On Honor of the Dead : Not working as intended

Sizaansil

Hi everyone

I noticed yesterday that Honor of the Dead (Rushed Ceremony morph) was bugged not in one but two ways !
I don't think there has been a post mentioning one of those two bugs (I think those bugs have been introduced with the 2.6 or perhaps a bit before) and I apologize if someone has already made a thread about it.
I first thought I would make a simple bug report to ZOS but then figured out I should actually share it with everyone.
If anyone can confirm the bugs, that will be very well appreciated


Bug 1 :

"Healing anyone who is below 75% Health restores 60% of the ability's cost over 8 seconds as Magicka"
You only get the magicka return if the target is below 75% after the heal is applied, not before as it should be


Bug 2 :

If you recast another Honor of the Dead during that period of 8 sec, the magicka return ticks of the previous HotD will be cancelled thus not giving 60% of the cost back but less.
Example : my HotD costs 3000 Magicka. I heal someone from 20% hp to 30%. 4 seconds after the first cast, I use it again to heal from 30% to 40% hp.

What we should get is :
1st Cast : + 360 magicka instantly (12% of the cost)
2 sec after the 1st cast : 360 magicka
4 sec after the 1st cast : 360 + 360 magicka (the second HotD comes)
6 sec after the 1st cast : 360 + 360 magicka
8 sec after the 1st cast : 360 + 360 magicka
10 sec after the 1st cast : 360 magicka
12 sec after the 1st cast : 360 magicka
Total magicka return : 3600

What we get instead is :
1st Cast : 360 magicka refound instantly
2 sec after the 1st cast : 360 magicka
4 sec after the 1st cast : 360 + 360 magicka
6 sec after the 1st cast : 360 magicka
8 sec after the 1st cast : 360 magicka
10 sec after the 1st cast : 360 magicka
12 sec after the 1st cast : 360 magicka
Total magicka return : 2880

Sometimes even one of the tick at 4 sec gets cancelled (I assume it depends on when exactly you cast the second one).

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Looking forward to see it fixed

bigted209

My guess is the new cast cancels out the old casts magic regen and applies a new one, similar to say casting proxy det on yourself before the original det has gone off. I could be wrong, but I feel like this is the case and the returns don't stack.

Sizaansil

That's also what I thought first but if I remember correctly it wasn't working like that in 2.3 (I think it was) and indeed it would feel so wrong (at least when reading the tooltip) not to get everything you are supposed to ^^

LeifErickson

So when you heal with this ability, you only get the magicka return if you have less than 75% of your total health?

@BurritoESO

danno8

LeifErickson wrote: »

So when you heal with this ability, you only get the magicka return if you have less than 75% of your total health?

@BurritoESO

I can confirm that the magicka return is no longer happening if you heal someone whos health (before the heal is applied) is lower than 75%.

As to the overwrite effect, I am pretty sure that's the way it has always been. Effects like this are typically overwritten and do not stack with each other.

Brutusmax1mus

The magicka return has always been like that. I'll have to test this threshold issue myself. That's a huge problem as it's the only reason i took the morph.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

nordsavage

What you listed is exactly how the spell does and should work. The healing when the target is below 75% then cast for regen is right. Then the magicka regen is a buff and just like every buff in the game it is replaced and refreshed. You are wrong this is working as intended this thread is pointless.

danno8

nordsavage wrote: »

What you listed is exactly how the spell does and should work. The healing when the target is below 75% then cast for regen is right. Then the magicka regen is a buff and just like every buff in the game it is replaced and refreshed. You are wrong this is working as intended this thread is pointless.

You misunderstood the first problem.

If you heal someone who is at say 10% health but that takes them to over 75% health, you do not get the regeneration buff. That is certainly not how it used to work, and is not what the tooltip says either.

Sizaansil

If the second part is actually an intended mechanic, then my apologies

nordsavage wrote: »

What you listed is exactly how the spell does and should work. The healing when the target is below 75% then cast for regen is right. Then the magicka regen is a buff and just like every buff in the game it is replaced and refreshed. You are wrong this is working as intended this thread is pointless.

The first part is for sure not working as intended

psxfloh

Sizaansil wrote: »

If the second part is actually an intended mechanic, then my apologies

I'd still see it as a bug - the tooltip says "you get that magicka back", not "you get that magicka back, unless...".