The Two-Handed weapon should cause the most bash damage.

Strider_Roshin

It's true, ever heard of the term pummeling? It originates from the word pommel; which is the hilt of a sword. A common longsword technique is to strike someone with the pommel of your weapon. Ever heard of the term mordau? It literally means "murder-blow", and it is when you invert your longsword, and use it as a hammer; mashing your opponent with the pommel or crossguard. Yet in this game, the 2H gets no such bonus. I'm not saying that the bash damage from the shield should be removed (since it was used offensively by the romans), but I do believe that the 2H should get something.

Erock25

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

It's true, ever heard of the term pummeling? It originates from the word pommel; which is the hilt of a sword. A common longsword technique is to strike someone with the pommel of your weapon. Ever heard of the term mordau? It literally means "murder-blow", and it is when you invert your longsword, and use it as a hammer; mashing your opponent with the pommel or crossguard. Yet in this game, the 2H gets no such bonus. I'm not saying that the bash damage from the shield should be removed (since it was used offensively by the romans), but I do believe that the 2H should get something.

Have you ever heard of hurricane karate chops whilst holding dagger? It literally means hurricane karate chop while holding a dagger. Dual wield should get bash dmg bonus too because reasons. Or we could just leave it on 1h&s and not try to pretend real world applications should carry over to the game.

HoloYoitsu

Disagree, my destro staff should have the highest bash dmg.

Reason: a wizard did it.

acw37162

Not even close, getting bashed full force by a shield wins your bash argument

Ahzek

Just go ask denethor which weapon deals the most bash damage ok ?

Smasherx74

Unarmed should have increased bash attack and it's own skill line

jedtb16_ESO

shield should get the most

Doctordarkspawn

Can we focus on making twohanded PVE viable before we do that?

dodgehopper_ESO

Erock25 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

It's true, ever heard of the term pummeling? It originates from the word pommel; which is the hilt of a sword. A common longsword technique is to strike someone with the pommel of your weapon. Ever heard of the term mordau? It literally means "murder-blow", and it is when you invert your longsword, and use it as a hammer; mashing your opponent with the pommel or crossguard. Yet in this game, the 2H gets no such bonus. I'm not saying that the bash damage from the shield should be removed (since it was used offensively by the romans), but I do believe that the 2H should get something.

Have you ever heard of hurricane karate chops whilst holding dagger? It literally means hurricane karate chop while holding a dagger. Dual wield should get bash dmg bonus too because reasons. Or we could just leave it on 1h&s and not try to pretend real world applications should carry over to the game.

I can see where you're going with the ridiculousness of that. Realistically speaking sword and shield should beat a dual wield scenario every time with skill/fitness of the two combatants being equal. There's a reason the front line soldiers in ancient times worse swords. There is also a reason that two-handers, pikes, etc were getting used by back/mid line soldiers as well as heavily armored units. In some respects I like a little nod at least toward realism in these games. It annoyed me greatly how woefully poorly performing heavy armor was for most of the existence of this game, particularly on the battlefield of Cyrodiil (where honestly it should function the best if you were to compare it to realism). Dual wielding as well as light/medium armor from a logical perspective are better for the 'adventurer' type, for a lot of reasons. Personally I would have liked to see some manner of benefit for the one handed sword skill line (that did not include a shield). I think there's a balance between realism and playability, andit is nice when an attempt is m

bellanca6561n

One of the first games ever created made no real world sense. How can paper beat rock?

nine9six

SnB

dday3six

The majority of weapons in ESO would not be functional in actual combat. They're just meant to look good. Then there are few examples of swords as large as the 2H ones in ESO actually being used in combat. A weapon that large is rather unwielding and as such the striking angles are limited. They were mostly ceremonial or of niche use such as un-horsing.

The hilt is the handle of a sword it's different from the pommel. And yes a pommel strike can be used but it's not common with a large two handed sword, because it's leaves the wielder very open by exposing the hands, wrists and forearms as well as being in an awkward position for follow through swings or parries. If used, and was not as a way to create space when drawing the sword, it would be with a much smaller sword like a one handed or hand and a half sword as a strike to the opponent's hands to stance break so a follow up to their head, neck, or upper arms could get through. However even that is very risky because it relies on being very close to your opponent.

Then the word is "Mordau" or in German Mordstreich or Mordschlag. It's more common name is half swording. It was a method used against armored opponents before the weapons like maces and war pick/hammers were widely used. The history of combat is a competition between weapon and armor makers to out do each other. Once weapons better used to dealing with armor were more commonplace half swording was used far less often.

MasterSpatula

Ahzek wrote: »

Just go ask denethor which weapon deals the most bash damage ok ?

What, horse?

runagate

My first /bug was reporting the insane bash damage in beta.

It made animation cancelling look like a gerbil sneeze. You could really flutter those bashes!

Makes me want to try the Jolting Arms set:

(2 items) Adds 1064 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance
(4 items) Adds 1935 Spell Resistance
(5 items) When you block an attack, you have a 50% chance to charge your arms, causing your next Bash attack to deal 5805 Shock Damage as well as granting yourself 6450 Spell Resistance for 6 seconds.

idk

Erock25 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

It's true, ever heard of the term pummeling? It originates from the word pommel; which is the hilt of a sword. A common longsword technique is to strike someone with the pommel of your weapon. Ever heard of the term mordau? It literally means "murder-blow", and it is when you invert your longsword, and use it as a hammer; mashing your opponent with the pommel or crossguard. Yet in this game, the 2H gets no such bonus. I'm not saying that the bash damage from the shield should be removed (since it was used offensively by the romans), but I do believe that the 2H should get something.

Have you ever heard of hurricane karate chops whilst holding dagger? It literally means hurricane karate chop while holding a dagger. Dual wield should get bash dmg bonus too because reasons. Or we could just leave it on 1h&s and not try to pretend real world applications should carry over to the game.

Agree. Besides, how often is one bashing other than to interrupt the target. Not really something that needs to be discussed.

Bossdonut

Bashing someone with a shield should disconnect them from the server.

TheShadowScout

bellanca6561n wrote: »

One of the first games ever created made no real world sense. How can paper beat rock?

With kindness of course!



But as to the original topic... yes, there is no extra bonus for pommel strikes. Why should there be? It was never some ultra-special attack for swordsmen, just the only decent way they could use their unwieldy long blade when combat closed to grapping range. So, be thankful the game does not take notice when any opponent is too close to strike with your sword either...
(Or any of the other unpleasent weapon use possibilities, like getting your long weapon tangled in foilage, running out of arrows, getting your axe stuck in your last opponents chestplate or seeing your sword snap into pieces when trying to parry a heavy mace...)

DRXHarbinger

Srs have you seen the Xivkyn shield? *** getting hit by one of them. A staff should come second. Gandalf proved that by killing tons of orcs with a staff one handed.