Best armor to have Spriggan armor or automaton or red mountain set?

KrewX

So I'm trying to have high damage and sustain as a dps stamina dk I'm considering going 5 spriggan 5 hundings but idk really I'm currently running 3agility 5 hundings and 2 validreth.

BlanketFort

Hey there!

Perhaps this might help? It's not a very long discussion, but it does have some info on Spriggan's... whether it's good or bad. Just thought I'd share it with you and maybe it will lead you somewhere...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/298782/which-set-gear-to-go-for-stamdk-dps#latest

I run a Redguard StamDK, too. I have settled on 5pc Hundings and 5pc Red Mountain until I can farm for 5pc VO (which will then replace Red Mountain) for when I am fully grown up (I'm currently only at 180cp). Lost the thread about Red Mountain, but it was discussed that Red Mountain can be good for when your DPS is below 40k.
Not a genius in this area, but ever since I ran with this set, my performance has improved.

EDIT: it just dawned on me, that I simply assumed you were running a DK. Sorry, then, if it is otherwise and my contribution was of no use to you :-/

DRXHarbinger

2 veli, 5 red, 5 viper. Epic constant damage and crit. No need for VO. Wipes people in pvp and lights up most things in pve. Trial leaders may complain about it but they haven't tried it and not read up on it on a hero yt video.

SienneYviete

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

2 veli, 5 red, 5 viper. Epic constant damage and crit. No need for VO. Wipes people in pvp and lights up most things in pve. Trial leaders may complain about it but they haven't tried it and not read up on it on a hero yt video.

Not really, like stated above proc damage only really helps people that have low baseline dps as rotation doesn't matter as much because your procs take care of everything with passive damage. TBS outperforms it by a mile in any type of trial setting with a proper flawless rotation and raid buffs. Not to say it's not useable as proc sets are the standard of pvp right now and I don't think I would boot someone out of a trial if they were wearing it also, it's just the parses I can do wearing tbs greatly outperform what is capable with red mountain or viper and if those sets are what is required to get your dps high then so be it. Also most theory crafting by proper pve raid groups is not taken from a youtube video it's the math we look at to decide bis/meta whatever you wish to call it as maths doesn't lie.

SkylarkX

I wouldn't write off Spriggan's completely. I'm using it now with 5pc twice born and 2pc Kra'gh and my dps is above 25k @ 300cp (self buffed).

The argument against it mainly comes from the perspective of organised trials group where other group members will be running gear and abilities that debuff the bosses resistance, so Spriggan's loses it's value over other sets.

If you're running pledges, vMA, vDSA, and overland pve content I would say Spriggan's is still an excellent set (it cuts through mobs like a hot knife through butter).

DRXHarbinger

Maths doesn't lie. But Tbs isn't optimised in 99% of raids and everyone forgets that warhorn requires you to be within 20m of the person activating it, good luck getting a solid rotation of the twins in vMoL when you're group is so split up and changing around all the time. Epic waste of time. One thing these sets are good for it the end of a fight when resources are low. The procs are effortless. Towards the end dk's are poor at sustain, no magika = no stam, no stam no ulti and you're just heavy attacking and going slow.

Tbs doesn't outperform everything by a mile. I've already ditched it on my magdk for spell weave, both tool tips on each set have whip down for 7.5k. Spell weave proc it crits for 14400. Same power as what Tbs would give. Only difference is I have to wait a mere 4s for it to work and grothdarr procs it too I have it up all the time it can be and it does immensely more damage.

Also op to answer your question don't use automaton on a DK. It won't boost claw, it's ideal for stam sorc but not DK.

SienneYviete

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Maths doesn't lie. But Tbs isn't optimised in 99% of raids and everyone forgets that warhorn requires you to be within 20m of the person activating it, good luck getting a solid rotation of the twins in vMoL when you're group is so split up and changing around all the time. Epic waste of time. One thing these sets are good for it the end of a fight when resources are low. The procs are effortless. Towards the end dk's are poor at sustain, no magika = no stam, no stam no ulti and you're just heavy attacking and going slow.

Tbs doesn't outperform everything by a mile. I've already ditched it on my magdk for spell weave, both tool tips on each set have whip down for 7.5k. Spell weave proc it crits for 14400. Same power as what Tbs would give. Only difference is I have to wait a mere 4s for it to work and grothdarr procs it too I have it up all the time it can be and it does immensely more damage.

Also op to answer your question don't use automaton on a DK. It won't boost claw, it's ideal for stam sorc but not DK.

If you have bad uptime on warhorns during the twins then you need to kick your healers and tanks arses, with solid communication and 4 x warhorns running on a rotation there should never be an issue even during the splits, this fight should not be a chaotic free for all. I'm not sure where you're getting the issue of stam dk having resource problems I have never had to heavy attack for resources with my trial group and if I did I could break it down to one of a couple of problems ie healers not being geared correctly or having the correct skills slotted and used at the right time or me being stupid and wasting resources placing double dots or spamming skills that I shouldn't be.

Tbs combined with VO gives endless sustain even in a straight burn scenario on rakkhat for example, the hulks give enough return and it's always advised as a DK to run igneous shield on your backbar especially in hard mode where the damage is alot higher and more constant. My magicka setup is like yours because the meta has swung a different way when compared to stamina builds, now we have spellweave which can also be combined with twice born star or grothdarr or scathing mage for maximum dps so it's not so simple as there is no stamina equivalent to burning spellweave.

I do however get what you're saying regarding general trial group optimization and i'm probably spoiled in the fact that these things are generally sorted in advance.

Apologies to the op for the derail, I would have to agree with DRX though as it looks like you're just jumping into pve stam DK and his setup would probably be ideal for you to allow you to get good parses while learning your rotation. As for my setup I still run my trusty 5 x TBS 5 x VO with VMA weapons and just swap out my two pieces of VO for kraghs on bosses and it works extremely well.

KrewX

I see these are all very helpful so spriggan should
Mainly be for pvp and vma. What do you guys think about the undaunted passive? I'm doing heavy helm and light shoulder. Also I should probably farm VO right I heard it's 3 passive is stronger than agility rings I might just try to do 5 hundings 5 VO and maelstrom. And I am a stamina dk!

Mutagem

I feel like Spriggan is bugged or something, Others were saying the same. I was comparing red mountain swords sharpened 5/5 set piece to same thing 2 swords sharpened spriggan 5/5 set piece and the DPS was honestly about the same when red mountain didn't proc...kinda dissapointing

Edit: Was testing it via rapid strikes no buffs against dwemer centurions until they killed me for 25-30 second intervals

Erock25

Mutagem wrote: »

I feel like Spriggan is bugged or something, Others were saying the same. I was comparing red mountain swords sharpened 5/5 set piece to same thing 2 swords sharpened spriggan 5/5 set piece and the DPS was honestly about the same when red mountain didn't proc...kinda dissapointing

Edit: Was testing it via rapid strikes no buffs against dwemer centurions until they killed me for 25-30 second intervals

I just hooked up a spriggans set for vMA and I am seeing huge dmg increases. Not using weapons though, just 5 armor.

Mutagem

Erock25 wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

I feel like Spriggan is bugged or something, Others were saying the same. I was comparing red mountain swords sharpened 5/5 set piece to same thing 2 swords sharpened spriggan 5/5 set piece and the DPS was honestly about the same when red mountain didn't proc...kinda dissapointing

Edit: Was testing it via rapid strikes no buffs against dwemer centurions until they killed me for 25-30 second intervals

I just hooked up a spriggans set for vMA and I am seeing huge dmg increases. Not using weapons though, just 5 armor.

maybe the weapons are bugged?? Someone was saying the spriggan dagger you get from a quest was bugged too so I dunno. Good to hear though!