Theorycrafting a DK tank build

Zerok

I've been wondering about this since One Tamriel came out.

Would it be too much ultimate generation to use these 3 sets on a DK tank build:
- 5x Tava's favor (3 heavy, 1 light, shields)
- 5x Hide of the werewolf (3 jewelry, 1 medium, weapons)
- 2x Bloodspawn (2 heavy)

Hide of the werewolf
Tava's favor
Bloodspawn

Traits would be infused on larges pieces, sturdy on small ones, decisive on weapons. Prismatic glyphs on each piece. Crushing/absorb stamina on weapons.

Advices?

Valykc

No should work great! Though in trials I'd drop werewolf hide for Roar of Alkosh but if you're doing 4-Man Dungeons you should be good with anything. I might be wrong but I don't think you can go wrong with too much Ultimate regen.

MrTarkanian48

It will work.

You may want to look into the Dragon set though in place of WW Hide. I was debating between Dragon and WW Hide and Dragon appears to produce more frequent Warhorns. Also I like the Magic Recovery on Dragon over the weapon damage on WW Hide. But either will work.

WalksonGraves

Tavas sucks compared to shalk and ww.

Autolycus

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Tavas sucks compared to shalk and ww.

You have a bad habit of spreading nonsense. The forums are already rife with misinformation. Please do everyone a favor and research/test sets, and then back up your negative and pessimistic opinions with actual data. At least then people would have a reason to take your advice.

Zerok

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

It will work.

You may want to look into the Dragon set though in place of WW Hide. I was debating between Dragon and WW Hide and Dragon appears to produce more frequent Warhorns. Also I like the Magic Recovery on Dragon over the weapon damage on WW Hide. But either will work.

Not sure about the Dragon set. If it reduces the cost of the ultimate, won't it also reduce the total resources I get back from casting an ultimate as a DK?

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Tavas sucks compared to shalk and ww.

Why use Shalk if you're using Heroic slash

Or are you saying you should not use Heroic slash?

dodgehopper_ESO

Ultimate generation to a DK is like a song needs more cowbell.

Actually, I feel this way about tanking in general.

MrTarkanian48

Zerok wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

It will work.

You may want to look into the Dragon set though in place of WW Hide. I was debating between Dragon and WW Hide and Dragon appears to produce more frequent Warhorns. Also I like the Magic Recovery on Dragon over the weapon damage on WW Hide. But either will work.

Not sure about the Dragon set. If it reduces the cost of the ultimate, won't it also reduce the total resources I get back from casting an ultimate as a DK?

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Tavas sucks compared to shalk and ww.

Why use Shalk if you're using Heroic slash

Or are you saying you should not use Heroic slash?

@Zerok

Dragon set reduces your Ulti cost for Warhorn to 213, which is a reduction of 37 ulti.

WW Hide can only proc every 5 seconds. It likely does not have 100% uptime, but lets assume it does this would equal 1ult per second. This would mean that WW Hide would be greater than Dragon if it took you longer than 37 seconds to build a warhorn with dragon. Again, this is assuming 100% uptime, in reality it is likely in many situations that you would be hit before the 5 second buff is up, and then not hit again for 1 second or more after the buff timer expires.

However, it is easily achievable to to get warhorns in under 30 seconds. @Liofa has a video on his youtube page in which he generates a warhorn from zero to 213 in 28ish seconds.

Your resource return may be slightly less with Dragon due to lower cost, but it will be more frequent, and you will have more warhorn uptime. I run 2 BS, 5 Tava, 5 Dragon, and never have sustain issues (except maybe bad luck on vCOS with resource drains).

WW Hide is still a viable option, but in my opinion it is less effective than dragon.

@WalksonGraves @Zerok

Shalk set is bad. It provides a constant Minor Heroism buff, but you will lose the Ulti gen from Tavas. You will also lose Minor Maim from Heroic Slash (which Id assume you would drop if you ran Shalk)

By running Tava's you can still have 100% uptime of Minor Heroism by applying Heroic Slash every 9 seconds, and then stack it with Ulti Gen from Tava's. When you hit a boss with Heroic Slash, it will say "Target Immune". However, this is immunity to the snare that is applied since bosses are immune to Snare. Bosses are not immune to Minor Maim. This will help your, and your group's survivability.

WalksonGraves

I'm a nb tank so I use mirage for dodge and minor ward and shades for maim (major ward too but i use Chudan) invigorating drain for ult/heals.

I don't use heroic slash mainly because the cost/benefit isn't worth it for me.

Shalk is still not enough ult imo to waste a set slot. Tavas has high ult on paper but you need to be hit 3 times a second while your dodge is up for it to shine. I mean you don't really need to be able to use horn before the last one is done but whatever floats your boat.

MrTarkanian48

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'm a nb tank so I use mirage for dodge and minor ward and shades for maim (major ward too but i use Chudan) invigorating drain for ult/heals.

I don't use heroic slash mainly because the cost/benefit isn't worth it for me.

Shalk is still not enough ult imo to waste a set slot. Tavas has high ult on paper but you need to be hit 3 times a second while your dodge is up for it to shine. I mean you don't really need to be able to use horn before the last one is done but whatever floats your boat.

@WalksonGraves

When you dodge an attack, Tava's procs, and you gain 9 ultimate over the following three seconds. It has a 3 second cooldown, so it cannot proc 3 times in one second. It is BiS currently for ult gen on a DK tank with 2 pc Bloodspawn and 5 pc Dragon.

The more uptime on warhorn the better. What is the downside of having a warhorn rotation that is less than 30 seconds? The Major Force buff only lasts the first 10 seconds, and using Warhorn is a great resource return for DK tanks.

The OP is a DK tank build.

Between this thread and another it is obvious that you have differing opinions about tanking, which is fine. But you are spreading so much inaccurate information on these forums to the point that I feel bad for new people who may assume you know what you are talking about when you make statements like "Chudan is BiS" or "Tava's isn't worth it" or "Heroic Slash isn't cost effective".

WalksonGraves

Yeah those things are true for my build. It's drastically different from a dk tank. Heroic slash costs too much stam for the slight increase in ult gen it gives me and I have to back bar it adding about 2 seconds to my rotation. I have shades for maim so I only get half the effect.
Monster helm bis is purely subjective on build.
The downside to constant warhorn is you pass up better sets for a marginally faster ult. It lasts 30 seconds, I already generate 300 a min.

Id rather have defending warrior and Alemaxias so I can aoe dmg/heal the group when I get hit.
I mean that outweighs a 50% increase on already fast gen imo.

notimetocare

Zerok wrote: »

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

It will work.

You may want to look into the Dragon set though in place of WW Hide. I was debating between Dragon and WW Hide and Dragon appears to produce more frequent Warhorns. Also I like the Magic Recovery on Dragon over the weapon damage on WW Hide. But either will work.

Not sure about the Dragon set. If it reduces the cost of the ultimate, won't it also reduce the total resources I get back from casting an ultimate as a DK?

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Tavas sucks compared to shalk and ww.

Why use Shalk if you're using Heroic slash

Or are you saying you should not use Heroic slash?

It is only reduced per use, the over time regen will be roughly the same if you warhorn on cd.

DKsUnite

tava + shalk seems like a better combo