Anti-meta Turtle Shatterer build.

Julianos

Finally found 2x spriggan mace and made a high physical penetration build.

3x spriggan purple jewelry
2x spriggan sharpened maces gold
5x hunding's rage
1x bloodspawn
1x kena or Velidreth's
1x maelstorm bow

Physical Penetration: 3314 from cp+3907 from spriggan+5160 from sharpened traits+5280 from surprise attack debuff + %20 from twin blade and blunt passive = 21.193 armor penetration

1600 stamina regen
3685 weapon damage (buffed) 4185 weapon damage when weapon enchants procs
%65 crit chance
35k stam
2500 crit resistance

Happy turtle hunting

Alucardo

Replace 5 Hundings with Sunderflame or Night Mothers if you want to strip them even more, though considering your penetration right now I don't think it's needed..

glavius

I wonder if thats how the twin blade and blunt passive really works

DocFrost72

glavius wrote: »

I wonder if thats how the twin blade and blunt passive really works

I was under the impression it was a percent of your enemies' armor. IE, if your enemy has 30k armor, 10 percent would ignore 3000 resistance.

Reorx_Holybeard

DocFrost72 wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

I wonder if thats how the twin blade and blunt passive really works

I was under the impression it was a percent of your enemies' armor. IE, if your enemy has 30k armor, 10 percent would ignore 3000 resistance.

That's it. The actual skill text reads:

Each mace causes your attacks to ignore 10% of an enemy's Physical Resistance.

The mitigation equation is complicated but is:

Mitigation = ((Resist - Debuff) * %Penetration - FlatPenetration) / (Level * 1000)

So if we look at the resulting resistance of a player at cap:

• Resist = 33500
• Debuff = 5280 (could be more if you include some other sources)
• %Penetration = 20%
• FlatPenetration = 3314 + 3907 + 5160 = 12381
• Resulting Resistance = 10195 (loss of 23,305)

Using these stats it looks like any target with a resistance under 20756 will have it reduced to 0. Pretty interesting...

Kutsuu

Not that this is bad, but I have a feeling you'll get more average damage on most builds using something more like:

5x Alchemist
3x Agility
2x Monster (either Kena+Kra'gh or a 2-piece like Selene)
2x Leki in DW

Thanks to Kra'gh, sharpened, maces, and CP you can still get a great amount of penetration, and having a MUCH higher base weapon damage is more for you to amplify with your buffs/debuffs.

Obviously Alchemist won't be the best for longer fights... you could always do Hundings instead if you want to have more consistent damage, but killing these heavy armor builds is about burst.

DeadlyRecluse

The sad part is, you'd be better of killing the heavy armor procstackers by just running the same build : /

It's not rock-paper-scissors, its rock-rock-rock now, with the occasionally healer. : P

runagate

I'd always used Twice-Fanged Serpent for this purpose, although I'm not terribly happy it's now a 5-piece set. The 3-piece bonus was their appeal.

(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 688 Weapon Critical
(5 items) When you deal damage, your Physical Penetration is increased by 1000 for 3 seconds, stacking up to 5 times

Strider_Roshin

runagate wrote: »

I'd always used Twice-Fanged Serpent for this purpose, although I'm not terribly happy it's now a 5-piece set. The 3-piece bonus was their appeal.

(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 967 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 688 Weapon Critical
(5 items) When you deal damage, your Physical Penetration is increased by 1000 for 3 seconds, stacking up to 5 times

Yeah they need to make a 3 piece penetration set IMO. It's a shame your only 3 piece options in this game are Agility, Willpower, and Endurance.

We need new 3-piece jewelry sets that grant spell penetration, armor penetration, and something beneficial for PvE tanks (no more PvP buffs for the demigods please)

Denyiir

I tried Spriggan x5 + Alchemist x5(sword on the back bar) + 3 x agility and the damage was amazing, but using alchemist is really tiresome (and expensive).

Now I'm runing Spriggan + Viper + 1 Kena + 1 Kragh and its really great too, cant wait till I get 2nd piece of Kragh tho

Spriggan and Kragh really melts HA.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

I tried Spriggan x5 + Alchemist x5(sword on the back bar) + 3 x agility and the damage was amazing, but using alchemist is really tiresome (and expensive).

Now I'm runing Spriggan + Viper + 1 Kena + 1 Kragh and its really great too, cant wait till I get 2nd piece of Kragh tho

Spriggan and Kragh really melts HA.

I really wish this were true, however, every test I have done with the penetration sets, and what others I have talked to have said is that stacking penetration is very underwhelming in PvP. Have you tried replacing the 5pc spriggan and 1pc kragh with something else and comparing the damage?

Something is wonky about how armor and spell penetration is working in pvp.

Minno

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

I tried Spriggan x5 + Alchemist x5(sword on the back bar) + 3 x agility and the damage was amazing, but using alchemist is really tiresome (and expensive).

Now I'm runing Spriggan + Viper + 1 Kena + 1 Kragh and its really great too, cant wait till I get 2nd piece of Kragh tho

Spriggan and Kragh really melts HA.

I really wish this were true, however, every test I have done with the penetration sets, and what others I have talked to have said is that stacking penetration is very underwhelming in PvP. Have you tried replacing the 5pc spriggan and 1pc kragh with something else and comparing the damage?

Something is wonky about how armor and spell penetration is working in pvp.

What were the tests exactly? I'm curious .

For OP, shields+ block counter penetration builds. Something to keep in mind if you come against a sorc or blazing shield Templar.

Rohamad_Ali

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

I tried Spriggan x5 + Alchemist x5(sword on the back bar) + 3 x agility and the damage was amazing, but using alchemist is really tiresome (and expensive).

Now I'm runing Spriggan + Viper + 1 Kena + 1 Kragh and its really great too, cant wait till I get 2nd piece of Kragh tho

Spriggan and Kragh really melts HA.

I really wish this were true, however, every test I have done with the penetration sets, and what others I have talked to have said is that stacking penetration is very underwhelming in PvP. Have you tried replacing the 5pc spriggan and 1pc kragh with something else and comparing the damage?

Something is wonky about how armor and spell penetration is working in pvp.

I have been noticing this too and made a post related in another thread . The spell penetration on some people with really good tank builds and Max cp seems lacking . I've been tinkering with shield penetration values and think it may be related in some way with never really getting the essential crit damage needed to make these combos shine in PvP . Against people with lower cp and gear , it does great but let's face it , those are not the targets we aim for in new builds .

Solus

Axorn wrote: »

Finally found 2x spriggan mace and made a high physical penetration build.

3x spriggan purple jewelry
2x spriggan sharpened maces gold
5x hunding's rage
1x bloodspawn
1x kena or Velidreth's
1x maelstorm bow

Physical Penetration: 3314 from cp+3907 from spriggan+5160 from sharpened traits+5280 from surprise attack debuff + %20 from twin blade and blunt passive = 21.193 armor penetration

1600 stamina regen
3685 weapon damage (buffed) 4185 weapon damage when weapon enchants procs
%65 crit chance
35k stam
2500 crit resistance

Happy turtle hunting

Replace hundings w/ 5 viper.

has worked wonders for me so far. I was able to get two gold viper rings from the golden this last weekend. Added weapon damage enchants to them and my purple spriggan necklace. Crusher enchantment to my mace, Weapon damage to my other sharpened dagger (havent found a second sharpened mace yet) 1 velidreth, 1 kena.

Not very many can take my first 2-3 hits.

LegacyDM

Nice build. Only one problem. Penetration doesn't penetrate shields. Against turtles (I.e., people like hitori honzo, dragon powers, or severance draconis this won't work, it takes a Zerg to take them down. Against shield stacking magicka sorcs it won't work. Enjoy getting nowhere against people like German, Jedi, or force siphon. Also, many people arent stacking that much resistence. You can't go negative so any excess penetration is wasted. So in theory, your build is cool, however, it's too much penetration and a waste against shield stackers and those that have less resistance than you have penetration.

Penetration is overrated. I laugh when I see people drooling over spinners set. You need to take a balanced approach in this game between magicka/elemental damage, crit, glyph damage/poisons, proc sets, and penetration. Min/max nets to much excessive max.

Solus

LegacyDM wrote: »

Nice build. Only one problem. Penetration doesn't penetrate shields. Against turtles (I.e., people like hitori honzo, dragon powers, or severance draconis this won't work, it takes a Zerg to take them down. Against shield stacking magicka sorcs it won't work. Enjoy getting nowhere against people like German, Jedi, or force siphon. Also, many people arent stacking that much resistence. You can't go negative so any excess penetration is wasted. So in theory, your build is cool, however, it's too much penetration and a waste against shield stackers and those that have less resistance than you have penetration.

Penetration is overrated. I laugh when I see people drooling over spinners set. You need to take a balanced approach in this game between magicka/elemental damage, crit, glyph damage/poisons, and penetration. Min/max nets to much excessive max.

This is why i have Mass hysteria, by the time you have CC breaked (broke?) youre dead. Ive tested it lol

Rohamad_Ali

LegacyDM wrote: »

Nice build. Only one problem. Penetration doesn't penetrate shields. Against turtles (I.e., people like hitori honzo, dragon powers, or severance draconis this won't work, it takes a Zerg to take them down. Against shield stacking magicka sorcs it won't work. Enjoy getting nowhere against people like German, Jedi, or force siphon. Also, many people arent stacking that much resistence. You can't go negative so any excess penetration is wasted. So in theory, your build is cool, however, it's too much penetration and a waste against shield stackers and those that have less resistance than you have penetration.

Penetration is overrated. I laugh when I see people drooling over spinners set. You need to take a balanced approach in this game between magicka/elemental damage, crit, glyph damage/poisons, proc sets, and penetration. Min/max nets to much excessive max.

It's true , all of it . Fighting those builds is more a marathon then a DPD race . Without really good resources you get resource drained and then burst down .

Denyiir

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

KennyFknPowers wrote: »

I tried Spriggan x5 + Alchemist x5(sword on the back bar) + 3 x agility and the damage was amazing, but using alchemist is really tiresome (and expensive).

Now I'm runing Spriggan + Viper + 1 Kena + 1 Kragh and its really great too, cant wait till I get 2nd piece of Kragh tho

Spriggan and Kragh really melts HA.

I really wish this were true, however, every test I have done with the penetration sets, and what others I have talked to have said is that stacking penetration is very underwhelming in PvP. Have you tried replacing the 5pc spriggan and 1pc kragh with something else and comparing the damage?

Something is wonky about how armor and spell penetration is working in pvp.

I haven't done any serious testing, just noticed now I sometimes (pretty often actually) hit people for 10k+ with suprise atack not in stealth, and the highest hit was like 14.7 from what I remember. I don't think I ever pulled SA damage that high before spriggan

daswahnsinn

I thought I was running anti-meta by running a build that is some what old and still enjoying playing the game.

Ohhgrizyyy

If you really want a Physical Pen build you forgot to put the Kra'ugr 1 set bonus in there it gives 1735 physical pen

Elijah_Crow

It's a solid build. You've got the penetration, above 50% Crit, and straight weapon damage to chew through shields.

Julianos

Alucardo wrote: »

Replace 5 Hundings with Sunderflame or Night Mothers if you want to strip them even more, though considering your penetration right now I don't think it's needed..

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

If you really want a Physical Pen build you forgot to put the Kra'ugr 1 set bonus in there it gives 1735 physical pen

I didnt want to increase my penetration more on purpose cuz i dont want to drop more weapon damage or stamina regen also i know it wont work againts shield stackers or shield blockers but they are usually harmless my targets are healers and tanky dpsers and those heavy armor dpsers it really works great

Also im doing PVE too and mobs has 18k armor now. So its great for both pve and pvp.

GreenSoup2HoT

Just slap on some shield breaker with spriggians.

Julianos

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The sad part is, you'd be better of killing the heavy armor procstackers by just running the same build : /

It's not rock-paper-scissors, its rock-rock-rock now, with the occasionally healer. : P

I hate following the meta or copy paste builds and i believe those procs will get nerfed.

Solus

Axorn wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The sad part is, you'd be better of killing the heavy armor procstackers by just running the same build : /

It's not rock-paper-scissors, its rock-rock-rock now, with the occasionally healer. : P

I hate following the meta or copy paste builds and i believe those procs will get nerfed.

Best bet would be increased proc time, (4 seconds to 8) reduced proc chance on players (100% to 60%ish) or the inability to stack proc insta damage sets.

Solus

Axorn wrote: »

Finally found 2x spriggan mace and made a high physical penetration build.

3x spriggan purple jewelry
2x spriggan sharpened maces gold
5x hunding's rage
1x bloodspawn
1x kena or Velidreth's
1x maelstorm bow

Physical Penetration: 3314 from cp+3907 from spriggan+5160 from sharpened traits+5280 from surprise attack debuff + %20 from twin blade and blunt passive = 21.193 armor penetration

1600 stamina regen
3685 weapon damage (buffed) 4185 weapon damage when weapon enchants procs
%65 crit chance
35k stam
2500 crit resistance

Happy turtle hunting

If you use the same weapon damage glyph on both weapons they dont both proc at the same time. only one will proc.. I did one Truly Superb Glyph of Crushing, and One truly superb glyph of weapon damage on the other. Cant remember where i found that written down, but ive seen that on my Dual hundings swords that one sword enchant will be lower than the other. Both are weapon damage glyphs on the hundings.

DeadlyRecluse

Axorn wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The sad part is, you'd be better of killing the heavy armor procstackers by just running the same build : /

It's not rock-paper-scissors, its rock-rock-rock now, with the occasionally healer. : P

I hate following the meta or copy paste builds and i believe those procs will get nerfed.

You and me both. At least I hope they get nerfed to hell.


but there are plenty of threads about that at the moment.

Jaiden

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Just slap on some shield breaker with spriggians.

Best of both worlds right there

Solus

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The sad part is, you'd be better of killing the heavy armor procstackers by just running the same build : /

It's not rock-paper-scissors, its rock-rock-rock now, with the occasionally healer. : P

I hate following the meta or copy paste builds and i believe those procs will get nerfed.

You and me both. At least I hope they get nerfed to hell.


but there are plenty of threads about that at the moment.

Anything good is going to be considered "meta". Just run around with gold "daggers of stamina" and all non-set items if you dont want to be apart of the "meta" crowd.