'Smart Loot'

Dalglish

It was my understanding drops from dungeons would be smart e.g. you would not get drops of ranged stam sets with magicka based weapons and vice versa.
In my first 2 dungeons of the patch I get a Bow of Warlock and a Resto Staff of Hircines.

Doesn't sound too smart to me? Is this as intended?

Elsonso

Dalglish wrote: »

It was my understanding drops from dungeons would be smart e.g. you would not get drops of ranged stam sets with magicka based weapons and vice versa.
In my first 2 dungeons of the patch I get a Bow of Warlock and a Resto Staff of Hircines.

Doesn't sound too smart to me? Is this as intended?

First I've heard of this. I was expecting drops to be random across the whole range of possible drops.

Edit: unless I just forgot about it.

Cryptical

I'm still getting heavy morihaus and medium flanking on my light armor magic Templar.

130 plunder skulls, not a single mask, but motifs for miles and miles...

Dalglish

Cryptical wrote: »

I'm still getting heavy morihaus and medium flanking on my light armor magic Templar.

130 plunder skulls, not a single mask, but motifs for miles and miles...

I always thought this was possible, my issue was more about stam sets dropping magicka based weapons e.g. a stave for a stam set or a bow/2H for a magicka based set.

Yeah, I got both polymorphs in 2 consecutive skulls last night, was a little weird but I ain't complaining!

shadowwraith666

perhaps they could implement the same system they use with crafting nodes i.e drops based on which armour/weapon skill is the highest?

e.g drops would be 50% based on your stats and charlevel and 50% other stuff as it is with crafting nodes.

DurzoBlint13

yeah I opened 11 vaults in ICP and WGT last night and the only weapons I got were completely backwards- Scathing mage axe and dagger, Imperium desto and resto, and SPC mace and dagger
....on the bright side I did get 2 SPC rings and a ring and neck of Scathing Mage that I was hoping for so it was not all bad, but certainly not was I was expecting with "Smart Drops"

is this intended or another bug that might/might not get fixed at a later date somewhere down the long road of patches?

probablyafk

I think it only applies to weapon damage. So no weapon damage set bonuses on staves.

Dasovaruilos

I think you got a little bit wrong.

What I understood from the patch notes was that the 'smart' part would be only within the item itself, so you wouldn't get a meelee enchantment on a Bow or Staff, or a weapon bonus on a staff.

It is a more limited than what you described.

WalksonGraves

Smart loot would be a disaster, dps can farm gear. Try grinding solo with a real tank it takes forever to kill trash mobs.

Pallio

Apparently they thought about it and decided na, give the crap loot.

Artis

Dalglish wrote: »

It was my understanding drops from dungeons would be smart e.g. you would not get drops of ranged stam sets with magicka based weapons and vice versa.
In my first 2 dungeons of the patch I get a Bow of Warlock and a Resto Staff of Hircines.

Doesn't sound too smart to me? Is this as intended?

Oh wow guys, he still doesn't know about that secret stam warlock build. Shhh, remember the first rule of the warlock club

Dalglish

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Smart loot would be a disaster, dps can farm gear. Try grinding solo with a real tank it takes forever to kill trash mobs.

Maybe my subject title was misleading.

I am not asking for tanks to drop tank sets; but more that weapons match the set bonuses. Tanks should get dps/heal gear and dps should get tank/heal gear I am 1 million per cent behind that.

I don't mind traits being bad (that RNG seems acceptable), but would just be nice to know that certain sets will never drop certain weapons that no-one 'should' ever use e.g. the example I use of a Hircines Resto (Stam set/Magicka Weapon) and a Warlock Bow (Magicka Set/ Stamina Weapon) are just one of many examples that should not really drop in a 'smart loot' system.

Dalglish

Artis wrote: »

Dalglish wrote: »

It was my understanding drops from dungeons would be smart e.g. you would not get drops of ranged stam sets with magicka based weapons and vice versa.
In my first 2 dungeons of the patch I get a Bow of Warlock and a Resto Staff of Hircines.

Doesn't sound too smart to me? Is this as intended?

Oh wow guys, he still doesn't know about that secret stam warlock build. Shhh, remember the first rule of the warlock club

Don't worry I know about the 500% Crit Damage modifier when using a Bow. It's just a tad unfair

runagate

probablyafk wrote: »

I think it only applies to weapon damage. So no weapon damage set bonuses on staves.

I've gotten weapon damage Set bonus staves.

Myerscod

Restoration staff of agility....

magnusthorek

Not trying to play the Devil's Advocate here but give ZOS some time.

Apparently these adjustmenrs on loot catalog is something new for them. With the number of item slots and sets available is a mathematically herculean task.

Dalglish

magnusthorek wrote: »

Not trying to play the Devil's Advocate here but give ZOS some time.

Apparently these adjustmenrs on loot catalog is something new for them. With the number of item slots and sets available is a mathematically herculean task.

Not demanding anything here dude, just want some feedback preferably from someone in loot/itemisation team to at least clarify if this should be happening

Junipus

So far everyone's misunderstood.

Also OP, I'd suggest visting the forums when they release these patches on PC as it helps gives a heads up on issues you're likely to face on console.

To answer your question, smart loot applies to the 5 piece set bonus e.g. you'll no longer get Kyne's Kiss swords or inferno staves of Ysgramor (ice damage bonus). Items such as destro staves on stamina sets and two-handers of Infallible Aether will still drop since most items can in theory make use of their 5 piece bonuses.

It's unofficially part of Wrobel's "hybridisation" policy but mostly I suspect too much work to rework the loot tables in their entirety.

Dalglish

Junipus wrote: »

So far everyone's misunderstood.

Also OP, I'd suggest visting the forums when they release these patches on PC as it helps gives a heads up on issues you're likely to face on console.

To answer your question, smart loot applies to the 5 piece set bonus e.g. you'll no longer get Kyne's Kiss swords or inferno staves of Ysgramor (ice damage bonus). Items such as destro staves on stamina sets and two-handers of Infallible Aether will still drop since most items can in theory make use of their 5 piece bonuses.

It's unofficially part of Wrobel's "hybridisation" policy but mostly I suspect too much work to rework the loot tables in their entirety.

I did read the patch notes, but obviously misunderstood them. I am a cross PC/Console player but not played this patch too much.

But yeah, that's a fair enough explanation and probably discussed here on PC release; just couldn't find this specific issue.

Cryptical

Myerscod wrote: »

Restoration staff of agility....

Resto staff of vicious death... Precise, if I recall correctly.

Abeille

Today I got a bow of the Elegance set.

...Yay.

I also have a fire staff of Ysgramor. I thought I should mention it since it was mentioned on this thread. I'm keeping it as a souvenir.

Solus

Cryptical wrote: »

I'm still getting heavy morihaus and medium flanking on my light armor magic Templar.

130 plunder skulls, not a single mask, but motifs for miles and miles...

This was only supposed to be implemented in dungeons and (i think) trials, not overland.

Nyx2

Dalglish wrote: »

Yeah, I got both polymorphs in 2 consecutive skulls last night, was a little weird but I ain't complaining!

Surely you mean masks not polymorphs?

lonewolf26

All I know is I can't wait to go around healing with my Spell Power Cure Mace and Shield. Such a troll this is.

Dalglish

Nyx2 wrote: »

Dalglish wrote: »

Yeah, I got both polymorphs in 2 consecutive skulls last night, was a little weird but I ain't complaining!

Surely you mean masks not polymorphs?

Sorry yeah, my bad the masks

NativeJoe

Dalglish wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Smart loot would be a disaster, dps can farm gear. Try grinding solo with a real tank it takes forever to kill trash mobs.

Maybe my subject title was misleading.

I am not asking for tanks to drop tank sets; but more that weapons match the set bonuses. Tanks should get dps/heal gear and dps should get tank/heal gear I am 1 million per cent behind that.

I don't mind traits being bad (that RNG seems acceptable), but would just be nice to know that certain sets will never drop certain weapons that no-one 'should' ever use e.g. the example I use of a Hircines Resto (Stam set/Magicka Weapon) and a Warlock Bow (Magicka Set/ Stamina Weapon) are just one of many examples that should not really drop in a 'smart loot' system.

Just going off on this but... SOME builds do benefit from oddities like this. I'm a magicka sorc that often wears two stamina/weapon power based sets in pvp. Why? Because the increased stamina pool allows me to not be CC'd to death, my tactics are unconventional and my enemies often don't know what to do with themselves, And the "real" end game (pvp) isn't always about how high you can stack your spell power or weapon power, but utilizing procs, abilities, stacking burst combos, and managing your resources effectively while self-sustaining- As well as the subtle nuances of reading other peoples builds, play style, and their "panic behavior".

But a Truly "intelligent" loot system would destroy some diversity out there. I realize 95% of people will just toss these items, but a small percentage of elites and those with haphazard ambitions may just use these set pieces in awkward/weird ways that may surprise you. So I hope they don't get "intelligent". Because With less variety, comes more standardization. I mean who wants to see another templar /WW with malubeth on? or another viper/troll regen build? or Viper/tremorscale? or another meta build of crushing shock and crystal frags? WE need some variety here, and I welcome every little bit I can get on the battle field.

Dalglish

NativeJoe wrote: »

Dalglish wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Smart loot would be a disaster, dps can farm gear. Try grinding solo with a real tank it takes forever to kill trash mobs.

Maybe my subject title was misleading.

I am not asking for tanks to drop tank sets; but more that weapons match the set bonuses. Tanks should get dps/heal gear and dps should get tank/heal gear I am 1 million per cent behind that.

I don't mind traits being bad (that RNG seems acceptable), but would just be nice to know that certain sets will never drop certain weapons that no-one 'should' ever use e.g. the example I use of a Hircines Resto (Stam set/Magicka Weapon) and a Warlock Bow (Magicka Set/ Stamina Weapon) are just one of many examples that should not really drop in a 'smart loot' system.

Just going off on this but... SOME builds do benefit from oddities like this. I'm a magicka sorc that often wears two stamina/weapon power based sets in pvp. Why? Because the increased stamina pool allows me to not be CC'd to death, my tactics are unconventional and my enemies often don't know what to do with themselves, And the "real" end game (pvp) isn't always about how high you can stack your spell power or weapon power, but utilizing procs, abilities, stacking burst combos, and managing your resources effectively while self-sustaining- As well as the subtle nuances of reading other peoples builds, play style, and their "panic behavior".

But a Truly "intelligent" loot system would destroy some diversity out there. I realize 95% of people will just toss these items, but a small percentage of elites and those with haphazard ambitions may just use these set pieces in awkward/weird ways that may surprise you. So I hope they don't get "intelligent". Because With less variety, comes more standardization. I mean who wants to see another templar /WW with malubeth on? or another viper/troll regen build? or Viper/tremorscale? or another meta build of crushing shock and crystal frags? WE need some variety here, and I welcome every little bit I can get on the battle field.

I understand how you have changed your build; but my query was mainly on the weapons. You may run certain sets to get a bit out of other stat pools (but this is usually done with jewellery/armour, I imagine you would not use a 2Hand or Bow as your weapon and anything but swords are useless for magicka focused damage).

My issue was mainly with certain sets that really, in any sane build, do not make sense. Please, if there is anyone out there in the entire ESO universe using a Bow of Warlock in a complete set (even non end game) please let me know.

Mettaricana

I'm still getting moronic combos spriggan inferno and resto staff. Quest drops are even worse getting intricate or getting magicka sets on medium armors....

I kinda hate the how some sets can drop on all weapons it makes loot pools ridiculous the traits are bad enough on top of the limited bosses and the prefernces to drop gear over weapons on top of bad traits on top of irrelevant combos its almost unbearable...

Cherryblossom

Dalglish wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Smart loot would be a disaster, dps can farm gear. Try grinding solo with a real tank it takes forever to kill trash mobs.

Maybe my subject title was misleading.

I am not asking for tanks to drop tank sets; but more that weapons match the set bonuses. Tanks should get dps/heal gear and dps should get tank/heal gear I am 1 million per cent behind that.

I don't mind traits being bad (that RNG seems acceptable), but would just be nice to know that certain sets will never drop certain weapons that no-one 'should' ever use e.g. the example I use of a Hircines Resto (Stam set/Magicka Weapon) and a Warlock Bow (Magicka Set/ Stamina Weapon) are just one of many examples that should not really drop in a 'smart loot' system.

Many Stams used to use Resto Staff on back bar for healing ward...

Whilst it nice you think they are not useful, you are not everyone.

I think when they were talking about the sets, it was so you wouldn't get a Marksman Sword!

Armitas

I don't think smart loot would be good for this game. In this game you have to have a stable of toons to cover a wide array of roles. One for dps, one for healing, one for tanking, one for PvP, one for farming VMA, one for stamina one for magicka, races in between. It's mostly this way because of CP, but also a little bit due to morphs. It would really suck to have to grind VMA with your tank for a tank weapon. They need to just stop being ridiculous with the RNG and give us a token system like a normal responsible human being.