Scathing Mage... Is it worth slotting over Julianos?

Vaoh

***IMPORTANT: It seems that Scathing Mage can only proc off direct damage attacks. NOT DoTs! Only a Magicka Nightblade has use for this set.
On Magicka Sorc it's a no go ***

I'm a Magicka Sorcerer DPS. I want to utilize two base setups unless something more powerful releases Q1 2017.

Of course you can change things up in numerous ways and slot many different sets (Aether, Burning Spellweave, Mother's Sorrow, Spinner's Garments, Grothdarr, Willpower, Skoria, etc) but these are the setups I really want to use. The issue I have is that I am not sure about one particular set in my "Group Dungeon" setup. I want to use whatever the BiS 5-piece set is for group dungeons on my Magicka Sorcerer.

Essentially I have one question - How effective is Scathing Mage over other group dungeon sets such as Julianos?

Trial Setup:

• Hat ____________ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoulders _____ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Robes _________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Gloves ________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Belt ___________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Legs __________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoes _________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Necklace ______ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Weapon 1 ______ Moondancer Lightning Staff - Increase Power - Sharpened
• Weapon 2 ______ The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff - Crushing Wall Enchant - Sharpened
• Attributes ______ 64/0/0
• Race ___________ High Elf
• Mundus ________ The Thief, The Shadow
• All gear is CP160. Head piece is Heavy - Shoulder piece is Medium - Other Armor is Light.

Group Dungeon Setup:

• Hat ____________ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoulders _____ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Robes _________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Gloves ________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Belt ___________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Legs __________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoes _________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Necklace ______ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Weapon 1 ______ Moondancer Lightning Staff - Increase Power - Sharpened
• Weapon 2 ______ The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff - Crushing Wall Enchant - Sharpened
• Attributes ______ 64/0/0
• Race ___________ High Elf
• Mundus ________ The Thief
• All gear is CP160. Head piece is Heavy - Shoulder piece is Medium - Other Armor is Light.

Please keep this specific to Magicka Sorcerers!

Mic1007

It'll give you an extra 100ish Spell Power if you Crit often enough, which usually happens. So it definitely is more powerful with a high enough uptime.

Erasure

The catch is, you need to be able to farm ICP to get it in the first place. Straight upgrades from difficult content seems correct to me, eh?

Mic1007

It is considered BiS outside of TBS in a Warhorn-ideal situation. Maybe that awesome uptime is why.

ryanborror

Vaoh wrote: »

Hold up people...... so now I need clarification

Does it procs off DoTs?

The only Dot it procs off is twisting path

DRXHarbinger

It only procs of twisting path dot (cripple is the only other so dw too much about it) With enough force pulse spam you'll have it up all the time. It's 3 chances to proc it. The magic damage proc from pulse can crit too, nerenith gains 3 chances to proc of it and can crit too, it's very very easy to sustain on a magblade. Sap in a trash mob you'll get it up straight away.

Spellweave procs off any flame attacks. My DK just drops eruption on a mob and it's done.

But op trust me scathing is well and truly worth the grief. Only downside now is its a pig to farm.

2nd boss used to drop legs and waists only but now it's everything, the drops in icp are well and truly pissed. Overfiend from recent farms drops shoes, waists and gloves. Try and plan farm and just don't rinse it over and over. After the abomination just back out. Its more time effective to go no further now. Those 3 mini bosses seems to drop more than anything a scathing resto and a sword or shoes. Don't waste your time on it. Warden just drops trash.

Tyrion87

Well, according to Asayre Scathing Mage can provide more DPS than Julianos. Here is the link:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/253979/scathing-mage-and-law-of-julianos
Some information is outdated though but the general conclusion remains unchanged I suppose.

But I would like to add that all calculations refer to an ideal situation of constant dps'ing. But what about a situation where you managed to proc scathing and then you need to buff yourself with power surge etc., cast hardened ward, dodge/block/run or simply follow the mechanics of the fight. During this time you can lose the additional SD
from scathing while SD from Julianos you have all the time.

I prefer Julianos because it is constant and up all the time which makes it useful in every situation despite the hazards of the fight.

And I don't like Xivkyn style

Vaoh

Mic1007 wrote: »

It'll give you an extra 100ish Spell Power if you Crit often enough, which usually happens. So it definitely is more powerful with a high enough uptime.

Okay.... but the reason I'm confused is because that's exactly what I was thinking. It all seems too easy.

I constantly have up Wall of Elements and Liquid Lightning while weaving Light Attacks in between every skill cast. My Force Pulse strikes three times. My Ult is another DoT. There are so many Crits going on that the uptime would be almost permanent as long as I keep up a good rotation.

This makes it clearly more powerful than Julianos, and by a good margin.

Are there any secret catches to Scathing Mage? Maybe it doesn't proc on DoTs or something else that would weaken its effectiveness? I haven't tested this set and need to confirm that it is stronger than any of the other possible alternatives for Magicka Sorcerer before grinding it out in Divines!

Vaoh

@Mic1007 @Erasure Okay ty both!

The grind begins!

Mic1007

Erasure wrote: »

The catch is, you need to be able to farm ICP to get it in the first place. Straight upgrades from difficult content seems correct to me, eh?

You can farm it on Normal. It drops cp160 now. Shouldn't take too many runs.

Vaoh

Mic1007 wrote: »

Erasure wrote: »

The catch is, you need to be able to farm ICP to get it in the first place. Straight upgrades from difficult content seems correct to me, eh?

You can farm it on Normal. It drops cp160 now. Shouldn't take too many runs.

Oh but it will

Mic1007

Well, try not soloing it. I know, dealing with people has to be the worst, but sacrifices have to be made sometimes.

Toast_STS

Vaoh wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

It'll give you an extra 100ish Spell Power if you Crit often enough, which usually happens. So it definitely is more powerful with a high enough uptime.

Okay.... but the reason I'm confused is because that's exactly what I was thinking. It all seems too easy.

I constantly have up Wall of Elements and Liquid Lightning while weaving Light Attacks in between every skill cast. My Force Pulse strikes three times. My Ult is another DoT. There are so many Crits going on that the uptime would be almost permanent as long as I keep up a good rotation.

This makes it clearly more powerful than Julianos, and by a good margin.

Are there any secret catches to Scathing Mage? Maybe it doesn't proc on DoTs or something else that would weaken its effectiveness? I haven't tested this set and need to confirm that it is stronger than any of the other possible alternatives for Magicka Sorcerer before grinding it out in Divines!

It says "When you deal direct Critical Damage, you have a 20% chance to increase your Spell Damage". I haven't tried it but the "direct critical damage" leaves me to believe it doesn't work on DoTs.

Burning Spellweaver tooltip states, " When you deal damage with a Flame Damage ability, you have a 20% chance to apply the burning status effect to the enemy and gain 600 Spell Damage" and does proc off DoTs.

UrbanMonk

Toast_STS wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

It'll give you an extra 100ish Spell Power if you Crit often enough, which usually happens. So it definitely is more powerful with a high enough uptime.

Okay.... but the reason I'm confused is because that's exactly what I was thinking. It all seems too easy.

I constantly have up Wall of Elements and Liquid Lightning while weaving Light Attacks in between every skill cast. My Force Pulse strikes three times. My Ult is another DoT. There are so many Crits going on that the uptime would be almost permanent as long as I keep up a good rotation.

This makes it clearly more powerful than Julianos, and by a good margin.

Are there any secret catches to Scathing Mage? Maybe it doesn't proc on DoTs or something else that would weaken its effectiveness? I haven't tested this set and need to confirm that it is stronger than any of the other possible alternatives for Magicka Sorcerer before grinding it out in Divines!

It says "When you deal direct Critical Damage, you have a 20% chance to increase your Spell Damage". I haven't tried it but the "direct critical damage" leaves me to believe it doesn't work on DoTs.

Burning Spellweaver tooltip states, " When you deal damage with a Flame Damage ability, you have a 20% chance to apply the burning status effect to the enemy and gain 600 Spell Damage" and does proc off DoTs.

Last i checked, it wasn't procing off DoTs...

Vaoh

Hold up people...... so now I need clarification

Does it procs off DoTs?

Vaoh

Mic1007 wrote: »

Well, try not soloing it. I know, dealing with people has to be the worst, but sacrifices have to be made sometimes.

I know I know lol.

First I need to have @ToxicPAWS and @Toast_STS comments confirmed or denied though. Makes a big difference whether I want to farm for Scathing Mage or not.

SnubbS

Spinner w/o outside buffs>
TBS w/ outside buffs>

Mush55

Scathing works better on a magic nb tested it on both sorc and mnb and I get a greater uptime 80/85% on my nb compared to about 65/70% on my sorc.

Only dot it procs off is twisting path..

Izaki

If you're a NB then definitely. If you're a sorc, you can, but you'd have only around 60% uptime. If you drop your ultimate at the right time then yes its higher DPS than Julianos. But 60% uptime means than on average you're gaining pretty much the same bonus as Julianos. I couldn't be bothered farming it so I just kept my TBS and my Julianos.

binho

Hey guys,

I can see you actually know what you're talking about here, so just a quick question in regards to scathing vs spellweave set.

On a ranged magicka nightblade my fire staff weaves will proc spellweave. I've been farming this set... should I get scathing instead? Has anyone tried both sets?
Thanks

Mush55

binho wrote: »

Hey guys,

I can see you actually know what you're talking about here, so just a quick question in regards to scathing vs spellweave set.

On a ranged magicka nightblade my fire staff weaves will proc scathing. I've been farming this set... should I get scathing instead? Has anyone tried both sets?
Thanks

binho wrote: »

Hey guys,

I can see you actually know what you're talking about here, so just a quick question in regards to scathing vs spellweave set.

On a ranged magicka nightblade my fire staff weaves will proc scathing. I've been farming this set... should I get scathing instead? Has anyone
Thanks

For a magic nb yes, now with the option of jewelery you can mix it with another set be it TBS, julianous, sorrow,
Spell waeve not to sure about,. but if in a trial guild you could mix with Aethour not tried it as i'm trying to farm rings and neck in scathing .

You just lose a monster set but I don't use a full monster set any way

Ajaxduo

Vaoh wrote: »

***IMPORTANT: It seems that Scathing Mage can only proc off direct damage attacks. NOT DoTs! Only a Magicka Nightblade has use for this set.
On Magicka Sorc it's a no go ***

I'm a Magicka Sorcerer DPS. I want to utilize two base setups unless something more powerful releases Q1 2017.

Of course you can change things up in numerous ways and slot many different sets (Aether, Burning Spellweave, Mother's Sorrow, Spinner's Garments, Grothdarr, Willpower, Skoria, etc) but these are the setups I really want to use. The issue I have is that I am not sure about one particular set in my "Group Dungeon" setup. I want to use whatever the BiS 5-piece set is for group dungeons on my Magicka Sorcerer.

Essentially I have one question - How effective is Scathing Mage over other group dungeon sets such as Julianos?

Trial Setup:

• Hat ____________ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoulders _____ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Robes _________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Gloves ________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Belt ___________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Legs __________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoes _________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Necklace ______ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Weapon 1 ______ Moondancer Lightning Staff - Increase Power - Sharpened
• Weapon 2 ______ The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff - Crushing Wall Enchant - Sharpened
• Attributes ______ 64/0/0
• Race ___________ High Elf
• Mundus ________ The Thief, The Shadow
• All gear is CP160. Head piece is Heavy - Shoulder piece is Medium - Other Armor is Light.

Group Dungeon Setup:

• Hat ____________ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoulders _____ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Robes _________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Gloves ________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Belt ___________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Legs __________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoes _________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Necklace ______ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Weapon 1 ______ Moondancer Lightning Staff - Increase Power - Sharpened
• Weapon 2 ______ The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff - Crushing Wall Enchant - Sharpened
• Attributes ______ 64/0/0
• Race ___________ High Elf
• Mundus ________ The Thief
• All gear is CP160. Head piece is Heavy - Shoulder piece is Medium - Other Armor is Light.

Please keep this specific to Magicka Sorcerers!

If you have a solid rotation and up time, Burning Spellweave > Scathing Mage > Twice Born Star > Julianos.

binho

Thanks mush55
A very straight foward answer:)

Mush55

Vaoh wrote: »

***IMPORTANT: It seems that Scathing Mage can only proc off direct damage attacks. NOT DoTs! Only a Magicka Nightblade has use for this set.
On Magicka Sorc it's a no go ***

I'm a Magicka Sorcerer DPS. I want to utilize two base setups unless something more powerful releases Q1 2017.

Of course you can change things up in numerous ways and slot many different sets (Aether, Burning Spellweave, Mother's Sorrow, Spinner's Garments, Grothdarr, Willpower, Skoria, etc) but these are the setups I really want to use. The issue I have is that I am not sure about one particular set in my "Group Dungeon" setup. I want to use whatever the BiS 5-piece set is for group dungeons on my Magicka Sorcerer.

Essentially I have one question - How effective is Scathing Mage over other group dungeon sets such as Julianos?

Trial Setup:

• Hat ____________ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoulders _____ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Robes _________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Gloves ________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Belt ___________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Legs __________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoes _________ Twice-Born Star - Max Magicka - Divines
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Necklace ______ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Weapon 1 ______ Moondancer Lightning Staff - Increase Power - Sharpened
• Weapon 2 ______ The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff - Crushing Wall Enchant - Sharpened
• Attributes ______ 64/0/0
• Race ___________ High Elf
• Mundus ________ The Thief, The Shadow
• All gear is CP160. Head piece is Heavy - Shoulder piece is Medium - Other Armor is Light.

Group Dungeon Setup:

• Hat ____________ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoulders _____ Ilambris - Max Magicka - Divines
• Robes _________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Gloves ________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Belt ___________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Legs __________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Shoes _________ Julianos or Scathing Mage - Max Magicka - Divines
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Ring ___________ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Necklace ______ Moondancer - Spell Damage - Arcane
• Weapon 1 ______ Moondancer Lightning Staff - Increase Power - Sharpened
• Weapon 2 ______ The Maelstrom's Inferno Staff - Crushing Wall Enchant - Sharpened
• Attributes ______ 64/0/0
• Race ___________ High Elf
• Mundus ________ The Thief
• All gear is CP160. Head piece is Heavy - Shoulder piece is Medium - Other Armor is Light.

Please keep this specific to Magicka Sorcerers!

For a sorc myself I'd say julianous or spell weave with aether as said magic nb gets the most out of scating, take this with a pinch of salt though as my sorc has not been used for a long time since I made my magig nb and julianous willpower and nerieth was bis

Eleusian

OP if your a Sorc you can do the first ICP boss on normal solo pretty ez might die some ( no way past tenderizer with flesh sculpter ) I usually alternate it and the first 2 bosses in wgt for reset time. Just use a pet if needed. It's easier solo if you have down time and everyone is going 100 different directions for gear with last patch.

DRXHarbinger

Eleusian wrote: »

OP if your a Sorc you can do the first ICP boss on normal solo pretty ez might die some ( no way past tenderizer with flesh sculpter ) I usually alternate it and the first 2 bosses in wgt for reset time. Just use a pet if needed. It's easier solo if you have down time and everyone is going 100 different directions for gear with last patch.

I tried that and it still ate my shield with 100 in bastion. Still hits for 18k.

ryanborror

Scathing can out perform julisnos if you have a high enough uptime. I can't remember exactly but I think it's between 55 and 70% where it beats julianos, but it is risky and you might have to run a precise weapon to help your proc chance. I would only run it on magicka nightblade using force pulse because twisting path can proc it

Luke_SkyWalrus

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

Toast_STS wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Mic1007 wrote: »

It'll give you an extra 100ish Spell Power if you Crit often enough, which usually happens. So it definitely is more powerful with a high enough uptime.

Okay.... but the reason I'm confused is because that's exactly what I was thinking. It all seems too easy.

I constantly have up Wall of Elements and Liquid Lightning while weaving Light Attacks in between every skill cast. My Force Pulse strikes three times. My Ult is another DoT. There are so many Crits going on that the uptime would be almost permanent as long as I keep up a good rotation.

This makes it clearly more powerful than Julianos, and by a good margin.

Are there any secret catches to Scathing Mage? Maybe it doesn't proc on DoTs or something else that would weaken its effectiveness? I haven't tested this set and need to confirm that it is stronger than any of the other possible alternatives for Magicka Sorcerer before grinding it out in Divines!

It says "When you deal direct Critical Damage, you have a 20% chance to increase your Spell Damage". I haven't tried it but the "direct critical damage" leaves me to believe it doesn't work on DoTs.

Burning Spellweaver tooltip states, " When you deal damage with a Flame Damage ability, you have a 20% chance to apply the burning status effect to the enemy and gain 600 Spell Damage" and does proc off DoTs.

Last i checked, it wasn't procing off DoTs...

It definitely procs off of DoTs. I use Wall of Elements and Destructive Clench on my front bar, with BSW on my backbar (I don't have BSW inferno staff yet). I get the proc instantly when I flip bars with a mob of 2.

Luke_SkyWalrus

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Luke_SkyWalrus

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