Race Change

Lucious90

So I decided to pick up a race change token because quite honestly I feel like I am a Male Orc Stam Sorc trapped in a Male High Elf Mag Sorcs character sheet..... So I pick up the token to help my character feel better about himself and feel more confident, I use it...... Cant change faction #$%$#^$*&#^! This is 20 freaking 16, I should be able to go where I want regardless! This is bigoted and unrighteous and should be changed, I shouldnt be locked into an alliance because I was an idiot and assigned the wrong race! Let alone have to relevel a toon just to get it right! #triggered #orc #procsets


In a more serious note: I didnt know that the race change token was in faction only, kinda upsetting, any idea on when we should be able to change factions with One Tam?

Skinzz

Um no, never

Lucious90

xskinzcity wrote: »

Um no, never

why not? One tam just about got rid of factions all together outside of pvp, other games allow it and if they are doing crown race change, they should have faction as well

emily3989

Thought the adv pack was for that? Been out since launch I think.

idk

@Lucious90

With 1T you can quest in any zone you want with players of any faction. Everyone should have 1T as of today.

For changing factions for PvP, that will probably never happen and it should never happen.

emily3989

He is mad because his original race's faction does not contain his desired new race. Having adventure pack may have avoided this.

Skinzz

Lucious90 wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Um no, never

why not? One tam just about got rid of factions all together outside of pvp, other games allow it and if they are doing crown race change, they should have faction as well

Because my soon to be grand overlord is on ep, not dc. The game is just getting too easy and lazy at this point.

altemriel

Lucious90 wrote: »

So I decided to pick up a race change token because quite honestly I feel like I am a Male Orc Stam Sorc trapped in a Male High Elf Mag Sorcs character sheet..... So I pick up the token to help my character feel better about himself and feel more confident, I use it...... Cant change faction #$%$#^$*&#^! This is 20 freaking 16, I should be able to go where I want regardless! This is bigoted and unrighteous and should be changed, I shouldnt be locked into an alliance because I was an idiot and assigned the wrong race! Let alone have to relevel a toon just to get it right! #triggered #orc #procsets


In a more serious note: I didnt know that the race change token was in faction only, kinda upsetting, any idea on when we should be able to change factions with One Tam?

only Adventurer pack will help you with this issue

Integral1900

Changing the characters look is simple but the faction stuff is down in the guts of the game, the time, effort and resources to implement it would be massive and ZOS has bigger bugs to squash.

Lucious90

Ill look into the adventurer packs,

And as for faction change gutting, not entirely WoW has offered race and faction changes for a long time to no major ill effect to the game, sometimes even allowing free changes to help with server balance. Doesnt make it lazy or anything like that to offer. Quite honestly 1T makes the game more lazy than a simple faction change, so does allowing multiple factions on one account, fast travel in game etc lots of things can make this game lazy

emily3989 wrote: »

He is mad because his original race's faction does not contain his desired new race. Having adventure pack may have avoided this.

Mad no its all in jokes a bit salty I wasted the crowns before reading the entire thing but thats my fault. It does bring up a good point about faction change within an MMO

Lucious90

Integral1900 wrote: »

Changing the characters look is simple but the faction stuff is down in the guts of the game, the time, effort and resources to implement it would be massive and ZOS has bigger bugs to squash.

They do have bigger bugs to squash, but what about faction is down in the guts? Is it coding that determines abilities? Scenery? Allowing a faction change to in the justification for OT, be able to quest with friends there is nothing wrong with it

Skinzz

Because it affects pvp politics. Pvp should be an important part of the game. My EP grand overlord cant just become a DC grand overlord. Get it?

Lucious90

xskinzcity wrote: »

Because it affects pvp politics. Pvp should be an important part of the game. My EP grand overlord cant just become a DC grand overlord. Get it?

ahh your immersion, got it, doesnt matter is a non issue especially on the whole emp thing, if someone else in DC is pushing and youre EP and you switch over guess what... Competition, and who ever was second takes your place, or you lose your spot in a campaign if you choose to swap mid season and your pushing emp, which I am not sure why you would do that anyways, and the likely hood of that coming up wouldnt affect the pvp portion of the game at all, as if I am pushing emp and close to it, im not going to swap factions because reasons....

Smasherx74

OP I made a thread on this already. Looks like I was right as always...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286882/do-you-agree-the-race-change-30-dollars-should-cover-changing-your-race-to-any-race/p1


people don't care though, they don't believe "RACE" change counts as changing your race, they think it should only be limited to your faction.

Go figure.

Osteos

If you want to be a Banana Orc you have to buy the Adventures pack.

Lucious90

Smasherx74 wrote: »

OP I made a thread on this already. Looks like I was right as always...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286882/do-you-agree-the-race-change-30-dollars-should-cover-changing-your-race-to-any-race/p1


people don't care though, they don't believe "RACE" change counts as changing your race, they think it should only be limited to your faction.

Go figure.

and thats fine, and what you've laid out is perfect, 60 bucks to change my race. hell for 40 I can play wow and have race change, even free for balance purposes, I am all for a company making money, and this is an awesome way to do it, but lets put the price into perspective, they can charge 20 for race and 20 for faction and still be profitable with more sales because its a product thats available to more people

Takes-No-Prisoner

Lucious90 wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Because it affects pvp politics. Pvp should be an important part of the game. My EP grand overlord cant just become a DC grand overlord. Get it?

ahh your immersion, got it,

It has nothing to do with immersion, mostly social politics. While I see what Xskinzcity is saying, if changing alliance becomes a thing, their [the characters] rank Alliance Rank should be set back to 1. That way, the guy who has a high rank, has to work to earn loyalty from his new alliance of choice.

Now if their ranking is reset back to Alliance Rank 1, that would also reset Assult/ Support back to 1 as well.

The question would then be, at that point, is it worth it?

Lucious90

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Because it affects pvp politics. Pvp should be an important part of the game. My EP grand overlord cant just become a DC grand overlord. Get it?

ahh your immersion, got it,

It has nothing to do with immersion, mostly social politics. While I see what Xskinzcity is saying, if changing alliance becomes a thing, their [the characters] rank Alliance Rank should be set back to 1. That way, the guy who has a high rank, has to work to earn loyalty from his new alliance of choice.

Now if their ranking is reset back to Alliance Rank 1, that would also reset Assult/ Support back to 1 as well.

The question would then be, at that point, is it worth it?

See I disagree with that, just reset their running at that point, if you're first mid way through and you decide to swap alliance, the server reads you as a new person just coming in to the campaign, that simple. and idc about earning faction loyalty or the justification for it, if I want to push emp, in an optimal build a simple faction change is there and I dont need to waste the time grinding skills and levels(this is coming from someone whos maxed toons on across multiple mmos). Again I have to stress, if youre good enough to push emp for whatever reason (its something Im not keen on) why in the hell would you swap factions? That seems like an extreme case and something that would hardly show up at all. Losing alliance ranks for assualt/defense skills shouldn't happen either, at that point you should have the same thing for the regular race change as well. I change from a highelf to a woodelf (same alliance) I loose my assault and support lines as well?

Also they really should add Faction in the race change, very misleading

Takes-No-Prisoner

Lucious90 wrote: »

See I disagree with that, just reset their running at that point, if you're first mid way through and you decide to swap alliance, the server reads you as a new person just coming in to the campaign, that simple. and idc about earning faction loyalty or the justification for it, if I want to push emp, in an optimal build a simple faction change is there and I dont need to waste the time grinding skills and levels(this is coming from someone whos maxed toons on across multiple mmos). Again I have to stress, if youre good enough to push emp for whatever reason (its something Im not keen on) why in the hell would you swap factions? That seems like an extreme case and something that would hardly show up at all. Losing alliance ranks for assualt/defense skills shouldn't happen either, at that point you should have the same thing for the regular race change as well. I change from a highelf to a woodelf (same alliance) I loose my assault and support lines as well?

Also they really should add Faction in the race change, very misleading

Social economics can be quite toxic, that can push people to change factions I have seen this before on PS4 many times and will continue to. That would be the biggest reason why people leave. It's fine if you disagree with my alliance rank/alliance skills reset suggestion, but lets be honest here. It seems only fair to the peoples of the native alliance. Having a Grand Overlord muscle in when they didn't earn the rank in that native alliance is just dumb.

However, you are correct if we're going to assume the guy with friends and number wants to push emp, he would stay in his bro-coded alliance. But let me throw a cork in that for a second, I do happen to know people I ran with that have friends on other alliances. What do you do then if he were to keep his alliance rank/alliance skills, swapped alliances on the same character then pushed for emperor as a different color? That is a pretty big slap in the face to all the people he bro-coded in his native alliance.

It's understandable you don't care about loyalty. But, you are also not everyone else out there that is fighting for you or for emperorship. I have seen my alliance get really toxic with folks who re-rolled into my faction, do you honestly think they're gonna like it when these swappers push for emp?

Lucious90

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

See I disagree with that, just reset their running at that point, if you're first mid way through and you decide to swap alliance, the server reads you as a new person just coming in to the campaign, that simple. and idc about earning faction loyalty or the justification for it, if I want to push emp, in an optimal build a simple faction change is there and I dont need to waste the time grinding skills and levels(this is coming from someone whos maxed toons on across multiple mmos). Again I have to stress, if youre good enough to push emp for whatever reason (its something Im not keen on) why in the hell would you swap factions? That seems like an extreme case and something that would hardly show up at all. Losing alliance ranks for assualt/defense skills shouldn't happen either, at that point you should have the same thing for the regular race change as well. I change from a highelf to a woodelf (same alliance) I loose my assault and support lines as well?

Also they really should add Faction in the race change, very misleading

Social economics can be quite toxic, that can push people to change factions I have seen this before on PS4 many times and will continue to. That would be the biggest reason why people leave. It's fine if you disagree with my alliance rank/alliance skills reset suggestion, but lets be honest here. It seems only fair to the peoples of the native alliance. Having a Grand Overlord muscle in when they didn't earn the rank in that native alliance is just dumb.

However, you are correct if we're going to assume the guy with friends and number wants to push emp, he would stay in his bro-coded alliance. But let me throw a cork in that for a second, I do happen to know people I ran with that have friends on other alliances. What do you do then if he were to keep his alliance rank/alliance skills, swapped alliances on the same character then pushed for emperor as a different color? That is a pretty big slap in the face to all the people he bro-coded in his native alliance.

It's understandable you don't care about loyalty. But, you are also not everyone else out there that is fighting for you or for emperorship. I have seen my alliance get really toxic with folks who re-rolled into my faction, do you honestly think they're gonna like it when these swappers push for emp?

thats between him and his friends, see social economics works its self out, and its typically done within that group of people. Again if I am a high rank and I swap over so be it, as long as when I swap I lose what ever my status was when I changed. If youre going to be toxic because someone changes over, its part of your social economics, if you dont like it dont help that guy push. Not my fault people dont like it when more competition is brought in to test them, thats something the guy who swapped and wants to push emp and the people of his alliance to work out. And if thats the case whats the difference than if I level an alt of another alliance and I do the same thing? By your logic we shouldnt be able to have multiple factions on one account