Lich - What to use with it? [Magsorc]

psychotic13

So basically I'm re-gearing my MagSorc and figured I've never used the Lich but now I'll be able to farm it from dungeons it's more appealing.

So far I'm decided on x2 Infernal Guardian and x5 Lich this leaves 5 slots left for the front bar, question is what's great to pair with it?

My first choice was sharpened vMSA staff and x4 Overwhelming Surge, but I don't enjoy vMSA at all, so I figured I'd try use something without that grind involved. This would give 1k Magicka and 450SD.

Second option was Destruction Mastery, I figured this would work well but I cannot for the life of me find any weapons let alone a sharpened inferno (I have another thread about that so if they exist let me know) I'm on console btw, no one tamriel yet. This would give 130 SD, 3.4k Magicka and 3% crit.

But if I can't go for option 2, and I don't want to spend so much time in the vMSA I'm not really sure what the best alternative would be? Going willpower and Torugs would give me 1.4k Magicka and 320SD. Feels like the other 2 options would be better or is there another option?

Minalan

Try the spinner set, the 4K spell penetration is amazing.

psychotic13

Minalan wrote: »

Try the spinner set, the 4K spell penetration is amazing.

It did cross my mind, but really I don't think I need the extra penetration, with LA a sharpened staff and some CP I feel it's enough. Everyone talks about this heavy armor meta, but I don't see it. Not that many enemies I run into in PvP are wearing heavy..?

Rohamad_Ali

psychotic13 wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Try the spinner set, the 4K spell penetration is amazing.

It did cross my mind, but really I don't think I need the extra penetration, with LA a sharpened staff and some CP I feel it's enough. Everyone talks about this heavy armor meta, but I don't see it. Not that many enemies I run into in PvP are wearing heavy..?

You don't see heavy armor builds in PvP ? What platform are you on if I may ask .

psychotic13

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Try the spinner set, the 4K spell penetration is amazing.

It did cross my mind, but really I don't think I need the extra penetration, with LA a sharpened staff and some CP I feel it's enough. Everyone talks about this heavy armor meta, but I don't see it. Not that many enemies I run into in PvP are wearing heavy..?

You don't see heavy armor builds in PvP ? What platform are you on if I may ask .

I'm not saying I don't see them, but they are a low population. Xbox EU. Mostly people using viper/veli

psychotic13

I don't suppose burning spellweave is decent at all in PvP?

Flameheart

psychotic13 wrote: »

I don't suppose burning spellweave is decent at all in PvP?

It's decent and maybe even bis for a PvE magicka DK, but no idea for PvP.

leepalmer95

I'd say go 2x skoria, 5x lich, 5x spell weave.

Spell weave will pretty much proc on cooldown as all your fire dots count. Plus it increases bat tooltip and such.

4s cooldown isn't much as it's 720 spell dmg just with major sorcery AND it always applies burning on proc, which is another 1k dot with dk passives and more skoria proc's.

If your going more group friendly s&b + grothdarr?

psychotic13

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'd say go 2x skoria, 5x lich, 5x spell weave.

Spell weave will pretty much proc on cooldown as all your fire dots count. Plus it increases bat tooltip and such.

4s cooldown isn't much as it's 720 spell dmg just with major sorcery AND it always applies burning on proc, which is another 1k dot with dk passives and more skoria proc's.

If your going more group friendly s&b + grothdarr?

Why Skoria? Surely that's below par for a sorc with no dots, and things like LL are useless in PvP.

I was hoping it would proc off of crushing shock and weaving? Maybe even infernal guardian

leepalmer95

psychotic13 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'd say go 2x skoria, 5x lich, 5x spell weave.

Spell weave will pretty much proc on cooldown as all your fire dots count. Plus it increases bat tooltip and such.

4s cooldown isn't much as it's 720 spell dmg just with major sorcery AND it always applies burning on proc, which is another 1k dot with dk passives and more skoria proc's.

If your going more group friendly s&b + grothdarr?

Why Skoria? Surely that's below par for a sorc with no dots, and things like LL are useless in PvP.

I was hoping it would proc off of crushing shock and weaving? Maybe even infernal guardian

Sry, for some reason i though't this was a mag dk thread.. too many open.

For a sorc try infernal + spinners + lich.

Autolycus

I'd also recommend Spinner's for the spell penetration. Against the squishiest opponents, it will afford a significant amount damage and will usually keep them on the defensive, so they will have to force an opening to burst you down. It leaves the ball in your playing field most of the time. Against tankier opponents, the penetration is even more important. You can't really have "too much" penetration in pvp, particularly since many tank-types stack resistances above the hard caps in an effort to remain at those hard caps after penetration. Of course, that doesn't automatically mean penetration is the best route to go, just food for thought.

Theoretically, you can drop resistances to 0 and going beyond that would be "too much," but the chances of you dropping them to 0 are pretty slim. You'd have to have a lot of debuffs running for that, and to do so would require a group of people. I can't speak for everyone out there, but I know that in my squishiest builds (those that are designed to gank, or simply designed for consistently high burst and recovery) can still get 15-20k resistances. A sharpened destro is around 2.6k penetration, full light armor (from the passive) is almost 5k, and Spinner's is 4k. If nothing else is added, this totals around 11.6k. In short, this isn't "too much" except in the squishiest of builds where they only have 10-12k resistances. For reference, a stam sorc in all medium with only Hurricane active can attain ~18-20k resistances.