Any ZOS feedback on recent problems?

Valykc

Just curious if ZOS addressed any of these recent problems anywhere on or off site. I'm referring to:

-PROC set stacking ruining pvp
-Terrible RNG
-Training and Prosperous on Endgame gear
-adding a VMA Token System
-smart loot not working as intended


Basically 90% of the forum posts that come on a daily basis. I'm just curious if they talked about these anywhere and if they plan to fix them. I mean the Proc Set thing is really ruining PVP for some people and I'm baffled that ZOS hasn't done some hot fix for it yet or at the very least discuss how they intend on fixing it, that way the community can give there feedback on whether it would work or not/completely destroy the set via over nerfing. I recognize that ZOS has a lot on their plate, I'm just hoping for some weekly acknowledgement of issues real players are having and how they intend to fix them and don't you dare say to me "we're looking into fixing it by doing X but no ETA." I'll rage. The proc sets need to be addressed soon, it cannot wait until next patch. If you have time to fix some random npc in some town respawning instantly when killed, I do not know why you don't have the time at the very least to address these problems and let the players know you are listening. Once again, not trying to bash ZOS, sorry if I did, but it's a very frustrating situation that the players have been put in. Until then I'll be be questing throughout Tamriel. Cheers!

Vildebill

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

Valykc

Vildebill wrote: »

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

So stack 3 sets (Viper, Widowmaker, Tremorscale) that all go off at the same time and can instant kill anyone, whose not a tank, within a second, is not a problem? You can't fight that without pumping loads of health, I don't see how that's not an issue but I guess you are entitled to your own opinion so I can't debate much more on that.

Johngo0036

i killed many people using validreth and viper proc sets,
Last night I got insta killed,

At first i was a little irritated then i got the giggles as i realised this is my exact build... lolz

Vildebill

Valykc wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

So stack 3 sets (Viper, Widowmaker, Tremorscale) that all go off at the same time and can instant kill anyone, whose not a tank, within a second, is not a problem? You can't fight that without pumping loads of health, I don't see how that's not an issue but I guess you are entitled to your own opinion so I can't debate much more on that.

You can burst kill people in a lot of other ways as well if you choose to. But your regen sucks, you suck at long fights etc. I can create an Stamblade that oneshots people pretty easily by ganking, but when I fail that I get so rekd my Khajiit tail is far up my bottoms since I can't stand long fights with that build.

There's unlimited choices of how to play in PvP, learn to counter most of them to be good, not rant for nerfs as soon as you get killed by some specific build.

Valykc

Vildebill wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

So stack 3 sets (Viper, Widowmaker, Tremorscale) that all go off at the same time and can instant kill anyone, whose not a tank, within a second, is not a problem? You can't fight that without pumping loads of health, I don't see how that's not an issue but I guess you are entitled to your own opinion so I can't debate much more on that.

You can burst kill people in a lot of other ways as well if you choose to. But your regen sucks, you suck at long fights etc. I can create an Stamblade that oneshots people pretty easily by ganking, but when I fail that I get so rekd my Khajiit tail is far up my bottoms since I can't stand long fights with that build.

There's unlimited choices of how to play in PvP, learn to counter most of them to be good, not rant for nerfs as soon as you get killed by some specific build.

Ganking is one thing, proc sets are another. How do you counter stacked proc sets? I want do know how you fight a high health Stam Sorc running viper, tremor/Velidreth and black rose. The individual sets are fine but the combination is over kill, high sustain, high damage, high survivability. I don't deny that the burst is there and has always been there with other builds but this isn't a gank set, it works in open world not some out of stealth cheese combo. I don't understand how you can argue that this isn't over the top. I'm not crying for a nerf if it doesn't need it and I understand most things are a learn to play issue but this proc set stacking for instant kills is not a learn to play issue if it has no counter. The only way to really fight them is to gimp your character and sacrifice damage for more health (but eventually you'll lose because you cannot deal enough damage to cut through their resistances), kill them by ganking them or by using a proc set stack yourself.

Anyway, keep it positive, I'm trying to not get this thread closed because even if you don't agree with the Proc Set thing, you said you agree with the rest and I'd like to see them addressed as well. I get more frustrated getting prosperous drops of endgame gear than I ever will by getting wrecked by some new meta build in PVP.

Vildebill

Valykc wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

So stack 3 sets (Viper, Widowmaker, Tremorscale) that all go off at the same time and can instant kill anyone, whose not a tank, within a second, is not a problem? You can't fight that without pumping loads of health, I don't see how that's not an issue but I guess you are entitled to your own opinion so I can't debate much more on that.

You can burst kill people in a lot of other ways as well if you choose to. But your regen sucks, you suck at long fights etc. I can create an Stamblade that oneshots people pretty easily by ganking, but when I fail that I get so rekd my Khajiit tail is far up my bottoms since I can't stand long fights with that build.

There's unlimited choices of how to play in PvP, learn to counter most of them to be good, not rant for nerfs as soon as you get killed by some specific build.

Ganking is one thing, proc sets are another. How do you counter stacked proc sets? I want do know how you fight a high health Stam Sorc running viper, tremor/Velidreth and black rose. The individual sets are fine but the combination is over kill, high sustain, high damage, high survivability. I don't deny that the burst is there and has always been there with other builds but this isn't a gank set, it works in open world not some out of stealth cheese combo. I don't understand how you can argue that this isn't over the top. I'm not crying for a nerf if it doesn't need it and I understand most things are a learn to play issue but this proc set stacking for instant kills is not a learn to play issue if it has no counter. The only way to really fight them is to gimp your character and sacrifice damage for more health (but eventually you'll lose because you cannot deal enough damage to cut through their resistances), kill them by ganking them or by using a proc set stack yourself.

Anyway, keep it positive, I'm trying to not get this thread closed because even if you don't agree with the Proc Set thing, you said you agree with the rest and I'd like to see them addressed as well. I get more frustrated getting prosperous drops of endgame gear than I ever will by getting wrecked by some new meta build in PVP.

The ganking was just an example of another situational scenario. The current proc sets will be countered soon enough by some new good build which will be ranted on the next time, and so it will continue to the end of time in PvP. That's what I'm trying to say FOTM.

I have ranted so much on the RNG, vMA drops, training end gear drops that I won't be positive and constructive, so I will not even mention it anymore But like I said, totally agree there.

Valykc

Vildebill wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

So stack 3 sets (Viper, Widowmaker, Tremorscale) that all go off at the same time and can instant kill anyone, whose not a tank, within a second, is not a problem? You can't fight that without pumping loads of health, I don't see how that's not an issue but I guess you are entitled to your own opinion so I can't debate much more on that.

You can burst kill people in a lot of other ways as well if you choose to. But your regen sucks, you suck at long fights etc. I can create an Stamblade that oneshots people pretty easily by ganking, but when I fail that I get so rekd my Khajiit tail is far up my bottoms since I can't stand long fights with that build.

There's unlimited choices of how to play in PvP, learn to counter most of them to be good, not rant for nerfs as soon as you get killed by some specific build.

Ganking is one thing, proc sets are another. How do you counter stacked proc sets? I want do know how you fight a high health Stam Sorc running viper, tremor/Velidreth and black rose. The individual sets are fine but the combination is over kill, high sustain, high damage, high survivability. I don't deny that the burst is there and has always been there with other builds but this isn't a gank set, it works in open world not some out of stealth cheese combo. I don't understand how you can argue that this isn't over the top. I'm not crying for a nerf if it doesn't need it and I understand most things are a learn to play issue but this proc set stacking for instant kills is not a learn to play issue if it has no counter. The only way to really fight them is to gimp your character and sacrifice damage for more health (but eventually you'll lose because you cannot deal enough damage to cut through their resistances), kill them by ganking them or by using a proc set stack yourself.

Anyway, keep it positive, I'm trying to not get this thread closed because even if you don't agree with the Proc Set thing, you said you agree with the rest and I'd like to see them addressed as well. I get more frustrated getting prosperous drops of endgame gear than I ever will by getting wrecked by some new meta build in PVP.

The ganking was just an example of another situational scenario. The current proc sets will be countered soon enough by some new good build which will be ranted on the next time, and so it will continue to the end of time in PvP. That's what I'm trying to say FOTM.

I have ranted so much on the RNG, vMA drops, training end gear drops that I won't be positive and constructive, so I will not even mention it anymore But like I said, totally agree there.

Very true and yes, I have raged much over them as well haha

Coatmagic

Oh ZoS...

*gets out the dead horse whip*

Please DISABLE proc sets (and possibly certain skills) in PvP area (or separate it entirely) and stop messing up PvE.

*Deep breath*

Valykc

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel

Any ETA on some public statement addressing these topics?

Alucardo

Vildebill wrote: »

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

I only started QQing about proc sets when I began getting killed by people wearing them who couldn't kill me before the sets existed.

Rohamad_Ali

The real issue is proc sets not on cool down and delivering double Selene , vipers , velodreth ect .

Rohamad_Ali

Also the befoul weapon enchant on bows procing vipers ranged bug .

Valykc

I think I might just make some super cheese PVP build until something gets done lol. If you can't beat them, join them.

Cherryblossom

Valykc wrote: »

Just curious if ZOS addressed any of these recent problems anywhere on or off site. I'm referring to:

-PROC set stacking ruining pvp
-Terrible RNG
-Training and Prosperous on Endgame gear
-adding a VMA Token System
-smart loot not working as intended


Basically 90% of the forum posts that come on a daily basis. I'm just curious if they talked about these anywhere and if they plan to fix them. I mean the Proc Set thing is really ruining PVP for some people and I'm baffled that ZOS hasn't done some hot fix for it yet or at the very least discuss how they intend on fixing it, that way the community can give there feedback on whether it would work or not/completely destroy the set via over nerfing. I recognize that ZOS has a lot on their plate, I'm just hoping for some weekly acknowledgement of issues real players are having and how they intend to fix them and don't you dare say to me "we're looking into fixing it by doing X but no ETA." I'll rage. The proc sets need to be addressed soon, it cannot wait until next patch. If you have time to fix some random npc in some town respawning instantly when killed, I do not know why you don't have the time at the very least to address these problems and let the players know you are listening. Once again, not trying to bash ZOS, sorry if I did, but it's a very frustrating situation that the players have been put in. Until then I'll be be questing throughout Tamriel. Cheers!

Not been here long?

ZOS hate to communicate with the community, try Reddit or some other forum if you want to get any answers. Even then don't expect much.

Junipus

No feedback as yet, but they did remove their stupid attempt at generating good PR with their One Tamriel stories sticky.

Strider_Roshin

@ZOS_RichLambert has gotten pretty good at communicating with the community. Hopefully he'll chime in here, in order to provide us some insight as to what the devs are planning to do about the current issues in this game. Especially the Proc sets.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I got this....

These issues are very important to us and we are currently gathering feed back and information on all of them. But there is currently No ETA for changes.

kongkim

-PROC set stacking ruining pvp
Think its fun The long boring battles that never ends a worse.

-Terrible RNG
Still better than a Token system.

-Training and Prosperous on Endgame gear
Agree there that they should make it a crafting thing.

-adding a VMA Token System
No thx to this. There do not exist a more boring system then a token system.

-smart loot not working as intended
Whats not working here?

Not all people see theses things as problems. And maybe ZOS has it the same way

Stardark

kongkim wrote: »

-PROC set stacking ruining pvp
Think its fun The long boring battles that never ends a worse.

I agree, hate that PvP is about running away rather than standing and fighting

kongkim wrote: »

-Terrible RNG
Still better than a Token system.

What is wrong with a token system?

kongkim wrote: »

-Training and Prosperous on Endgame gear
Agree there that they should make it a crafting thing.

Not 100% sure on the crafting thing, but they do need to remove the useless traits

kongkim wrote: »

-adding a VMA Token System
No thx to this. There do not exist a more boring system then a token system.

Not sure how getting a training dagger when you want a sharpened bow is fun.

kongkim wrote: »

-smart loot not working as intended
Whats not working here?

I think it is because you can still get shields from DPS sets etc

kongkim wrote: »

Not all people see theses things as problems. And maybe ZOS has it the same way

Exactly. In the grand scheme of everyone who plays the game most don't come onto the forums, and most are probably perfectly happy. Real feedback is 'how many people left this month?' and 'what activities were they doing that might not be fun enough to keep them?'. Only the devs have access to that.

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I got this....

These issues are very important to us and we are currently gathering feed back and information on all of them. But there is currently No ETA for changes.

This. Any comment at all is just going to change the question from 'are you aware' to 'when are you fixing it'. They might as well stay quiet until they have something to announce. The MMO forum community has done this to themselves through immaturity.

DarkMatter909

[/quote]I get more frustrated getting prosperous drops of endgame gear than I ever will by getting wrecked by some new meta build in PVP.
[/quote]

This right here all day long!! Wasting time grinding for useless gear is way more annoying that one shot kills. I am so sick of well fitted too!

To me proc sets are no less cheesy than macros and animation cancelling.

Acrolas

War gets ugly. Deal with it.

Vildebill

Alucardo wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

I only started QQing about proc sets when I began getting killed by people wearing them who couldn't kill me before the sets existed.

Sounds like you've been outplayed Time to counter them back in some other way perhaps?

Judgedread101071

Are we playing the same game mate???
When have they ever gave us feed-back or an actuall answer about the problems in their game?
ZOS logic: if we dont address it they will eventually shut up

Valykc

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Are we playing the same game mate???
When have they ever gave us feed-back or an actuall answer about the problems in their game?
ZOS logic: if we dont address it they will eventually shut up

A man can dream my friend...

Judgedread101071

Valykc wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Are we playing the same game mate???
When have they ever gave us feed-back or an actuall answer about the problems in their game?
ZOS logic: if we dont address it they will eventually shut up

A man can dream my friend...

And there is the problem with the community by accepting their behaviour!!!
It shouldn't be a dream mate.It's their freaking job to fix problems or at least give us an answer.
Instead we have either "no ETA" or no answer at all.

Dymence

Vildebill wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

I only started QQing about proc sets when I began getting killed by people wearing them who couldn't kill me before the sets existed.

Sounds like you've been outplayed Time to counter them back in some other way perhaps?

Outplayed by gear? I thought you were supposed to get outplayed by the player! Where did I go wrong?

Vildebill

Dymence wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

I only started QQing about proc sets when I began getting killed by people wearing them who couldn't kill me before the sets existed.

Sounds like you've been outplayed Time to counter them back in some other way perhaps?

Outplayed by gear? I thought you were supposed to get outplayed by the player! Where did I go wrong?

A player is using a specific tactic, and the tactic is being enabled by using specific gear. I've never seen some gear float around and doing the job by itself without a player in it, but I rarely PvP though and might be missing something... This concept is pretty basic actually, hope you have a better understanding now how this works

AnviOfVai

Vildebill wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Since when is it a problem to stack proc sets? It's a choice of play style. When I look at all the threads QQing about these sets it seems like it's people that has been killed by someone and can't take it. There are so many possibilities to play in PvP and this is just one of them.

Other topics I agree completely with

I only started QQing about proc sets when I began getting killed by people wearing them who couldn't kill me before the sets existed.

Sounds like you've been outplayed Time to counter them back in some other way perhaps?

Outplayed by gear? I thought you were supposed to get outplayed by the player! Where did I go wrong?

A player is using a specific tactic, and the tactic is being enabled by using specific gear. I've never seen some gear float around and doing the job by itself without a player in it, but I rarely PvP though and might be missing something... This concept is pretty basic actually, hope you have a better understanding now how this works

The player hardly has to do anything, the set does it for them keep pressing triangle it will trigger sooner or later.

Edziu

Valykc wrote: »

If you have time to fix some random npc in some town respawning instantly when killed, I do not know why you don't have the time at the very least to address these problems and let the players know you are listening. Once again, not trying to bash ZOS, sorry if I did, but it's a very frustrating situation that the players have been put in. Until then I'll be be questing throughout Tamriel. Cheers!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3470640/#Comment_3470640

yep, they had time to fix dropped warden mask from blue to purple with destroying game making rollbacks per few mins after patch and make next 5h maitenance to fix it so why cant you fix those small thing what are trully annyoing most player in game? is thing like npc and ad this mask dropping in blue insted of purple, is this more important to fix taking away our day of playing than fix stupid things annyoing players in all game which is nonstop?