Magplar Build Help: Dire Need of Recovery

ArchMikem

Originally I was using the 3 piece bonuses of Transmutation to get that additional recovery, but I decided instead of go with a craftable set and changed it out with a 3 piece Magnus which dropped one Recovery bonus for a Max Magic one, however my character's Recovery dropped down to 930 which after doing some PvP was abhorrent. I bought a couple of Recovery glyphs to enchant my jewelry with, but I'm too worried about losing my Spell Power by doing so. (Btw NOBODY is selling Recovery glyphs its odd, and the ones who are, charging up the butt...)

Is it practical to sacrifice Spell Power in order to have better sustain?



This is unbuffed, (with food though) and with one ring enchanted with Recovery, so now it's up to almost 1200 but I lost 130 Spell Power. Should I go ahead and enchant the other Ring with Recovery? Is there a better easily obtained set out there somewhere I could substitute now that 1Tam is out?

My build:

6 Light, 1 Heavy
5pc Julianos
3pc Magnus
3pc Willpower

Gold Inferno Destro Staff, Weapon Damage Enchant

70ish CP into Increased Recovery
70ish CP into Reduce Spell Cost

Thief Mundus

Calboy

Try the new food which gives health magicka and mag recovery

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Never switch out the spell damage glyphs.


Put all CP into reduced cost (100) then the rest into regenand then use the food that gives you max health/ mana regen and use all your armor for spell damage/max magic. Go 5/1/1 to maximize your undaunted and to get some of the passives from medium, the sneak cost reduction is only like 4% but in PvP that is useful.


Then switch out the julinanos with kragernacs it is much better for PvP for temps. Use one piece kena and 2 pieces of torugs pact. With the tegen food,. This ought to leave you with like 2.5k unbuffed spell damage and around 30k magic with around 1.6k mana regen.

You use channeled focus? That is another 480 regen for 20ish seconds, plus armor and Major mending.

kaithuzar

Worm cult

WhiteMage

Atronach mundus will go a long way. Don't be using that silly Thief mundus in PvP.

As mentioned above, Kagrenac's Hope is wholly superior to Julianos for a magplar in PvP. You sacrifice a small amount of spell damage and gain health and regen.

ArchMikem

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Never switch out the spell damage glyphs.

Put all CP into reduced cost (100) then the rest into regenand then use the food that gives you max health/ mana regen and use all your armor for spell damage/max magic. Go 5/1/1 to maximize your undaunted and to get some of the passives from medium, the sneak cost reduction is only like 4% but in PvP that is useful.

Then switch out the julinanos with kragernacs it is much better for PvP for temps. Use one piece kena and 2 pieces of torugs pact. With the tegen food,. This ought to leave you with like 2.5k unbuffed spell damage and around 30k magic with around 1.6k mana regen.

You use channeled focus? That is another 480 regen for 20ish seconds, plus armor and Major mending.

I don't do Pledges, my Undaunted isn't even near unlocking that passive. And Kagrenac's is an 8 trait set, my pieces are still only on 6 traits so getting all those done will take weeks. I need to look into Channeled Focus though, I don't even think I've morphed it yet.

WhiteMage wrote: »

Atronach mundus will go a long way. Don't be using that silly Thief mundus in PvP.

As mentioned above, Kagrenac's Hope is wholly superior to Julianos for a magplar in PvP. You sacrifice a small amount of spell damage and gain health and regen.

My Templar heavily relies on Crit hits in order to do any kind of effective damage though. The disparity between a crit and normal hit is depressing, and the only reason I go into Cyrodiil with my Templar in the first place is to utilize my Crit damage.

Lieblingsjunge

Change out Thief for Atronach mundus and your sustain-issues should fix itself :>

Joy_Division

• Your stats seem low for having a food buff up.
• Crit damage is inefficient in Cyrodiil because of Impenetrable; No question Atro > Thief if you are stuggling with regen.
• Krag's is better than Julianos. Ask (or pay) someone to make you a set.
• You have a glass cannon setup with low crit resist, low regen, and high crit. But those stats don't hit very hard so that would be my guess as to why you are asking for help.

ArchMikem

Joy_Division wrote: »

• Your stats seem low for having a food buff up.
• Crit damage is inefficient in Cyrodiil because of Impenetrable; No question Atro > Thief if you are stuggling with regen.
• Krag's is better than Julianos. Ask (or pay) someone to make you a set.
• You have a glass cannon setup with low crit resist, low regen, and high crit. But those stats don't hit very hard so that would be my guess as to why you are asking for help.

My unbuffed max magic is 28k, with all magic glyphs on my armor. Im definitely not that guy that has a 40k pool.

ryanborror

I had this problem too. What is your race? I switched to kagrenac until I got more Cp and my undaunted up. Use channeled Focus and harness magic. Slot repentance for recovery. Atronach will help a lot but I never used it. Vampirism is something to consider for supernatural recovery what do you intend to do with this character?

ArchMikem

ryanborror wrote: »

I had this problem too. What is your race? I switched to kagrenac until I got more Cp and my undaunted up. Use channeled Focus and harness magic. Slot repentance for recovery. Atronach will help a lot but I never used it. Vampirism is something to consider for supernatural recovery what do you intend to do with this character?

I play Khajiit characters to which i know are not suited for magic, and this character is my main, i do everything with it.

Mush55

Fothgar drink is your friend (or however it is spelt)

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Mush55 wrote: »

Fothgar drink is your friend (or however it is spelt)

this. it is better the max spell damage on your armor, jewelry and mundas, then to use the atro or put regen glyphs on your jewelry or use an armor set like sudser or lich. when you use the Max health/mana regen food, it will give more recovery then the atro, 300ish vs 460, and you get to keep the thief.

other then that @Joy_Division covered everything in a succinct matter and it is up to you to decide whether or not to follow the good advice you have been given in this thread.

ArchMikem

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

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Mush55 wrote: »

Fothgar drink is your friend (or however it is spelt)

this. it is better the max spell damage on your armor, jewelry and mundas, then to use the atro or put regen glyphs on your jewelry or use an armor set like sudser or lich. when you use the Max health/mana regen food, it will give more recovery then the atro, 300ish vs 460, and you get to keep the thief.

Is it worth the loss of the extra max magic though? Most people's "must have" builds usually get up around 40k in their pools yet I'm only able to manage at best 32 - 34k with food. Without a Max magic buff from food then I'd only have around 27k and that would hurt my ability damage.

Lexxypwns

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Never switch out the spell damage glyphs.


Put all CP into reduced cost (100) then the rest into regenand then use the food that gives you max health/ mana regen and use all your armor for spell damage/max magic. Go 5/1/1 to maximize your undaunted and to get some of the passives from medium, the sneak cost reduction is only like 4% but in PvP that is useful.


Then switch out the julinanos with kragernacs it is much better for PvP for temps. Use one piece kena and 2 pieces of torugs pact. With the tegen food,. This ought to leave you with like 2.5k unbuffed spell damage and around 30k magic with around 1.6k mana regen.

You use channeled focus? That is another 480 regen for 20ish seconds, plus armor and Major mending.

The bolded parts are 100% wrong and horribly inefficient, particularly for pvp.

Lexxypwns

WhiteMage wrote: »

Atronach mundus will go a long way. Don't be using that silly Thief mundus in PvP.

As mentioned above, Kagrenac's Hope is wholly superior to Julianos for a magplar in PvP. You sacrifice a small amount of spell damage and gain health and regen.

nonononono

the crit from julianos not only provides great damage but also buffs our crit healing(edit: this allows for less spamming of heals, which can help make up for the loss of recovery, even though crit chance > recovery if you get your sustain elsewhere in the build), for this reason, Julianos is so vastly superior to kags that its not even worth considering kags unless you need the res speed bonus or build inefficiently in other parts of your build and you have to have the regen

Cronopoly

Lexxypwns wrote: »

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WhiteMage wrote: »

Atronach mundus will go a long way. Don't be using that silly Thief mundus in PvP.

As mentioned above, Kagrenac's Hope is wholly superior to Julianos for a magplar in PvP. You sacrifice a small amount of spell damage and gain health and regen.

nonononono

the crit from julianos not only provides great damage but also buffs our crit healing(edit: this allows for less spamming of heals, which can help make up for the loss of recovery, even though crit chance > recovery if you get your sustain elsewhere in the build), for this reason, Julianos is so vastly superior to kags that its not even worth considering kags unless you need the res speed bonus or build inefficiently in other parts of your build and you have to have the regen

With many running Impen in PVP, I see less use for Julianos in PVP from the Crit aspect, and as a Magplar, healing is not a concern anyways with Major mending. I prefered 5 Heavy Kags / 5 Transmutation (2 Light, 3 jewelry) on my Templar for PVP group duties and had no problems with regen at all. High Elf though.

It's not too expensive to change your race with the crown store. High Elf will get your regen cooking as well as Atronach Mundus. Problem solved.

Mush55

ArchMikem wrote: »

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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Mush55 wrote: »

Fothgar drink is your friend (or however it is spelt)

this. it is better the max spell damage on your armor, jewelry and mundas, then to use the atro or put regen glyphs on your jewelry or use an armor set like sudser or lich. when you use the Max health/mana regen food, it will give more recovery then the atro, 300ish vs 460, and you get to keep the thief.

Is it worth the loss of the extra max magic though? Most people's "must have" builds usually get up around 40k in their pools yet I'm only able to manage at best 32 - 34k with food. Without a Max magic buff from food then I'd only have around 27k and that would hurt my ability damage.

Well one way to look at it is you may lose magic and a bit of sp but it will be made up by being able to cast for a lot longer so the benefits out weigh the negatives.

Simple way is to try it fothgar not to expensive to buy.

Gargath

OP regarding magicka recovery maybe think about changing Willpower jewellery and 2 pcs. Magnus for Shroud of the Lich set. If only you could have the luck to get the Lich Jewellery. I use this set on my healer with base 2k mag regen and I'm never out of magicka .

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Lexxypwns wrote: »

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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Never switch out the spell damage glyphs.


Put all CP into reduced cost (100) then the rest into regenand then use the food that gives you max health/ mana regen and use all your armor for spell damage/max magic. Go 5/1/1 to maximize your undaunted and to get some of the passives from medium, the sneak cost reduction is only like 4% but in PvP that is useful.


Then switch out the julinanos with kragernacs it is much better for PvP for temps. Use one piece kena and 2 pieces of torugs pact. With the tegen food,. This ought to leave you with like 2.5k unbuffed spell damage and around 30k magic with around 1.6k mana regen.

You use channeled focus? That is another 480 regen for 20ish seconds, plus armor and Major mending.

The bolded parts are 100% wrong and horribly inefficient, particularly for pvp.

Okay, I am willing to change my mind but I need more information that the fact I am wrong. Through my own testing, I have found this is the best way to get max regen and spell damage. I used blue health magic food with regen on the armor sets, IE transmutation and kragernac, this resulted in less healing and recovery then say torags/kena/willpower + krags with the max health/ mana recovery food. To be fair, I didn't try to change my mundas because the thief is just too good for heals and damage, thought to be fair, the crit damage is kind of a wash in PvP but is still useful.


Then there is the CP in cost reduction or regen, well at max CP, I have 16% cost reduction with 100 CP into it and 22.7% regen increase with 87 CP into it, if you do the math, you actually save more magic then you would get from the 13 extra cost into the regen, depending on the skills you use, which as a Templar, you really need to reduce the cost of breath as much as you can, as it one of the most expensive skills in the game.

ArchMikem wrote: »

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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Mush55 wrote: »

Fothgar drink is your friend (or however it is spelt)

this. it is better the max spell damage on your armor, jewelry and mundas, then to use the atro or put regen glyphs on your jewelry or use an armor set like sudser or lich. when you use the Max health/mana regen food, it will give more recovery then the atro, 300ish vs 460, and you get to keep the thief.

Is it worth the loss of the extra max magic though? Most people's "must have" builds usually get up around 40k in their pools yet I'm only able to manage at best 32 - 34k with food. Without a Max magic buff from food then I'd only have around 27k and that would hurt my ability damage.

I don't know how you only have 27k without food. What race are you? You really need to switch all your enchants to max magic. PvP is a satain game, especially for temps, we do t really have any burst damage, so we need to survive longer then the burst and out live the opponent, we do this through our healing, which is perfectly increased by two ability's that you ought to have on you bar anyways, those being channeled focus, for the mana regen and the major armor buffs and extended ritual, for the heal over time and more importantly, the 5 debuff removal on cast.

To directly answer your question, yes, as I explained earlier in this post, my testing showed that you get more damage and higher heals with spell damage and max magic from armor and your regen from the food, which is buffed by all the CP you have into regen.

ArchMikem

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

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Mush55 wrote: »

Fothgar drink is your friend (or however it is spelt)

this. it is better the max spell damage on your armor, jewelry and mundas, then to use the atro or put regen glyphs on your jewelry or use an armor set like sudser or lich. when you use the Max health/mana regen food, it will give more recovery then the atro, 300ish vs 460, and you get to keep the thief.

Is it worth the loss of the extra max magic though? Most people's "must have" builds usually get up around 40k in their pools yet I'm only able to manage at best 32 - 34k with food. Without a Max magic buff from food then I'd only have around 27k and that would hurt my ability damage.[/quote]

I don't know how you only have 27k without food. What race are you? You really need to switch all your enchants to max magic. PvP is a satain game, especially for temps, we do t really have any burst damage, so we need to survive longer then the burst and out live the opponent, we do this through our healing, which is perfectly increased by two ability's that you ought to have on you bar anyways, those being channeled focus, for the mana regen and the major armor buffs and extended ritual, for the heal over time and more importantly, the 5 debuff removal on cast.

To directly answer your question, yes, as I explained earlier in this post, my testing showed that you get more damage and higher heals with spell damage and max magic from armor and your regen from the food, which is buffed by all the CP you have into regen.


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I play Khajiit characters, so obviously i dont get any magic race passives. All my armor enchants are max magic yes. I havent been able to morph Rune cause its on my back bar which is rarely ever selected when i earn xp. Id need to do some grinding, or go on pledge runs with my guild as the healer.

ArchMikem

Tried to solo farm the Lich set on my Nightblade. I got past the first boss, but the Corpse Master or whatever he was wiped me. Got him down to 600k health at best. Three deaths and all i get is a well fitted sash of the Lich. guess i need to ask my guild.