The First Step Quest Way Overpowered

TheElf

So...everything in One Tamriel is kicking my ass. Whatever, I'm making do. I've completely respec'd my character into the cookie cutter build that ZoS is obviously favoring now and its better.

Then comes this The First Step quest in Reaper's March where I'm to escort one of the khajiit ladies through a trial. Naturally, the khajiit lady is useless. But moreso, I'm apparently completely underleveled for this. I'm getting wiped fighting the second set of mobs within 2-3 seconds of even starting the fight. Consistently - I've attempted this fight probably 10 times now. Some ridiculous spear ability is being spammed and its doing 3500+ damage at probably 6000 dps (I've got around 11,000 health). This quest is literally impossible for me to advance through; I'm hitting this group with everything I've got. I'm not new to this game and my gear is plenty up to date. The issue here is apparently ZoS are favoring a sadistic approach to combat now to the point where this game is the exact opposite of fun.

I can post a video if that would make ZoS feel more confident in this complaint. Is there some kind of mechanic I'm missing to keep these 3 OP mobs from slaughtering me like they were a world boss?

CasNation

Well, info about your build would help, but it sounds like your health is really low. And I mean REALLY low. Especially in one tamriel with scaling. It should be around double your current value. Are you eating food? Is your gear enchanted? Have you improved your gear to at least blue? Are you wearing decent jewelry?

serenity_painted

Try eating some food, 11k hp is very, very low. And if there's one paricular ability that's killing you find out where it's coming from.
Is it one mob that spams it? Can you interrupt it? Can you dodge it? Can you block it? Do you have any defensive abilities unlocked that you can slot?
What have you tried exactly when you attempted it beyond your usual approach?

SienneYviete

TheElf wrote: »

So...everything in One Tamriel is kicking my ass. Whatever, I'm making do. I've completely respec'd my character into the cookie cutter build that ZoS is obviously favoring now and its better.

Then comes this The First Step quest in Reaper's March where I'm to escort one of the khajiit ladies through a trial. Naturally, the khajiit lady is useless. But moreso, I'm apparently completely underleveled for this. I'm getting wiped fighting the second set of mobs within 2-3 seconds of even starting the fight. Consistently - I've attempted this fight probably 10 times now. Some ridiculous spear ability is being spammed and its doing 3500+ damage at probably 6000 dps (I've got around 11,000 health). This quest is literally impossible for me to advance through; I'm hitting this group with everything I've got. I'm not new to this game and my gear is plenty up to date. The issue here is apparently ZoS are favoring a sadistic approach to combat now to the point where this game is the exact opposite of fun.

I can post a video if that would make ZoS feel more confident in this complaint. Is there some kind of mechanic I'm missing to keep these 3 OP mobs from slaughtering me like they were a world boss?

So let me get this straight you're saying you're not new to the game and yet eating food is beyond your reasoning of failure? I mean what do you walk around tamriel and not see all the other players at 16-20k health and think why is my health so low?

This right here is the problem with this game, players that have been coddled through an absolute faceroll of an affair in the single player aspect of this mmo before one tamriel and yet absolutely basic aids to health and stat pools and using so called cookie cutter builds are ignored and the game is blamed as being too hard now that any aspect of difficulty is introduced.

You have automatically blamed zos for a problem with an extremely simple solution that is entirely your own fault well done.

daedalusAI

CasNation wrote: »

Well, info about your build would help, but it sounds like your health is really low. And I mean REALLY low. Especially in one tamriel with scaling. It should be around double your current value. Are you eating food? Is your gear enchanted? Have you improved your gear to at least blue? Are you wearing decent jewelry?

Yes his health looks quite low. A new lvl 1 wood elf dk has 16k health.
It shouldn't be double: my lvl 28 nightblade is running around quite comfortably with 14k health.

We don't know his level but I guess it should be between 20-35 if he did quest zone by zone

Are you seriously asking him to run around with enchanted, fully blue gear and matching jewelry while "only" questing his way to lvl 50?
.

daedalusAI

SienneYviete wrote: »

TheElf wrote: »

So...everything in One Tamriel is kicking my ass. Whatever, I'm making do. I've completely respec'd my character into the cookie cutter build that ZoS is obviously favoring now and its better.

Then comes this The First Step quest in Reaper's March where I'm to escort one of the khajiit ladies through a trial. Naturally, the khajiit lady is useless. But moreso, I'm apparently completely underleveled for this. I'm getting wiped fighting the second set of mobs within 2-3 seconds of even starting the fight. Consistently - I've attempted this fight probably 10 times now. Some ridiculous spear ability is being spammed and its doing 3500+ damage at probably 6000 dps (I've got around 11,000 health). This quest is literally impossible for me to advance through; I'm hitting this group with everything I've got. I'm not new to this game and my gear is plenty up to date. The issue here is apparently ZoS are favoring a sadistic approach to combat now to the point where this game is the exact opposite of fun.

I can post a video if that would make ZoS feel more confident in this complaint. Is there some kind of mechanic I'm missing to keep these 3 OP mobs from slaughtering me like they were a world boss?

So let me get this straight you're saying you're not new to the game and yet eating food is beyond your reasoning of failure? I mean what do you walk around tamriel and not see all the other players at 16-20k health and think why is my health so low?

This right here is the problem with this game, players that have been coddled through an absolute faceroll of an affair in the single player aspect of this mmo before one tamriel and yet absolutely basic aids to health and stat pools and using so called cookie cutter builds are ignored and the game is blamed as being too hard now that any aspect of difficulty is introduced.

You have automatically blamed zos for a problem with an extremely simple solution that is entirely your own fault well done.

He shouldn't have to care at all for the health of other players considering everything is "supposed" to be scaled to 160cp.

Interesting how you refer to the game before 1T as "absolute faceroll" and in the same sentence blame him for not using a cookie cutter build as it that is the single reason he did fail that quest over and over.
Pretty pathetic reasoning from you.

Even with a scaling world it shouldn't matter one bit if you run with the most awkward build or the FoTM-cookie-cutter build: the only difference between them should be the time needed to kill stuff.

He for sure didn't implement a scaling world on his own - that was zos.

Your extremely simple solution for him is to use cookie-cutter builds, food, potions and almost BiS items while questing his way to lvl 50?
Well done indeed.

SienneYviete

daedalusAI wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

TheElf wrote: »

So...everything in One Tamriel is kicking my ass. Whatever, I'm making do. I've completely respec'd my character into the cookie cutter build that ZoS is obviously favoring now and its better.

Then comes this The First Step quest in Reaper's March where I'm to escort one of the khajiit ladies through a trial. Naturally, the khajiit lady is useless. But moreso, I'm apparently completely underleveled for this. I'm getting wiped fighting the second set of mobs within 2-3 seconds of even starting the fight. Consistently - I've attempted this fight probably 10 times now. Some ridiculous spear ability is being spammed and its doing 3500+ damage at probably 6000 dps (I've got around 11,000 health). This quest is literally impossible for me to advance through; I'm hitting this group with everything I've got. I'm not new to this game and my gear is plenty up to date. The issue here is apparently ZoS are favoring a sadistic approach to combat now to the point where this game is the exact opposite of fun.

I can post a video if that would make ZoS feel more confident in this complaint. Is there some kind of mechanic I'm missing to keep these 3 OP mobs from slaughtering me like they were a world boss?

So let me get this straight you're saying you're not new to the game and yet eating food is beyond your reasoning of failure? I mean what do you walk around tamriel and not see all the other players at 16-20k health and think why is my health so low?

This right here is the problem with this game, players that have been coddled through an absolute faceroll of an affair in the single player aspect of this mmo before one tamriel and yet absolutely basic aids to health and stat pools and using so called cookie cutter builds are ignored and the game is blamed as being too hard now that any aspect of difficulty is introduced.

You have automatically blamed zos for a problem with an extremely simple solution that is entirely your own fault well done.

He shouldn't have to care at all for the health of other players considering everything is "supposed" to be scaled to 160cp.

Interesting how you refer to the game before 1T as "absolute faceroll" and in the same sentence blame him for not using a cookie cutter build as it that is the single reason he did fail that quest over and over.
Pretty pathetic reasoning from you.

Even with a scaling world it shouldn't matter one bit if you run with the most awkward build or the FoTM-cookie-cutter build: the only difference between them should be the time needed to kill stuff.

He for sure didn't implement a scaling world on his own - that was zos.

Your extremely simple solution for him is to use cookie-cutter builds, food, potions and almost BiS items while questing his way to lvl 50?
Well done indeed.

Wait so basically you're saying you should be able to run no food, no potions, white quality no set gear and be able to complete any content in the game? You are aware of how absurd that is right? Another pathetic example of eso players that believes no matter how bad he is or what advice he will ignore regarding game mechanics he should be handed wins just because GTFO of here with that argument.

I'm still struggling to comprehend your argument that his nor anyone else's health matters it's pretty much common sense if someone else has 18k health and doesn't die and you continually get rekt with 11k there is something wrong and scaling won't make your health drop so I have no idea what your argument actually is. All people have to do is use common sense and if that determines a "cookie cutter" as the eso hipster build crew likes to call it then so be it, continue to be bad just don't complain because you can't complete basic content that anyone else with half a brain can.

daedalusAI

SienneYviete wrote: »

daedalusAI wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

TheElf wrote: »

So...everything in One Tamriel is kicking my ass. Whatever, I'm making do. I've completely respec'd my character into the cookie cutter build that ZoS is obviously favoring now and its better.

Then comes this The First Step quest in Reaper's March where I'm to escort one of the khajiit ladies through a trial. Naturally, the khajiit lady is useless. But moreso, I'm apparently completely underleveled for this. I'm getting wiped fighting the second set of mobs within 2-3 seconds of even starting the fight. Consistently - I've attempted this fight probably 10 times now. Some ridiculous spear ability is being spammed and its doing 3500+ damage at probably 6000 dps (I've got around 11,000 health). This quest is literally impossible for me to advance through; I'm hitting this group with everything I've got. I'm not new to this game and my gear is plenty up to date. The issue here is apparently ZoS are favoring a sadistic approach to combat now to the point where this game is the exact opposite of fun.

I can post a video if that would make ZoS feel more confident in this complaint. Is there some kind of mechanic I'm missing to keep these 3 OP mobs from slaughtering me like they were a world boss?

So let me get this straight you're saying you're not new to the game and yet eating food is beyond your reasoning of failure? I mean what do you walk around tamriel and not see all the other players at 16-20k health and think why is my health so low?

This right here is the problem with this game, players that have been coddled through an absolute faceroll of an affair in the single player aspect of this mmo before one tamriel and yet absolutely basic aids to health and stat pools and using so called cookie cutter builds are ignored and the game is blamed as being too hard now that any aspect of difficulty is introduced.

You have automatically blamed zos for a problem with an extremely simple solution that is entirely your own fault well done.

He shouldn't have to care at all for the health of other players considering everything is "supposed" to be scaled to 160cp.

Interesting how you refer to the game before 1T as "absolute faceroll" and in the same sentence blame him for not using a cookie cutter build as it that is the single reason he did fail that quest over and over.
Pretty pathetic reasoning from you.

Even with a scaling world it shouldn't matter one bit if you run with the most awkward build or the FoTM-cookie-cutter build: the only difference between them should be the time needed to kill stuff.

He for sure didn't implement a scaling world on his own - that was zos.

Your extremely simple solution for him is to use cookie-cutter builds, food, potions and almost BiS items while questing his way to lvl 50?
Well done indeed.

Wait so basically you're saying you should be able to run no food, no potions, white quality no set gear and be able to complete any content in the game? You are aware of how absurd that is right? Another pathetic example of eso players that believes no matter how bad he is or what advice he will ignore regarding game mechanics he should be handed wins just because GTFO of here with that argument.

I'm still struggling to comprehend your argument that his nor anyone else's health matters it's pretty much common sense if someone else has 18k health and doesn't die and you continually get rekt with 11k there is something wrong and scaling won't make your health drop so I have no idea what your argument actually is. All people have to do is use common sense and if that determines a "cookie cutter" as the eso hipster build crew likes to call it then so be it, continue to be bad just don't complain because you can't complete basic content that anyone else with half a brain can.

Any content includes simple questing and yes - you should be able to do that even without running around in your best equip with every possible consumable active.
Or do you honestly advice a fresh lvl 1 to get blue equip and consumables for hitting mudcrabs as part of a starting quests?

No one is talking about handing out free wins.

He could simply die due to only leveling useless skills and therefore lacking proper skills to finish the quest - something I do too. I die, I have to swap my leveling skills out for proper ones and I finish the obstacle.

Still amusing how in your world basic content can be done "by anyone else with half a brain" and yet you are only able to advice using cookie-cutter builds as the only means to do so.

OP I need more information before help is possible.

SienneYviete

daedalusAI wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

daedalusAI wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

TheElf wrote: »

So...everything in One Tamriel is kicking my ass. Whatever, I'm making do. I've completely respec'd my character into the cookie cutter build that ZoS is obviously favoring now and its better.

Then comes this The First Step quest in Reaper's March where I'm to escort one of the khajiit ladies through a trial. Naturally, the khajiit lady is useless. But moreso, I'm apparently completely underleveled for this. I'm getting wiped fighting the second set of mobs within 2-3 seconds of even starting the fight. Consistently - I've attempted this fight probably 10 times now. Some ridiculous spear ability is being spammed and its doing 3500+ damage at probably 6000 dps (I've got around 11,000 health). This quest is literally impossible for me to advance through; I'm hitting this group with everything I've got. I'm not new to this game and my gear is plenty up to date. The issue here is apparently ZoS are favoring a sadistic approach to combat now to the point where this game is the exact opposite of fun.

I can post a video if that would make ZoS feel more confident in this complaint. Is there some kind of mechanic I'm missing to keep these 3 OP mobs from slaughtering me like they were a world boss?

So let me get this straight you're saying you're not new to the game and yet eating food is beyond your reasoning of failure? I mean what do you walk around tamriel and not see all the other players at 16-20k health and think why is my health so low?

This right here is the problem with this game, players that have been coddled through an absolute faceroll of an affair in the single player aspect of this mmo before one tamriel and yet absolutely basic aids to health and stat pools and using so called cookie cutter builds are ignored and the game is blamed as being too hard now that any aspect of difficulty is introduced.

You have automatically blamed zos for a problem with an extremely simple solution that is entirely your own fault well done.

He shouldn't have to care at all for the health of other players considering everything is "supposed" to be scaled to 160cp.

Interesting how you refer to the game before 1T as "absolute faceroll" and in the same sentence blame him for not using a cookie cutter build as it that is the single reason he did fail that quest over and over.
Pretty pathetic reasoning from you.

Even with a scaling world it shouldn't matter one bit if you run with the most awkward build or the FoTM-cookie-cutter build: the only difference between them should be the time needed to kill stuff.

He for sure didn't implement a scaling world on his own - that was zos.

Your extremely simple solution for him is to use cookie-cutter builds, food, potions and almost BiS items while questing his way to lvl 50?
Well done indeed.

Wait so basically you're saying you should be able to run no food, no potions, white quality no set gear and be able to complete any content in the game? You are aware of how absurd that is right? Another pathetic example of eso players that believes no matter how bad he is or what advice he will ignore regarding game mechanics he should be handed wins just because GTFO of here with that argument.

I'm still struggling to comprehend your argument that his nor anyone else's health matters it's pretty much common sense if someone else has 18k health and doesn't die and you continually get rekt with 11k there is something wrong and scaling won't make your health drop so I have no idea what your argument actually is. All people have to do is use common sense and if that determines a "cookie cutter" as the eso hipster build crew likes to call it then so be it, continue to be bad just don't complain because you can't complete basic content that anyone else with half a brain can.

Any content includes simple questing and yes - you should be able to do that even without running around in your best equip with every possible consumable active.
Or do you honestly advice a fresh lvl 1 to get blue equip and consumables for hitting mudcrabs as part of a starting quests?

No one is talking about handing out free wins.

He could simply die due to only leveling useless skills and therefore lacking proper skills to finish the quest - something I do too. I die, I have to swap my leveling skills out for proper ones and I finish the obstacle.

Still amusing how in your world basic content can be done "by anyone else with half a brain" and yet you are only able to advice using cookie-cutter builds as the only means to do so.

OP I need more information before help is possible.

Keep straw manning your argument, never have I referenced any dps build as cookie cutter that is you guys, could you possibly share what a cookie cutter build is? because wouldn't it be pretty fair to assume the plethora of gear and ease of getting gear in one tamriel makes this term obsolete? Making a build than can both dps/self heal and sustain is not rocket science.

gel214thb14_ESO

11K is where your character will end up if you follow the logic on these boards of pumping all your attributes into one stat.

I know those quests he is referring to and they are ridiculous. The only way I got by them was because there was another person or two there with me who were high CP players.

THis doesn't just happen in that area, it happens throughout the 1T scaled zones.

A player should be able to wear gear appropriate for their level, whether green , blue, or purple and still be able to do the content. Right now, you need to be on the ball while questing because the damage from the mobs is extremely high and you don't have enough resources to kill them quickly enough, or to heal through it.

In other games you take food and drink when you are doing dungeons. You seldom make and use these things while questing.

Since 1 Tamriel the advice from players who have high CP characters has been that new players need to be taking drinks, have Armor Sets, and be expert players while now learning the game and **levelling** up.

One HAS to realise that something is wrong with the scaling, it's too difficult.

Most people are not going to come to the message forums. The game needs to provide enough information for players to be successful and to make good builds. If there is a specific way that a character needs to be built, then the game should tell you. RIFT does this very well with premade Templates that you can follow which set your character up for new players.

Ciovala

11k is what my 170 magplar has if I don't eat some blue CP150 food (in pure DPS gear anyway). So, his sounds fairly normal as someone else said, if s/he is just dumping all points into stam or magicka.

What class are you playing, OP? Some (all?) have some skill that can do a self heal when fighting. If I don't use my Puncturing Sweeps ability when fighting groups of mobs I tend to go down pretty quickly... Also try eating some food of some sort. It's not necessary that often, solo, but can be helpful.

ookami007

My suggestions:

Get or make the best food possible for your level. Use blue food that boosts your primary combat stat (magic or stamina) and health. Make sure it is on all the time. It's worth leveling up provisioning just to make your own food if you can't afford to buy it.

Next, with the new update, farm delves, public dungeons and dolmens and get yourself two sets of good gear so that you have two 5 set bonuses - this will help immensely as well since the 2,3 and 4 set bonuses will usually help your primary stat (magic or stamina) total or recovery and the 5 bonus will give extra bonuses. Alternatively, level up crafting and craft your own 5 piece set then farm another set for the 2nd bonus.

To get 2 5 sets bonuses, usually you would get... feet, legs, chest, arms and belt for one set and then head, shoulders, neck and 2 rings for the 2nd's set. This gives you 2 5 set bonuses all the time. But, one set obviously needs to be a dropped set since we can't craft jewelry.

If health is really an issue, make sure you make or get health glyphs for all armor pieces. You shouldn't need it. Traditionally, you would get mostly or completely primary stat glyphs - since most of your damage scales off your primary stats.

Use Pot! Seriously, get the best potions you can and have them slotted... use them! If you can get the tri-pots (restores health, stamina and magic)... they will help tremendously since you get a boost to everything.

Other than that, play around with different skills... watch what kills you and try to plan around it. Sometimes, I use AoEs to take care of multiple opponents, somethings I use single target skills to burn down the high dps mobs first and then move to the next highest, then the next highest. IF you fail more than 3 times, re-examine your strategy. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Good luck!

TheElf

Right, everyone, thanks for all the feedback.

I'll be the first to admit there's obviously some game mechanic I'm missing out on. I've been around the game since launch (and a little of the beta before) but its been off and on, and this particular character class is new to me (the nightblade). New as in, I've been leveling it before 1T hit and everything was going fine. I knew I wasn't dishing out max damage but it was great because I also didn't have to spend 5 hours having to read guides on builds and how to min/max my character. Then 1T hit and my damage and specialization was crap so I tried to be reasonable and did actually read 5 hours (or more) worth of guides on builds to find out how to just get through content again.

Prior to 1T I had a hybrid build that I really liked; I say hybrid in that I had mixed attribute points in magicka and health, primarily, and even as a khajiit, I was using DW and a bow but my ability use focused on the siphon and assassin lines. There was very little explicit weapon skill lines being used. Again, I'm AWARE that this isn't some optimized, competitive build. It provided a play style I really liked and that was important to me. Since 1T released, I've respec'd and now have all my att. points in stamina, I'm using (probably outdated) guides on the weapon abilities that are recommended, and mostly I've just been grinding to try and bring some of these skills up to snuff with the recommendations and unlocking new skills that were recommended to have. For instance, the bombard and endless hail from the bow line, the tornado strikes and rapid strikes from the DW line. So on my bow bar I have Reaping Mark, merciless resolve, endless hail, bombard, and swallow soul. On my DW line is merciless resolve, shadowy disguise, surprise attack, tornado, and killer's blade. My ult's are soul harvest and soul tether.

Recently I witnessed a level 30 DW nightblade consistently dealing out twice my damage (tracked from Combat Metrics). So obviously I'm missing something; I don't know if its in the rotation of ability use, in the abilities themselves used, or what. But its definitely not gear; I'm wearing 3/5 blue, 1 purple, and 1 green on armor and all blue jewelry. Weapons are 2 blue/1 green.

But frankly, its unreasonable to have to farm equipment to be competitive while you're trying to level. I've never had to do that in any other MMO. For level 50+, yes, I expect to farm for an eternity getting mats, leveling crafting, getting gear, what have you. But getting to level 50 should be more about grinding through quests, revealing and exploring areas, or if you're like me and like to play pretty casually, actually reading through each quest and participating in it. Potions and food buffs, as someone else mentioned, I would expect to only need when I'm working on dungeons or similar content - not generic questing.

It is probably worth noting that my official level is 48 (was 43-ish at the time I attempted what the OP was about). This is my highest level toon. But again, I've been slow leveling up my toons because I don't have much time to play and when I do I go through quests pretty slow. Also, right about until I hit level 45 I was oscillating between 12,500-13,000 health. Once I hit 45 my health plummeted and is oscillating between 11,300 and 11,600 health.

BTW: I love hearing about how much better some of these people are than me! You should feel proud! I mean I was really trying to get into MLG ESO tournaments with my obviously fantastic MMO skills and perfect build. You should totally keep talking trash about my abilities and knowledge! It must make you feel *just awesome* inside!

gel214thb14_ESO

TheElf wrote: »

Then 1T hit and my damage and specialization was crap so I tried to be reasonable and did actually read 5 hours (or more) worth of guides on builds to find out how to just get through content again.

But frankly, its unreasonable to have to farm equipment to be competitive while you're trying to level.

Potions and food buffs, as someone else mentioned, I would expect to only need when I'm working on dungeons or similar content - not generic questing.

BTW: I love hearing about how much better some of these people are than me! You should feel proud! I mean I was really trying to get into MLG ESO tournaments with my obviously fantastic MMO skills and perfect build. You should totally keep talking trash about my abilities and knowledge! It must make you feel *just awesome* inside!

I share your sentiments here, and I experienced the same thing levelling my Stamina Sorcerer. There were some very specific powers that I needed to make it through quests. Critical Surge, Hurricane were two of them that made things manageable for me. But with Dual Wield killing a mob still becomes stabbing it and pressing 2 repeatedly watching it's health bar slooooowly go down. Yes, full attributes in Stamina.

I've said it in several threads and I'll say it again, the scaling needs work.

TheElf

Also worth noting that I was able to get through the quest only by recruiting a guild mate to help me. A CP 250+ level guild mate. I don't even think these mobs did any damage to him.

If all this content is scaled (or we're scaled to the content)...then why are such high level players virtually invincible compared to some of the lower level players? Its not the first time I've witnessed such bias. I get that there are discrepancies between classes, skills, abilities, etc. And I know I'm not even in the top 10,000 ESO players, but I also know I'm not BAD at the game. If the reasoning is that "I need to accumulate more CP to feel more powerful" then wtf is the point of having a scaled system? lol. It just doesn't make any sense. Either everyone's scaled and on comparable footing, or you acknowledge that players have made considerable advancement in the game and allow them use such advancement to their advantage, which has been the case both pre and post 1T, but such an approach cannot be considered "scaling".

Certainly not knocking on CP100+ players; I'd love to get there myself. And I'm really trying to.

LadyNalcarya

daedalusAI wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

daedalusAI wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

TheElf wrote: »

So...everything in One Tamriel is kicking my ass. Whatever, I'm making do. I've completely respec'd my character into the cookie cutter build that ZoS is obviously favoring now and its better.

Then comes this The First Step quest in Reaper's March where I'm to escort one of the khajiit ladies through a trial. Naturally, the khajiit lady is useless. But moreso, I'm apparently completely underleveled for this. I'm getting wiped fighting the second set of mobs within 2-3 seconds of even starting the fight. Consistently - I've attempted this fight probably 10 times now. Some ridiculous spear ability is being spammed and its doing 3500+ damage at probably 6000 dps (I've got around 11,000 health). This quest is literally impossible for me to advance through; I'm hitting this group with everything I've got. I'm not new to this game and my gear is plenty up to date. The issue here is apparently ZoS are favoring a sadistic approach to combat now to the point where this game is the exact opposite of fun.

I can post a video if that would make ZoS feel more confident in this complaint. Is there some kind of mechanic I'm missing to keep these 3 OP mobs from slaughtering me like they were a world boss?

So let me get this straight you're saying you're not new to the game and yet eating food is beyond your reasoning of failure? I mean what do you walk around tamriel and not see all the other players at 16-20k health and think why is my health so low?

This right here is the problem with this game, players that have been coddled through an absolute faceroll of an affair in the single player aspect of this mmo before one tamriel and yet absolutely basic aids to health and stat pools and using so called cookie cutter builds are ignored and the game is blamed as being too hard now that any aspect of difficulty is introduced.

You have automatically blamed zos for a problem with an extremely simple solution that is entirely your own fault well done.

He shouldn't have to care at all for the health of other players considering everything is "supposed" to be scaled to 160cp.

Interesting how you refer to the game before 1T as "absolute faceroll" and in the same sentence blame him for not using a cookie cutter build as it that is the single reason he did fail that quest over and over.
Pretty pathetic reasoning from you.

Even with a scaling world it shouldn't matter one bit if you run with the most awkward build or the FoTM-cookie-cutter build: the only difference between them should be the time needed to kill stuff.

He for sure didn't implement a scaling world on his own - that was zos.

Your extremely simple solution for him is to use cookie-cutter builds, food, potions and almost BiS items while questing his way to lvl 50?
Well done indeed.

Wait so basically you're saying you should be able to run no food, no potions, white quality no set gear and be able to complete any content in the game? You are aware of how absurd that is right? Another pathetic example of eso players that believes no matter how bad he is or what advice he will ignore regarding game mechanics he should be handed wins just because GTFO of here with that argument.

I'm still struggling to comprehend your argument that his nor anyone else's health matters it's pretty much common sense if someone else has 18k health and doesn't die and you continually get rekt with 11k there is something wrong and scaling won't make your health drop so I have no idea what your argument actually is. All people have to do is use common sense and if that determines a "cookie cutter" as the eso hipster build crew likes to call it then so be it, continue to be bad just don't complain because you can't complete basic content that anyone else with half a brain can.

Any content includes simple questing and yes - you should be able to do that even without running around in your best equip with every possible consumable active.
Or do you honestly advice a fresh lvl 1 to get blue equip and consumables for hitting mudcrabs as part of a starting quests?

No one is talking about handing out free wins.

He could simply die due to only leveling useless skills and therefore lacking proper skills to finish the quest - something I do too. I die, I have to swap my leveling skills out for proper ones and I finish the obstacle.

Still amusing how in your world basic content can be done "by anyone else with half a brain" and yet you are only able to advice using cookie-cutter builds as the only means to do so.

OP I need more information before help is possible.

Reaper's march is the last AD zone, used to be lvl 35+.
So yeah, its not unreasonable to expect the players to have some knowledge about the game.
Of course, before One Tamriel everything was so easy you could wreck everything naked and without a weapon and some people got used to it... But this is not how the game is supposed to be played.

P.S. Also its easy to get a crafted set for mat price or for free... I often craft for newbies I meet while leveling alts or chatting in /z, and I knwo that many people do the same.
Food items are worth something like 30-50 gold per item, so even if you cant craft them, theyre cheaper than repairs.

CasNation

This was a really long winded thread just to tell the OP to eat some food...

KingYogi415

Dude, just put on some gear your level. If you gear is 5 levels under yourself your are going to hit like a wet noodle.

In the time you spent crying on this thread you could have crafted or found better gear and food.

Cheers!

dpencil

I think this thread is a perfect argument against those who were complaining that world scaling would make "leveling" meaningless, as if walking out of Cold Harbor you would just automatically be maxed out. The game uses a different way of providing a progressive experience now. It is now tied primarily to developing your own skill as a player, and to a certain degree, gear. Yes, this does make the game harder if you're used to questing in zones you'd already leveled past, which happened very quickly pre 1T.

You don't have to read a bunch of guides or try to copy everyone else, but you do have to develop a good understanding of your available skills and how to use them. Like, what sorts of healing and protective skills do you have that could help yout stay alive on a hard pull? What skills can you apply once and have them passively do damage for you? What skills hit multiple targets? You have to read the tooltips of your skills and think about this stuff. That's how it should be.

ValandarTheRed

There's also the basics of tactics - when to use what skills, and how to deal with different types of enemies. I've had situatins where I just get lazy, and start to fight a given enemy that is not the style I expected, and get slammed before I realize it. I come back, and play smart, and obliterate him. And, yes, this is in 1T. Playing a Templar archer, which is not exactly optimized (and neither is my gear). Still haven't found anything I can't face alone, in the normal storyline missions, if playing smart - even without using pots and food.

RavenSworn

Check your gear level, might be that even if your gear is blue or green or purple, the gear difference might be just what is making it difficult for you. Outdated gear will drop your stats tremendously.

Honestly, you don't need food buffs, if you do have it, it's good. If you don't, it's alright. The game does punishes you if you don't have an efficient build (note I say efficient, not cookie cutter). I noticed you used reaping mark on one of the bars, personally I felt Piercing mark is a much better questing skill. The health returns is much better in line than say killers blade.

May I suggest also instead of swallow soul, use crippling grasp or debilitate? Or even mirage will increase your survival rate. I've levelled a nb as my main so while I say I am not top of the line, I certainly would know what I am doing. All in all, have fun!

Cheers!
RavenSworn

gel214thb14_ESO

dpencil wrote: »

It is now tied primarily to developing your own skill as a player, and to a certain degree, gear. Yes, this does make the game harder if you're used to questing in zones you'd already leveled past, which happened very quickly pre 1T.

No, the game requires you to get Crafted gear, or good gear drops repeatedly in order to be effective.

So the game now places you on a treadmill where as a player the more you level up, the more equipment you need , forever. I say forever because this happens even past level 50, and well up to CP160 or beyond. You cannot rely on your level difference to provide you with an advantage anymore, so you must either craft, buy crafted gear (somehow, and good luck because the store system sucks) or get good drops and spend time farming.

Once you have those sets at your level that give you gobs of health/stamina/magicka you are fine even with just an average build.

Another point, if the game expects you to "know" how to build your character it needs to show you. A player should never have to leave the game, to visit forums or sites to figure out how to play. So perhaps Zenimax can add Templates that players can slot which would be their guide for an effective build (RIFT does this beautifully).

What we cannot ignore is that gameplay has been fundamentally changed and players have not been given the information they require to adapt to the changes. Min/Maxers and those who read a lot are ok, the majority who do not fall into these categories will have issues.

TheElf

I don't want to throw my hands up and say it's a balancing issue but I did try the same quest on my new level 13 sorc and had no problems whatsoever. My experience with sorc has been much more pleasant than with my NB, and I'm certainly dying a lot less, even without a pet out.

Honestly I'm at a loss for what's going on. It's obviously not a l2p issue, my gear tier on both characters was pretty similar. I don't have screens of numbers to show for an quantitative comparison it was more just how I felt during the fight. But yeah, long story short, this NB has felt extremely unaffective compared to my new sorceror. Maybe it just fits my play style better.

gel214thb14_ESO

TheElf wrote: »

I don't want to throw my hands up and say it's a balancing issue but I did try the same quest on my new level 13 sorc and had no problems whatsoever. My experience with sorc has been much more pleasant than with my NB, and I'm certainly dying a lot less, even without a pet out.

Honestly I'm at a loss for what's going on. It's obviously not a l2p issue, my gear tier on both characters was pretty similar. I don't have screens of numbers to show for an quantitative comparison it was more just how I felt during the fight. But yeah, long story short, this NB has felt extremely unaffective compared to my new sorceror. Maybe it just fits my play style better.

Try this experiment. Make a new Nightblade character and try to go straight to that quest, let us know how it plays then.