Infernal guardian goes through walls and breaks cloak

joe.smith21b14_ESO

I don't if everyone is noticing yet or not But infernal guardian breaks stealth or cloak before the mortar hits so the red ring that appears is breaking the stealth and on top of that I have. When seeing it go through walls I watched a guy on Alessia bridge sit on the opposite side of the fight standing close to the wall just spammin shields and of course the damn mortars were proving no problem I think it's a problem that needs to be addressed

HoloYoitsu

I believe every single new ability/set proc with a range/aoe component added in One Stamriel completely lacks LoS checks, which is baffling after Wrobel spent the last year adding LoS checks onto everything.

Derra

I´m fine with los checks actually. That would make the procc a lot better when fighting outnumbered and using los to seperate enemies.

fastolfv_ESO

they already changed infernal guardian right away to not break sneak, but it will go for invis and im totally fine with that. The los checks yah they need to be put in place, not asmuch for firing straight up but for going through walls and doors

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Jeez no it breaks sneak and dark cloak and it's the red ring not the actual mortar that breaks it

GreenSoup2HoT

When will us cloaking nightblades get a break am i right? Still waiting on cloak purge to come back and clouding swarm to be fixed.

Xinthisis

It breaks sneak, and cloak. If proof is needed just go into stealth and have a sorc randomly cast shields. Add that to the list of counters to stealth/invis. Don't even have to be in combat. It's crazy.

RadioheadSh0t

It does go through walls. There have been times where I'm going around the outside corner of the inner keep and I hit the quartermaster while applying a shield.

In my experience it has never broken stealth on a character I wasn't engaged with. If my guardian procs and then you go invisible but it hits you and breaks it, that is working as it should. Not saying it isn't bugged in that regard, because that is anecdotal evidence, but I've never seen it break stealth on someone when not in combat.

It bugs me that it is bugged, no pun intended, because it makes me feel cheesy running it. It's a good set for sorcs 1vX, but I'd hate to get the killing blow on someone through a wall with it. It also seems that the cooldown is either bugged or resets if all three don't go off. So, if it procs and only two go off, if I cast the shield again it will fire off three more if it procs. I've most definitely fired off five mortars consecutively before.

joe.smith21b14_ESO

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

It does go through walls. There have been times where I'm going around the outside corner of the inner keep and I hit the quartermaster while applying a shield.

In my experience it has never broken stealth on a character I wasn't engaged with. If my guardian procs and then you go invisible but it hits you and breaks it, that is working as it should. Not saying it isn't bugged in that regard, because that is anecdotal evidence, but I've never seen it break stealth on someone when not in combat.

It bugs me that it is bugged, no pun intended, because it makes me feel cheesy running it. It's a good set for sorcs 1vX, but I'd hate to get the killing blow on someone through a wall with it. It also seems that the cooldown is either bugged or resets if all three don't go off. So, if it procs and only two go off, if I cast the shield again it will fire off three more if it procs. I've most definitely fired off five mortars consecutively before.

Now I'm not sure how that fix was suppose to work but I know if the enemy is engaged in combat and I'm just watching near by it will definitely target me and on top of that like I said previously the mortar itself doesn't break stealth it is the red ring that indicates where it lands breaks stealth I wouldn't care if it launched at me and I could just simply side step it

fastolfv_ESO

had people test it already its why i said it goes through cloak but not sneak, i can chase nbs all day spamming it and finally have something to make every wanna be ganker fight back and not just pop up try to 1 shot and run away

Ashnunn

guys, it doesn't effect PVE, so don't expect a change anytime soon

Derra

Xinthisis wrote: »

It breaks sneak, and cloak. If proof is needed just go into stealth and have a sorc randomly cast shields. Add that to the list of counters to stealth/invis. Don't even have to be in combat. It's crazy.

If you´re (or one of your grpmates) not tagged as in combat with the sorc (or one of the sorcs grpmates) it won´t attack you (or atleast i´ve never managed to have it attack someone that wasn´t somehow tagged as incombat with me - given it´s basically impossible to get out of combat in cyro this is ofc not really helpful).

Ghostbane

Ashnunn wrote: »

guys, it doesn't effect PVE, so don't expect a change anytime soon

Expect a ticket from Nerien'eth after he gets fed up with failed attempts at LoS behind his pugs.

Vitaely

Infernal procs break sneak and cloak. Smiff is right, you don't even need to be hit, you'll be revealed just as the red circle appears under you. I tried moving out of it before the mortar lands, people were still able to see and attack me.

This happened 10+ times just last night when I'm sitting in stealth or running around in cloak, some large group of zerglings run past me, by chance someone casts shields and you're done for.

Edit: Note that recloaking after getting revealed doesn't make a difference, any targeted attack that people cast when they first see you will land regardless.

Drummerx04

That's weird, I tested this with an AD friend. He went dark right in front of me and didn't move and I then spammed shields and nothing. The effect did proc but it didn't target him or break him out of stealth. We tried testing it in and out of combat with each other and still it didn't go after him in stealth.

Now, there are some conditions that we didn't test for.

• He was not part of a group, so a group member in combat may yield different results
• He was a DK. Perhaps other classes have different conditions for IG to target them (this is ZOS after all)
• Ping was steady and low. Certain stealth checks may get skipped in high ping.
• Tested in the wilderness. Perhaps there is something about being in a keep that changes its behavior.

I've only ever noticed IG target nightblades that have recently cloaked and it definitely pulls them out of that, but I've also had IG target me during keep takes while I'm stealthed.

Sallington

It definitely still goes through walls, which someone brought up in beta on the PTS, with video evidence.

Conclusion: working as intended.

gangrel206

Sallington wrote: »

It definitely still goes through walls, which someone brought up in beta on the PTS, with video evidence.

Conclusion: working as intended.

I was inside a keep, i hit my shield skill before go outside to take a look and the infernal guardian proc went through the wall and hitted 15 players...i didn't even bother to take a look outside

Shalnark

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Considering how broken is the cloak already , can you please have a look at this thread?

Anazasi

add the LOS check and be done with it. Set is definitely broken at this point.

SRIBES

Not. Going. To. Let. This. Thread. Die. Out.

olsborg

Infernal guardian works basicly as an instant reveal no matter the source of your invisibility/stealth, even before it actually damages you, if it damages you at all.

Master_Kas

SRIBES wrote: »

Not. Going. To. Let. This. Thread. Die. Out.

Zerg-cerers will be angry with you.

HoloYoitsu

Master_Kas wrote: »

SRIBES wrote: »

Not. Going. To. Let. This. Thread. Die. Out.

Zerg-cerers will be angry with you.

But why? I have a dream, a dream of a day when I can hide in a cubby, drop mines, attro and start spamming shields to dps the proctatos that are chasing me w/ the cubby LOS keeping all the guardian procs right on top of me!

joe.smith21b14_ESO

SRIBES wrote: »

Not. Going. To. Let. This. Thread. Die. Out.

Thanks bud.

Master_Kas

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

SRIBES wrote: »

Not. Going. To. Let. This. Thread. Die. Out.

Zerg-cerers will be angry with you.

But why? I have a dream, a dream of a day when I can hide in a cubby, drop mines, attro and start spamming shields to dps the proctatos that are chasing me w/ the cubby LOS keeping all the guardian procs right on top of me!

Proctatos deserve it. But not the poor magblades

Minalan

SRIBES wrote: »

Not. Going. To. Let. This. Thread. Die. Out.

Yeah. Hard to setup one shot cheese build kills with smellier cheese magicka proc sets pulling you out of stealth.

Please fix this set, but leave in the instant ganking. Thanks.

hobicabobjob

Any word if ZOS is looking into this?

Thelon

hobicabobjob wrote: »

Any word if ZOS is looking into this?

You're new here, aren't you?

Esgameplaya1

hobicabobjob wrote: »

Any word if ZOS is looking into this?

Pfft!!

GreenSoup2HoT

I hope this gets fixed. Its rather annoying.

ZOS_JohanaB

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