"Smart loot"

LinearParadox

The new "Smart Loot" system at work. Awesome.

http://imgur.com/a/uyqQPimgur.com/a/uyqQP

AzraelKrieg

Nope. That's intended. The Smart Loot system means you won't get resto staves for sets that provide buffs to something like dual wielding.

leepalmer95

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Nope. That's intended. The Smart Loot system means you won't get resto staves for sets that provide buffs to something like dual wielding.

So me getting a lich 2h axe is still acceptable?

Not exactly smart is it, more like a complete basic system.

Lord_Eomer

Just got Precise Scathing Mage 2H maul today,

Is there even a smart loot system?

MasterLenman

I got a healing staff yesterday, with a set bonus for destro staff skills. So that's certainly unusable.

RazorCaltrops

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Just got Precise Scathing Mage 2H maul today,

Is there even a smart loot system?

I have 3 Sharpened, RNG gods are so generous to me.

Kappa.

LinearParadox

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Nope. That's intended. The Smart Loot system means you won't get resto staves for sets that provide buffs to something like dual wielding.

That's not "smart" loot, that's basic reason. It's "normal" loot. It's something that should be taken for granted, something assumed to be true, common practice, etc.
You wanna call something "Smart", lets see smart, intuitive, etc. Have things really gotten so bad that we're now thankful for, and praising of, the most basic common-sense introductions? It's like cheering for a toddler succeeding at potty training; congratulations, you've progressed to doing what the entire rest of the world already does. -_-

A set has 4 weapon/stam bonuses, it should NOT drop as a staff.
A set has 4 Spell/mag bonuses, it should NOT drop as anything other than a staff/sword.

Lexynide

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Nope. That's intended. The Smart Loot system means you won't get resto staves for sets that provide buffs to something like dual wielding.

And yet on screenshot it's exactly a "resto staff providing buffs to dual wielding". Have you ever tried to actually check something you're commenting on before writing a reply?

AzraelKrieg

Lexynide wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Nope. That's intended. The Smart Loot system means you won't get resto staves for sets that provide buffs to something like dual wielding.

And yet on screenshot it's exactly a "resto staff providing buffs to dual wielding". Have you ever tried to actually check something you're commenting on before writing a reply?

If you bothered to check the screenshot it's an ice staff from the Sunderflame set. 5pc for that is "When you deal damage with a fully charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 932 Flame Damage and reduce the enemy's Physical Resistance by 3300 for 8 seconds". Nowhere does it mention dual wielding. So maybe you should check something before replying.

Lexynide

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Lexynide wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Nope. That's intended. The Smart Loot system means you won't get resto staves for sets that provide buffs to something like dual wielding.

And yet on screenshot it's exactly a "resto staff providing buffs to dual wielding". Have you ever tried to actually check something you're commenting on before writing a reply?

If you bothered to check the screenshot it's an ice staff from the Sunderflame set. 5pc for that is "When you deal damage with a fully charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 932 Flame Damage and reduce the enemy's Physical Resistance by 3300 for 8 seconds". Nowhere does it mention dual wielding. So maybe you should check something before replying.

And how exactly ice staff would be much of use in set whose all four previous effects are beneficial for stamina/blade users? Is there any class or racial passive that makes big deal out of ice staves? It's a set designed for stamina weapons since it's actually giving Weapon Damage and Weapon Critical rating bonuses. Even if we take hybrid builds into account - it will not change the picture that much, because those still have to benefit from racial or class effects. And guess what? Right: there aren't really any benefits for ice staves.

So tell me how is this much different from "resto staff with dual wield buff"?

AzraelKrieg

Lexynide wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Lexynide wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Nope. That's intended. The Smart Loot system means you won't get resto staves for sets that provide buffs to something like dual wielding.

And yet on screenshot it's exactly a "resto staff providing buffs to dual wielding". Have you ever tried to actually check something you're commenting on before writing a reply?

If you bothered to check the screenshot it's an ice staff from the Sunderflame set. 5pc for that is "When you deal damage with a fully charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 932 Flame Damage and reduce the enemy's Physical Resistance by 3300 for 8 seconds". Nowhere does it mention dual wielding. So maybe you should check something before replying.

And how exactly ice staff would be much of use in set whose all four previous effects are beneficial for stamina/blade users? Is there any class or racial passive that makes big deal out of ice staves? It's a set designed for stamina weapons since it's actually giving Weapon Damage and Weapon Critical rating bonuses. Even if we take hybrid builds into account - it will not change the picture that much, because those still have to benefit from racial or class effects. And guess what? Right: there aren't really any benefits for ice staves.

So tell me how is this much different from "resto staff with dual wield buff"?

Doing a basic attack with an ice staff still classifies as a weapon attack. It may give weapon damage and weapon crit but nowhere on the set buffs does it say "gives x damage to dual wield attacks" or "x damage to two handed attacks" which the basis of the smart loot system that ZOS implemented is designed around.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sword+Dancer+Set

(5 items) Adds 400 Weapon Damage to your Dual Wield abilities.

Sword Dancer for example will never drop Bows, 2 handed weapons, staves or shields because the 5pc buff specifically states dual wield.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spider+Cultist+Cowl+Set

(5 items) Adds 450 Spell Damage to your Destruction Staff abilities.

Spider Cultist will not drop 1 handed or 2 handed weapons, bows, shields or restoration staves as it specifically states Destruction staff. That is what is meant by the "smart loot".

Sunderflame will still drop those pieces because the set doesn't specify a particular skill line. It just broadly states "heavy weapon attacks" which include heavy attacks from staves.


From the patch notes when update 12 went live.

Sets that grant a bonus to melee damage will now drop more intelligently (i.e. a set with melee damage will no longer drop with a bow or stave).

Could ZOS have worded that better? Yes, they could have. But what they meant it to be and what you think it means are so far off base. Face it, you are wrong. Is it crap that a medium armour set still drops staves? Yes. But unless that particular set buffs a particular skill line, it's going to keep happening.

Lexynide

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Doing a basic attack with an ice staff still classifies as a weapon attack. It may give weapon damage and weapon crit but nowhere on the set buffs does it say "gives x damage to dual wield attacks" or "x damage to two handed attacks" which the basis of the smart loot system that ZOS implemented is designed around.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sword+Dancer+Set

(5 items) Adds 400 Weapon Damage to your Dual Wield abilities.

Sword Dancer for example will never drop Bows, 2 handed weapons, staves or shields because the 5pc buff specifically states dual wield.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spider+Cultist+Cowl+Set

(5 items) Adds 450 Spell Damage to your Destruction Staff abilities.

Spider Cultist will not drop 1 handed or 2 handed weapons, bows, shields or restoration staves as it specifically states Destruction staff. That is what is meant by the "smart loot".

Sunderflame will still drop those pieces because the set doesn't specify a particular skill line. It just broadly states "heavy weapon attacks" which include heavy attacks from staves.


From the patch notes when update 12 went live.

Sets that grant a bonus to melee damage will now drop more intelligently (i.e. a set with melee damage will no longer drop with a bow or stave).

Could ZOS have worded that better? Yes, they could have. But what they meant it to be and what you think it means are so far off base. Face it, you are wrong. Is it crap that a medium armour set still drops staves? Yes. But unless that particular set buffs a particular skill line, it's going to keep happening.

While I appreciate the fact that you've finally took effort to analyze the matter and not just say "works as intended, ZOS is the best company in the world", you're still missing the point. Just because it can be triggered at all does not mean it's a good combo. You still haven't referred the primary issue - that no one in the right mind would want ice staff over bow, melee weapons or even a fire staff (for some kind of exotic hybrid build) in such set.

Face it, you are wrong. Is it crap that a medium armour set still drops staves? Yes.

How to contradict yourself 101: Tell your opponent that he is wrong and then state his point right away.

boldscot

The so called "smart loot" system is a joke, half assed lazy design and implementation.
Can anyone tell me why anyone would want 2 sharpened Spriggon resto staves?

Dorrow

What is an addon that shows style of the item?

idk

I hear all of this. I got a sharpened aether sword this past weekend. Not so smart.

Junipus

Lexynide wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Doing a basic attack with an ice staff still classifies as a weapon attack. It may give weapon damage and weapon crit but nowhere on the set buffs does it say "gives x damage to dual wield attacks" or "x damage to two handed attacks" which the basis of the smart loot system that ZOS implemented is designed around.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sword+Dancer+Set

(5 items) Adds 400 Weapon Damage to your Dual Wield abilities.

Sword Dancer for example will never drop Bows, 2 handed weapons, staves or shields because the 5pc buff specifically states dual wield.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spider+Cultist+Cowl+Set

(5 items) Adds 450 Spell Damage to your Destruction Staff abilities.

Spider Cultist will not drop 1 handed or 2 handed weapons, bows, shields or restoration staves as it specifically states Destruction staff. That is what is meant by the "smart loot".

Sunderflame will still drop those pieces because the set doesn't specify a particular skill line. It just broadly states "heavy weapon attacks" which include heavy attacks from staves.


From the patch notes when update 12 went live.

Sets that grant a bonus to melee damage will now drop more intelligently (i.e. a set with melee damage will no longer drop with a bow or stave).

Could ZOS have worded that better? Yes, they could have. But what they meant it to be and what you think it means are so far off base. Face it, you are wrong. Is it crap that a medium armour set still drops staves? Yes. But unless that particular set buffs a particular skill line, it's going to keep happening.

While I appreciate the fact that you've finally took effort to analyze the matter and not just say "works as intended, ZOS is the best company in the world", you're still missing the point. Just because it can be triggered at all does not mean it's a good combo. You still haven't referred the primary issue - that no one in the right mind would want ice staff over bow, melee weapons or even a fire staff (for some kind of exotic hybrid build) in such set.

Face it, you are wrong. Is it crap that a medium armour set still drops staves? Yes.

How to contradict yourself 101: Tell your opponent that he is wrong and then state his point right away.

The primary point being made wasn't that no-one would want it, but that such items make sense from ZOS' implementation of their smart loot system. You can argue that it makes no sense and we'll be right next to you arguing the same thing, but using the example in this thread as evidence that ZOS' smart loot system doesn't work misses the point on how their smart loot system does work.

Nahz

I got a necropotence bow last night. That's what the itemization team considers smart...

Lava_Croft

ZOS logic best logic.

Destruent

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

I hear all of this. I got a sharpened aether sword this past weekend. Not so smart.

What's wrong with sharpened/precise aether swords? Mageblades and templars love them...

to OP: as long as the 5pc can be technically used with the weapon it will drop. Not what i'd call smart...but ZOS does so...