[New Player] Riding Skill Mechanic is bad

Oakmontowls_ESO

I wonder what the op is going to say when they see the trait research mechanic

bigboss9191

Acrolas wrote: »

It's a diminishing returns issue, not a core mechanic issue.

Assume an MMO has 10 years of life to it. Roughly 3650 days. 180 days out of that 3650 days is 4.9% of the total life of the game. You come in two years later. Roughly 2920 days. 180 days out of that is 6.2%. Come in five years late and 180 days out of 1825 is 9.9%.

If only we were so lucky. The average player probably only sees themselves sticking with a product for 24 to 36 months. 912 days. 180 days is 19.7%. Almost 20% of the time you expect to stick with the game spent training a horse on one character.

That's why the lessons are in the crown store. To counter the diminishing returns. People who come in later can still feel like they only spent a small percentage of the total remaining life of the game performing an incremental task.

Those are your options. Either pay to make up for lost time, or plan to stick around long enough to make the time training seem like a small fraction of the game's total life.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@bigboss9191

Since you acknowledged seeing people post they have done it, leveled up a horse I am going to turn this around. I have leveled up not one, but 8 horses without a complaint, including 3 in the last 6 months.

So, why do you think you should have it easier than the rest of us. Being new to the game is not the answer because everyone has been new to the game at some point and most people will not go for some entitlement answer.

As you are already aware, you can level up a horse to max in one day using what is available in the crown store. You can say it is not fair or not right, as you have, but saying it does not make you right. It was a SMART choice of Zos to add the training lessons to the crown store and your argument actually make the case for how smart it was for Zos to do so.

At the end of the day, it is your choice to level up your horse or not. If you choose to level it up you will do the daily feedings or go to the crown store. You will not be giving an easier route for leveling up your horse.

Bossdonut wrote: »

The only way to counter the stupidity is make your alts now and log in daily. Park them by the horse trainer. Takes a few min but by the time you feel like leveling them they might be at 30 speed. Makes a big difference.

As much as you want to call it stupidity, it is not and it is part of the game you have chosen to play. Additionally, Zos will not make riding skills account wide. It is not going to happen.

You are one of the very few that would probably defend such an mechanic that neither needs skill nor adding to the game experience. And not it's not a smart choice I highly doubt how many people actually used real money to buy crowns to buy horse lessons. Either they used the crowns that they had no other use from ESO plus or those who used real money for crowns for lessons I would estimate represent a 5% of total player base.

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jedtb16_ESO

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@bigboss9191

Since you acknowledged seeing people post they have done it, leveled up a horse I am going to turn this around. I have leveled up not one, but 8 horses without a complaint, including 3 in the last 6 months.

So, why do you think you should have it easier than the rest of us. Being new to the game is not the answer because everyone has been new to the game at some point and most people will not go for some entitlement answer.

As you are already aware, you can level up a horse to max in one day using what is available in the crown store. You can say it is not fair or not right, as you have, but saying it does not make you right. It was a SMART choice of Zos to add the training lessons to the crown store and your argument actually make the case for how smart it was for Zos to do so.

At the end of the day, it is your choice to level up your horse or not. If you choose to level it up you will do the daily feedings or go to the crown store. You will not be giving an easier route for leveling up your horse.

Bossdonut wrote: »

The only way to counter the stupidity is make your alts now and log in daily. Park them by the horse trainer. Takes a few min but by the time you feel like leveling them they might be at 30 speed. Makes a big difference.

As much as you want to call it stupidity, it is not and it is part of the game you have chosen to play. Additionally, Zos will not make riding skills account wide. It is not going to happen.

very much this ^^

also a mount is qol thing rather than a core game necessity.

the_man_of_steal

To have a competitive mount in PVP, you really only need 25-30 points into speed only... The mount issue you are highlighting is real, but honestly its a tiny little annoyance. I am not just about to level my 6th vet 16 and the previous 5 slow mounts were annoying but it isn't something I am highlighting that ZOS needs to fix.

Going off OP's post when he/she mentions PVP... Play some Cyrodiil for a few days and you will quickly forget about mounts entirely as the meta allows tanks to dominate with insane damage and sustain output lol

This is a really fun game I think you will enjoy it a lot despite the small flaws they still have!

charley222

yea Riding Skill are very painful
my 2 new character 338 cp run faster of my mount this so boring and painful , i just run or teleport and try to dont use my mount for now ,

MrJKurayami

they have day and night cycles in the game ... They should use them for something. Every in game day you can train your horse. That's 4 times a day, at least a little better.

MrJKurayami

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@bigboss9191

Since you acknowledged seeing people post they have done it, leveled up a horse I am going to turn this around. I have leveled up not one, but 8 horses without a complaint, including 3 in the last 6 months.

So, why do you think you should have it easier than the rest of us. Being new to the game is not the answer because everyone has been new to the game at some point and most people will not go for some entitlement answer.

As you are already aware, you can level up a horse to max in one day using what is available in the crown store. You can say it is not fair or not right, as you have, but saying it does not make you right. It was a SMART choice of Zos to add the training lessons to the crown store and your argument actually make the case for how smart it was for Zos to do so.

At the end of the day, it is your choice to level up your horse or not. If you choose to level it up you will do the daily feedings or go to the crown store. You will not be giving an easier route for leveling up your horse.

Bossdonut wrote: »

The only way to counter the stupidity is make your alts now and log in daily. Park them by the horse trainer. Takes a few min but by the time you feel like leveling them they might be at 30 speed. Makes a big difference.

As much as you want to call it stupidity, it is not and it is part of the game you have chosen to play. Additionally, Zos will not make riding skills account wide. It is not going to happen.

Sounds like you bite pillows. Willing to take it and think others should just because you're willing to take it all in. Just because you don't complain about getting a butter squash in the backdoor, doesn't mean it's ok.

Cavarka

It's like my toon. To be competitive he needs to be 561, but that takes ages. Everyone should start at 561 with set armour.

Slylok

Just make the riding skill account wide OR remove it and just have the mount level up with the player. Each level the player gets a riding points to put wherever they want.

DMuehlhausen

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Are you subbed? You can use the crowns you get to buy packs of 10 skill points.

I have done it on 4 characters, yes it isn't fun, I get being upset, but it is something you need to deal with right now.

As for the Alt character, just make said toon, park them by the stable master and log in once a day to feed. That is what I did while I played my main.

I am not bashing you at all, I would like to see some type of catch up mechanic, maybe every 12 hours or account wide riding skills.

Maybe the more characters you have the faster each one can try. So your 12th toon only has to wait 8 hours to train. If they ever expand to 20+ slots then it stops dropping at 1 hr or something.

It is annoying, but meh it's not game breaking. I mean most people log off in a major city anyway where there is always a stable.

NeillMcAttack

I have maxed out speed on a total of 7 characters. One of them is still level 3 even. And capacity on about 4 and Stam on nearly 3. And even I agree that the tedium is absolutely atrocious.

My main grip is the fact that I have tried to get others into the game, but one of the things that dissuades people is when they find out just how long it is going to take for them to have a mount as fast as mine. It really shows off a HUGE gap in progress when it is literally 60 days just for the speed, and that is if you log in every single day. It's just not realistic and understandably disheartening.

Something should be done IMO. And I don't care if means they won't sell training lessons in the CS. Surely removing, what in my opinion is the new greatest barrier for entry should be looked at as borderline essential.

EldritchPenguin

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Oh no, the game requires me to log into it for 6 months to benefit from full riding skills. What a terrible MMO mechanic to actually expect a player to play for an extended period time.....

ESO has plenty of mechanics that expect players to play for an extended period of time. Champion Points, gear grind, leaderboards, stuff like that.

MMO mechanics should entice players to log in every day, not punish them with unnecessary tedium if they don't.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@bigboss9191

Since you acknowledged seeing people post they have done it, leveled up a horse I am going to turn this around. I have leveled up not one, but 8 horses without a complaint, including 3 in the last 6 months.

So, why do you think you should have it easier than the rest of us. Being new to the game is not the answer because everyone has been new to the game at some point and most people will not go for some entitlement answer.

As you are already aware, you can level up a horse to max in one day using what is available in the crown store. You can say it is not fair or not right, as you have, but saying it does not make you right. It was a SMART choice of Zos to add the training lessons to the crown store and your argument actually make the case for how smart it was for Zos to do so.

At the end of the day, it is your choice to level up your horse or not. If you choose to level it up you will do the daily feedings or go to the crown store. You will not be giving an easier route for leveling up your horse.

Bossdonut wrote: »

The only way to counter the stupidity is make your alts now and log in daily. Park them by the horse trainer. Takes a few min but by the time you feel like leveling them they might be at 30 speed. Makes a big difference.

As much as you want to call it stupidity, it is not and it is part of the game you have chosen to play. Additionally, Zos will not make riding skills account wide. It is not going to happen.

But it's not a smart design decision in the sense that it creates new or interesting gameplay, since it doesn't add any gameplay whatsoever. All this is, and I mean all this is, is the tried-and-tested MMO method of breaking the player's legs and then selling them crutches.

Jeremy

They have already made mounts account-wide. I don't really see a good reason why the mount's attributes shouldn't be made account-wide as well.

Runs

It does not matter if I agree, or 7,000,000 other players agree.

The argument has absolutely nothing to do with players. If anyone wants this changed they need to convince ZOS why doing so would be a good BUSINESS decision. The decision to change this will be purely driven by cash. No matter how unfair, unreasonable, unimmersive... You will need to show ZOS how they could make more than they currently do by changing it. And ZOS will also need to listen. That's the only way it will change.


I know people like to keep bringing up how this is a negative for new players. We were all new players at some point, this didn't stop us from playing.

teardropphoenix

Cavarka wrote: »

It's like my toon. To be competitive he needs to be 561, but that takes ages. Everyone should start at 561 with set armour.

Your CP are account wide though right ? You don't level CP on every toon, why are we levelling riding on every toon ?

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I'd much rather they just had mounts with different stats, or mount equipment (saddles, shoes, etc) so you geared rather than levelled your mount.

Dread_Viking

i agree it is a big problem also for vet players

Valethar

Bossdonut wrote: »

The only way to counter the stupidity is make your alts now and log in daily. Park them by the horse trainer. Takes a few min but by the time you feel like leveling them they might be at 30 speed. Makes a big difference.

This is what I did. Most of my lowbie alts are maxed on carrying capacity, and at or near cap on speed.

Made a small pile of cash on each during the Halloween event, and I've been using that to level them up while I work on my two mains.