain
- Range
- Destro Staff Skills

Destro Ulty for pvp to op.

Elemental Rage Ice

GreenSoup2HoT

Tryxus wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

you can discuss about it but i really don't see the need for this. staffs, and 2h are strong as they are yeah it sucks that you miss 1 5pc but there are some ways around it like 2/4/4 and then different weapons on each bar to proc sets.

rofl staves strong? every time i try to make destro staff viable, i get reminded why all my mages dual wield, and with 1t, the reason to dw as a mage is even stronger. you gain more power from 2 5p sets + 1 monster set then you can gain from 1 5p set, willpower (talking mages here) maelstrom destro staff and monster set or 2 5p sets and maelstrom weapon.

Main reasons NOT to DW:
- Sustain
- Range
- Destro Staff Skills

Destro Ulty for pvp to op.

Elemental Rage Ice

The Fire Destro one cooks my vampire bottom. The Ice sounds nice.

WalksonGraves

I never play 2h because of the set bonus gimp.

Panda_iMunch

Considering staffs don't even have the highest spell power, I would think making staffs count as two pieces in a set would be a fair compensation. It would at least open up more builds for 2h considering the overwhelming power of sets atm.

2h'ed weapons have always been on the back bar, I would love to actually have them on my front bar.

Niqhtmaredemon

Well maybe not count as a 2pc but add in something for each as a offhand that offers minor stats but are set item like a quiver for bows staff grips and sword grips this could be something to consider.

LaiTash

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Nah. Weapons should be -different- and the two handers balance their lack of second hands set piece with other advantages. I prefer it when the gear selection actually -means- something...

Which advantages, exactly? I know destro staves and bows are quite powerful bow how about poor mellee 2handers?

DannyLV702

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I never play 2h because of the set bonus gimp.

Somebody does not have maelstrom weapons.....

LaiTash

DannyLV702 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I never play 2h because of the set bonus gimp.

Somebody does not have maelstrom weapons.....

One needs to get this far.

Vaoh

No please don't do this.

It would absolutely change the game.

Heck if my Destruction staff/Restoration Staff separately counted as two slots all balance would be screwed.

The current system has been fine forever. I can sort of see where people with this view are coming from, but I truly believe it'd be a horrible idea to actually implement.

Joy_Division

People got to stop referring to the game at Launch and the original design as a justification for not changing stuff. It's a totally different game with totally different mechanics and totally different gear sets.

With all the new improved and OP gear released last patch, having an additional complete set bonus is a significant advantage and those that say there isn't either is a liar or hasn't been hit with a Viper + tremorscale + widowmaker procs at the same time

WalksonGraves

DannyLV702 wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I never play 2h because of the set bonus gimp.

Somebody does not have maelstrom weapons.....

Yeah when I made my first character they forgot to give me them when I got out of cold harbor.

There aren't many vma bonuses better than a set and gl getting the one you want. I'm just happy the s&b is trash.