Fresh c160 Stam NB. What am I missing here?

dbonifaci_ESO

So I'm currently C180. I have 5/5 epic marksman, full stam enchants on them. I have c160 mace/sword of agility, epic quality, bow/neck of veiled heritance, and the remaining pieces are a mix of c160 epic gear. I am sitting at like 12.5k unbuffed hp, and 23k stamina. This seems really low for full 160 gear. What am I missing, because my dps feels terrible, and I'm not sure where my next steps are to try and upgrade.

Do I have to spend months trying to get my crafting to the point I can upgrade all of it to gold gear?

ostrapz

Prolly not the best setup, what are you trying to do though

Myrrdinn2014

dbonifaci_ESO wrote: »

So I'm currently C180. I have 5/5 epic marksman, full stam enchants on them. I have c160 mace/sword of agility, epic quality, bow/neck of veiled heritance, and the remaining pieces are a mix of c160 epic gear. I am sitting at like 12.5k unbuffed hp, and 23k stamina. This seems really low for full 160 gear. What am I missing, because my dps feels terrible, and I'm not sure where my next steps are to try and upgrade.

Do I have to spend months trying to get my crafting to the point I can upgrade all of it to gold gear?

You dont have to have a single level in crafting to upgrade to gold only thing levels with accomplish is allow less materials to be used. But honestly going from purple to gold really isnt that big a difference at all on armor.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

1st is this a PvE build or PvP, second your health needs to be about 18k easily, next 180cp is not alot, find a place and start grinding, 561 is good.. and no im not an elitest just being honest.

Legendary weapons and equipment is needed at end game, rank 2 veteran dungeons and PvP, as there are many predators there just waiting to kill you that are at max cp and use legendary equipment.

if your a Stamina build, you need to get Vigor for self heals, its that good and basically mandatory..

dbonifaci_ESO

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

1st is this a PvE build or PvP, second your health needs to be about 18k easily, next 180cp is not alot, find a place and start grinding, 561 is good.. and no im not an elitest just being honest.

Legendary weapons and equipment is needed at end game, rank 2 veteran dungeons and PvP, as there are many predators there just waiting to kill you that are at max cp and use legendary equipment.

if your a Stamina build, you need to get Vigor for self heals, its that good and basically mandatory..

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

1st is this a PvE build or PvP, second your health needs to be about 18k easily, next 180cp is not alot, find a place and start grinding, 561 is good.. and no im not an elitest just being honest.

Legendary weapons and equipment is needed at end game, rank 2 veteran dungeons and PvP, as there are many predators there just waiting to kill you that are at max cp and use legendary equipment.

if your a Stamina build, you need to get Vigor for self heals, its that good and basically mandatory..

Will 561 make that big of a different for my overall stats and dps?

I am mainly playing for pvp, but I do daily dungeons for the xp and chance at better gear. What skill tree is vigor in? Also, how do I get to 18k hp? Are there some mandatory passive abilities that I need to maximize my hp?

MushmouthThomas

You just need to eat some food and you will be at 18k.

Gilliamtherogue

Your set options indicate you're having a sort of build identity crisis; 5 Marksman is only applied to PvP encounters, and bows only, so if you aren't primarily a bow user you'll want to replace it, and your PvE DPS will be extremely lack luster.

End game stats of a pure DPS build set you at ~16.7k Health with all gold gear, 561 CP, 64 points into Stamina, and a non max HP race. If you're aiming to have 18k Health outside of Cyrodiil, you'll likely want to either run a set that has at least 1 HP bonus, move some attribute points from Stamina into Health, or run a Health enchant/jewelry piece.

Make sure you consume the Bi Max Health+Max Stamina food, so you can get the most bang for your buck in health and max DPS. Consuming food buffs is considered to be "unbuffed" because there's literally no instance in which you should NOT have food or drink running.

ostrapz

You can start to compete at around 400cp but you need to Max out your undaunted and fighter guild skill lines for undaunted mettle passive and dawnbreaker. You also need Vigor heal which is in assault tree and you can get in a couple days. In my opinion your best bet is to make 5 piece body of hundings rage, mostly impenetrable trait which is good for pvp. You want to wear a monster helm and shoulder of your choice. Bloodspawn, velidreth, selene all good options. Get agility jewelry 3 piece robust and put 2 ofor 3 weapon damage glyphs and get serpent mundus. Your weapons can really be whatever, you want sharpened trait though. That won't be the best setup possible but it will get you through most pve and is a pretty basic pvp setup till you can look up sets you like

DeadRune

You need CP to hit the big numbers

Pyr0xyrecuprotite

Ways to improve:
1. Blue health+stam food (will add about 5000 to each) - if possible level up your provisioning so that you can get the passive that extends food duration for 20 min. Note that just adding 5k stam will buff your dps by around 3k.
2. Get a 3rd piece of your Agility set (ideally 3 pieces of jewelry for being permanently active), either healthy or Robust trait. If you can't afford to buy (even with prices dropping fast), Jewelry is either from the monstrous tooth vault in IC or (sometimes) from doing a random dungeon - random normal is very easy to complete normally.
3. Get up to the CP cap - should be easy with the current double xp bonus from Witches Festival and if you do a daily premium random dungeon. Getting to 561 CPs will give you something like another 1000 health, Stam and Magic, as well as increasing your benefits from passives and points in various parts of the Champion Point tree.
4. Purple gear is fine while testing out gear sets, but try to get your weapons buffed up to gold if possible, if the sets work.
5. You want to investigate the Monster two-piece sets, do some undaunted pledges, and try get something useful there. There are many useful one-piece bonus items, and many of the two-piece set bonuses are great.
6. if you are on PC, get either FTC or AUI addons so that you can get a real idea of what your DPS is like. There is a learning curve, it's not that easy. Then, practise against Giants or similar big monsters. Try out different skills. A HUGE part of improving your DPS is about using appropriate skills, in the best rotation, mixed in with animation cancelling of light attacks etc. Figure out what works for you.
7. Lookup other builds (for your class) on sites like Deltia, Tamriel Foundry and others, and check if you can get the gear sets, and try them out - when time and gold permits. Repeat the testing process.
8. Remember that PvP and PvE dps are not the same. While in a PvP situation, your damage against other players is halved; survival (good gameplay) and resource management are very important.

N0TPLAYER2

5 piece hundings medium
3/4 piece night mother
(Usually two hand and bow)
Impen for pvp or divines for pve
3 agility jewelry with weapon damage enchants
Blue food - max health and stam recovery
Weapon damage or stamina recovery Mundus
Try and level undaunted (daily dungeon missions) the Pasives give 6% more health stam and magic. 6% really does add up

You will see a vast improvement

Ps - you can ask for these items in zone chat, many people will provide these to you for gold

ArchMikem

If you want more damage on a stam character, then crafting a 5pc Hundings Rage should be looked into. Then since youre a stam NB youll want to take advantage of your crit and weapon damage bonuses . Wear all Medium armor pieces and either go with dual daggers to up your crit chance more, or use dual swords for the extra damage done, and get either the thief mundus, or the stam regen mundus.

Dont worry about your max stamina, people only get it up to 40k+ through combining a specific race with specific armor sets that are hard to come by. If you just make some max level max stamina food then youll get your max stam up to about 32k which is perfectly fine for "casual" builds.

Sirvandal

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

Try and level undaunted (daily dungeon missions) the Pasives give 6% more health stam and magic. 6% really does add up

Extra info: Undaunted pasive only works at 6% with the 5-1-1 rule so 5 medium, 1 heavy and 1 light armour piece.

dbonifaci_ESO

Thanks for the reply folks. Gonna start farming leather so I can get a hunding's rage set and work on trying to get undaunted up as well as gold weapons. What is the best way to go about getting the material needed to upgrade a weapon to gold?

Biro123

I don't agree with much of the advice here.

Firstly, purple gear is fine (but necessary imho) - the benefit of going gold is very small (apart from on weapons where the base weapon damage gets a considerable boost). So the ONLY thing worth golding at this stage is your main weapon - and even then, I wouldn't rush into it unless you are SURE you are happy with your gear choice. Its not that long since I was in the same position, and upgrading to gold is EXPENSIVE. your money will be better spent elsewhere at this stage.

CP561 is not necessary either. I refuse to spend my valuable playtime just grinding xp when I could be out doing the PVP that I want. All you need to do is get a decent build together (which will take a little grinding) - and then go out and pvp to your heart's content. I'm not saying that you won't be at a disadvantage to others - because you will - but it is definitely playable. Just don't think you can go out solo-ing 1vX-ing successfully. Staying with the zerg with a bow build should be fine. I think the pvp skills you will build up by doing that will be much more worthwhile than the CP you will get by grinding PVE over the same time.

The Undaunted passive isn't necessary either - again its another thing that is really nice to have - but it WILL help with your basic stats.

(I'm around CP300.. it goes up slowly because I mostly PVP. I have ONE gold item, and no undaunted passive - but I can solo pretty much all the soloable VET dungeons, and can solo PVP fairly successfully).


Now I'm not saying that all of the above should simply be ignored - they are worth aiming towards while and inbetween PVP-ing - but they are not a pre-requisite for any end-game content (except perhaps hard-mode trials - never tried them). I'm a big fan of developing your character while playing it - not 'finishing' it - then playing it.

So what DO you need? As others have mentioned - FOOD. If you don't have access to a provisioner, you can buy food from the PVP vendors for AP.

A planned build - now this is where you will need to do a bit of the PVE grind. Fortunately its a lot easier than it was - you just need to get to the right zone for the set you want. Grind bosses/delve bosses/dolmens - then buy the last couple of pieces from the guild vendors. Marksman is a decent set to begin with for a bow build. (been thinking of switching to a high-mobility bow-build on my stamsorc with all these destro staff ulti's around in cyro now).
Also you should look into the 2-piece undaunted monster sets (head n shoulders). You will have to do some vet dungeons for them (also check for the golden vendor in PVP). May take a while to get what you want, but in all honesty - doing this gear grind for a monster set + additional set will also net you a fair few CP's as a side-effect - and move your undaunted line on a bit - getting you closer to that nice passive.
But what you do in your build - you will have to balance max stam, weapon dmg, stam recovery (again assuming a damage-focused bow build). DO you want high burst - to do a couple of snipes then run/hide? Or do you want to be constantly plinking away at any and everyone while in and around the zerg? You'll want more regen for that.

So, once you have your gear (and a bit more CP's) and a stock of health/stam food) you should be good to roll. Just play how you want to play - so if that's PVP - then go and PVP. Only it IS worth going back into PVE land every now and then - just for some more quick XP, to progress your undaunted line, to farm a new gear set to try out, to farm mats etc...

Just be realistic. Don't expect to dominate as a new player with less experience, less-tweaked gear, less CP's etc.. If you can live with that - then you'll be fine.

Good luck out there!

dbonifaci_ESO

Seems like I can only pull like 5K dps on single target boss fights. How do people hit 20-30k?