This is why I don't do dungeons

Carbonised

I tend to avoid group content in this game, mostly because pretty much everyone you come across tend to behave like the crudest and most antisocial jerks.
With One Tam, however, I kind of wanted to get my Vaults of Madness monster shoulders to match my helm, so that means doing daily pledges.

Scenario I:
Did a PUG in VoM and BC, the daily pledges, everything went fairly well. We had me, a maxed CP DPS with decent gear and rotation, a tank CP 300 ish and doing good, and someone who was rather new, CP 100 or so. At the last boss everyone but me wiped to his mechanics, but I did a quick explanation of how the AOE's work, I mean, you can't just expect someone CP 100 who seemeed rather new to know that. It's alright, it's what to be expected in a PUG. Oh well, tank and I wanted to do vWGT as well. So we get an experienced healer and a DD to join along. The other DD was clearly good, did a lot of DPS and was 800 CP or so. At the Harvester boss, tank did some silly mistake and wiped, and soon after the rest of the group wiped. I tried to rezz him, but unfortunately he was laying in the blue fire and I couldn't target him. Rezzing can be frustrating as it is, trying to target the body. So we wipe, and the 800+ DD writes in group chat "Next wipe and I leave". Wow. Clearly the cozy type. We do the rest of WGT, we're doing great, no wipes, no deaths either I believe. Inhibitor goes very well, and we get to Kena on hard mode. We're doing good, unfortunately I made a silly mistake and died. Right after me, 800 CP DD dies too (!!). And we have a wipe. Right after that, the other DD again types in group chat "Ok, last try or I leave". Wow. Well we try again, and get her down without too much trouble.

Scenario II:
Having done all my dailies, I try and make another PUG for vVoM, since I want to grind for some of the gear there. We do a 3 DD 1 tank run, everyone's on max CP, and we have 1 of the DDs who wears the dromathra skin and has like 700 CP. So clearly an experienced type. Ok we're doing good, bosses go down very fast, as expected with 3 maxed DDs, and the tank comments in group chat "Nice DPS ", then dromathra guy answers "No, not really, it's pretty sucky". Wow. Well I reply something like "The DPS is pretty alright here, and it's not like this is vMoL anyway, we don't need a million DPS to get through here". After that the other dd goes completely bonkers. Calling me pretty much every expletive in the book, how all his magDK guildies pulled at least 50k DPS (yeah right), how he was doing 65 % of the DPS of our group and carried us through it etc etc. This went on and on all the way to the end, him simply fuming himself up even more.

Well good riddance and good bye. Moral of the story? Sorry, there is none. Observation? Why is it that it's always the so-called "hardcore" players of this game who have to be so completely unpleasant and downright rude and demeaning to everyone.
If we had wiped over and over several times, well I would have left too. We're talking about a tank who did one simple mistake in vWGT, and bam it's threats about leaving group. We even did the speed run in WGT for crying out loud, and did Inhibitor without a single death.
And even when we're not even dying or wiping, someone still has to make an issue about how the DPS was "unsatisfactory" to his taste, even though bosses melted around us.

Yeah, this is why I don't do dungeons, or group content in general. Sorry, but most of you are generally just horrible people to be around.

ZOS_JohanaB

We moved this to DUNGEONS, TRIALS & ARENAS

leipatemeibbaa

Just leave ESO and leave the rest of us alone.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Ive never understood people like this. The question i usually ask, Is this good enough to get us through here? If the answer is yes the rest doesnt matter. If that is a problem for you, dont pug.

kadar

I hate when talented players are utter and absolute A** Holes. Like. I want to play with them, because it's nice having an experienced group, but...It's not worth it.

I'm floating between 28 and 35k DPS in sustained (like 5 minutes) single target fights. Would his 50k DPS group have kicked me? Probably. I need to L2P.

Bryanonymous

To the OP, I totally understand the attitude you are referring to. It's because internet plus random pieces of trash. That's all.

Carbonised

The_Outsider wrote: »

I hate when talented players are utter and absolute A** Holes. Like. I want to play with them, because it's nice having an experienced group, but...It's not worth it.

I'm floating between 28 and 35k DPS in sustained (like 5 minutes) single target fights. Would his 50k DPS group have kicked me? Probably. I need to L2P.

That's pretty much how I would describe myself as well. And someone I would want to group up with. Good enough to be good support in a dungeon, but not an elitist jackas$.

Too bad you're on NA and not EU =p

SanTii.92

Can't deny I've seen some players like what you describe but they are such a small portion of the population. You shouldn't feel discourge cause of it. Try running dungeons with a guild.

Foxic

I see forum posts like this all the time. I'm starting to believe they're made up. As I have t run into anyone that toxic since like PC launch.

I have seen more less experienced players demean people that take the game seriously to be honest.

I've been doing alot of maw runs lately to get all of my guildies their skins. After a complete last week someone in one of my trade guilds said "I wish I could clear maw, but I have a girlfriend and a life"

There are *** in every part of esos community, stop trying to blame it on the "hardcore" players

Carbonised

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

I see forum posts like this all the time. I'm starting to believe they're made up. As I have t run into anyone that toxic since like PC launch.

I have seen more less experienced players demean people that take the game seriously to be honest.

I've been doing alot of maw runs lately to get all of my guildies their skins. After a complete last week someone in one of my trade guilds said "I wish I could clear maw, but I have a girlfriend and a life"

There are *** in every part of esos community, stop trying to blame it on the "hardcore" players

No I'm not going to stop that. Because whether you believe it or not doesn't really matter to me, but my examples above are not made up, they're from today. Or how about yesterday when I asked to get an invite for a vRoM group, said I had completed it on normal, knew the mechanics (which I do), and have a decent build (which I also do). Answer? "Can't waste my time on that, find someone else" simply because I have yet to finish the last boss on vet, and therefore don't have the achievement.

Or how about 2 days ago when someone asked for a vHA trial group in one of my trade guilds. Sure we had 1-2 guys who died quite often, sure the bosses did take a little long to get through, but after like 2 bosses, the (again someone with 800+ CP and dromathra skin) group leader stated in group chat "when I asked for good dps, this wasn't what i f*ing meant" and disbanded the group.

Funny thing is, these examples are always from these so-called "hardcore" dungeon runners and trial runners. You see their CP, you see their titles, and you see their trial and dungeon skins.
Most other 'regular' people I come across are fairly easy to group with, and somewhow it's always the elitists who come off as my 2 examples from today.

Foxic

Carbonised wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

I see forum posts like this all the time. I'm starting to believe they're made up. As I have t run into anyone that toxic since like PC launch.

I have seen more less experienced players demean people that take the game seriously to be honest.

I've been doing alot of maw runs lately to get all of my guildies their skins. After a complete last week someone in one of my trade guilds said "I wish I could clear maw, but I have a girlfriend and a life"

There are *** in every part of esos community, stop trying to blame it on the "hardcore" players

No I'm not going to stop that. Because whether you believe it or not doesn't really matter to me, but my examples above are not made up, they're from today. Or how about yesterday when I asked to get an invite for a vRoM group, said I had completed it on normal, knew the mechanics (which I do), and have a decent build (which I also do). Answer? "Can't waste my time on that, find someone else" simply because I have yet to finish the last boss on vet, and therefore don't have the achievement.

Or how about 2 days ago when someone asked for a vHA trial group in one of my trade guilds. Sure we had 1-2 guys who died quite often, sure the bosses did take a little long to get through, but after like 2 bosses, the (again someone with 800+ CP and dromathra skin) group leader stated in group chat "when I asked for good dps, this wasn't what i f*ing meant" and disbanded the group.

Funny thing is, these examples are always from these so-called "hardcore" dungeon runners and trial runners. You see their CP, you see their titles, and you see their trial and dungeon skins.
Most other 'regular' people I come across are fairly easy to group with, and somewhow it's always the elitists who come off as my 2 examples from today.

We can trade stories all day, doesn't make this post any less ignorant

WhiteMage

Did you know you can be kicked from a pledge group (from the group finder) for carrying the group? I queued as a DD and Healer (I can do either or both at the same time) and was assigned DD (much to my surprise) because there was someone who queued only as a healer. That's fine. Anyway, I was in the middle of something as the dungeon popped so I mapped in after about 30 seconds and I see them already halfway through the first room. No problem there, it's wayrest sewers so I expect nothing less. Dungeon proceeds as normal. After slimecraw I pull all the adds, meteor them down, no one dies. It was a little sloppy because these low CP group members (200-300 range) pushed into the npcs rather then letting them ball up so I helped with supplemental BoL heals. Whatever.

By the time we finished Investigator Garron, I'm the one leading the pack and pulling all the adds and bosses but no one is dying and the healer isn't having a hard time because I'm a magplar so the more adds the merrier. First Pellingare boss (I didn't pull this one, I went for the mud crabs) the healer gets 1-shot because he's standing still. I see him often drop to 50% and stay there but don't feel the need to top just him off cause that's his job. By the next pack of adds I'm done with the room just as they arrive and then I go into the hallway to pull more adds to keep things rolling. For the first time anyone talks the healer says:

[SNIP] <--- clearly it wasn't a nice thing for him to say
"I'm trying to equip my 5 piece."

I think that's weird, how long can that take? So I finish the adds I am on and wait for them to catch up. They reach me, the other DD had been standing with me for a while helping. They engage the next adds and then I pull the ones further up, and solo them because they take a long time by just standing there. I finish killing these mobs and receive a message saying the group voted to kick me. Mmmm yeah. Ok. No communication with me at all and straight to kicking.

Pugs. They'll kick you for carrying them.
Not all of them are your average "good people." My only consolation is they probably wiped on the final boss without ever finishing because of the unpredictable attacks 1-shoting them.

Carbonised

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

I see forum posts like this all the time. I'm starting to believe they're made up. As I have t run into anyone that toxic since like PC launch.

I have seen more less experienced players demean people that take the game seriously to be honest.

I've been doing alot of maw runs lately to get all of my guildies their skins. After a complete last week someone in one of my trade guilds said "I wish I could clear maw, but I have a girlfriend and a life"

There are *** in every part of esos community, stop trying to blame it on the "hardcore" players

No I'm not going to stop that. Because whether you believe it or not doesn't really matter to me, but my examples above are not made up, they're from today. Or how about yesterday when I asked to get an invite for a vRoM group, said I had completed it on normal, knew the mechanics (which I do), and have a decent build (which I also do). Answer? "Can't waste my time on that, find someone else" simply because I have yet to finish the last boss on vet, and therefore don't have the achievement.

Or how about 2 days ago when someone asked for a vHA trial group in one of my trade guilds. Sure we had 1-2 guys who died quite often, sure the bosses did take a little long to get through, but after like 2 bosses, the (again someone with 800+ CP and dromathra skin) group leader stated in group chat "when I asked for good dps, this wasn't what i f*ing meant" and disbanded the group.

Funny thing is, these examples are always from these so-called "hardcore" dungeon runners and trial runners. You see their CP, you see their titles, and you see their trial and dungeon skins.
Most other 'regular' people I come across are fairly easy to group with, and somewhow it's always the elitists who come off as my 2 examples from today.

We can trade stories all day, doesn't make this post any less ignorant

First you insinuate that I, and others, are lying and fabricating stories, then you call my experience and my retelling of it for ignorant. Wow, you sure managed to change my opinion on the veteran community here.

Foxic

WhiteMage wrote: »

Did you know you can be kicked from a pledge group (from the group finder) for carrying the group? I queued as a DD and Healer (I can do either or both at the same time) and was assigned DD (much to my surprise) because the was someone who queued only as a healer. That's fine. Anyway, I was in the middle of something as the dungeon popped so I mapped in after about 30 seconds and I see them already halfway through the first room. No problem there, it's wayrest sewers so I expect nothing less. Dungeon proceeds as normal. After slimecraw I pull all the adds, meteor them down, no one dies. It was a little sloppy because these low CP group members (200-300 range) pushed into the npcs rather then letting them ball up so I help with supplemental BoL heals. Whatever.

By the time we finished investigator garron, I'm the one leading the pack and pulling all the adds and bosses but no one is dying and the healer isn't having a hard time because I'm a magplar so the more adds the merrier. First pellingare boss (I didn't pull this one, I went for the mud crabs) the healer gets 1-shot because he's standing still. I see him often drop to 50% and stay there but don't feel the need to top just him off cause that's his job. By the next pack of adds I'm done with the room just as the arrive and then I go into the hallway to pull more adds to keep things rolling. For the first time anyone talks the healer says:
[SNIP]
"I'm trying to equip my 5 piece."

I think that's weird, how long can that take? So I finish the adds I am on and wait for them to catch up. They reach me, the other DD had been standing with me for a while helping. They engage the next adds and then I pull the ones further up, and solo them because they take a long time by just standing there. I finish killing these mobs and receive a message saying the group voted to kick me. Mmmm yeah. Ok. No communication with me at all and straight to kicking.

Pugs. They'll kick you for carrying them.
Not all of them are your average "good people." My only consolation is they probably wiped on the final boss without ever finishing because of the unpredictable attacks 1-shoting them.

I once got asked to leave a group while we were on the final boss because I was "ruining our immersion". I said no and the 3 of them left

Foxic

Carbonised wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

I see forum posts like this all the time. I'm starting to believe they're made up. As I have t run into anyone that toxic since like PC launch.

I have seen more less experienced players demean people that take the game seriously to be honest.

I've been doing alot of maw runs lately to get all of my guildies their skins. After a complete last week someone in one of my trade guilds said "I wish I could clear maw, but I have a girlfriend and a life"

There are *** in every part of esos community, stop trying to blame it on the "hardcore" players

No I'm not going to stop that. Because whether you believe it or not doesn't really matter to me, but my examples above are not made up, they're from today. Or how about yesterday when I asked to get an invite for a vRoM group, said I had completed it on normal, knew the mechanics (which I do), and have a decent build (which I also do). Answer? "Can't waste my time on that, find someone else" simply because I have yet to finish the last boss on vet, and therefore don't have the achievement.

Or how about 2 days ago when someone asked for a vHA trial group in one of my trade guilds. Sure we had 1-2 guys who died quite often, sure the bosses did take a little long to get through, but after like 2 bosses, the (again someone with 800+ CP and dromathra skin) group leader stated in group chat "when I asked for good dps, this wasn't what i f*ing meant" and disbanded the group.

Funny thing is, these examples are always from these so-called "hardcore" dungeon runners and trial runners. You see their CP, you see their titles, and you see their trial and dungeon skins.
Most other 'regular' people I come across are fairly easy to group with, and somewhow it's always the elitists who come off as my 2 examples from today.

We can trade stories all day, doesn't make this post any less ignorant

First you insinuate that I, and others, are lying and fabricating stories, then you call my experience and my retelling of it for ignorant. Wow, you sure managed to change my opinion on the veteran community here.

Is blaming an entire community based on what you experienced in a few pugs not ignorant?

Most of the actual raiding community doesn't even pug any runs, more often than not the toxic players you find are the "wannabe elite". They read a build forum or watched a YouTube video so they think they're hot *** and make fun of people during pledges because any actual good player would put them in their place

kadar

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

I see forum posts like this all the time. I'm starting to believe they're made up. As I have t run into anyone that toxic since like PC launch.

I have seen more less experienced players demean people that take the game seriously to be honest.

I've been doing alot of maw runs lately to get all of my guildies their skins. After a complete last week someone in one of my trade guilds said "I wish I could clear maw, but I have a girlfriend and a life"

There are *** in every part of esos community, stop trying to blame it on the "hardcore" players

No I'm not going to stop that. Because whether you believe it or not doesn't really matter to me, but my examples above are not made up, they're from today. Or how about yesterday when I asked to get an invite for a vRoM group, said I had completed it on normal, knew the mechanics (which I do), and have a decent build (which I also do). Answer? "Can't waste my time on that, find someone else" simply because I have yet to finish the last boss on vet, and therefore don't have the achievement.

Or how about 2 days ago when someone asked for a vHA trial group in one of my trade guilds. Sure we had 1-2 guys who died quite often, sure the bosses did take a little long to get through, but after like 2 bosses, the (again someone with 800+ CP and dromathra skin) group leader stated in group chat "when I asked for good dps, this wasn't what i f*ing meant" and disbanded the group.

Funny thing is, these examples are always from these so-called "hardcore" dungeon runners and trial runners. You see their CP, you see their titles, and you see their trial and dungeon skins.
Most other 'regular' people I come across are fairly easy to group with, and somewhow it's always the elitists who come off as my 2 examples from today.

We can trade stories all day, doesn't make this post any less ignorant

You can't call someones experience ignorant because it's different from your experience. That's like saying, "I'm bias, but your opinion is invalid because you're biased."

Let's agree that players of all veins can be A** holes. I don't think anyone would dispute that.

Carbonised

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

I see forum posts like this all the time. I'm starting to believe they're made up. As I have t run into anyone that toxic since like PC launch.

I have seen more less experienced players demean people that take the game seriously to be honest.

I've been doing alot of maw runs lately to get all of my guildies their skins. After a complete last week someone in one of my trade guilds said "I wish I could clear maw, but I have a girlfriend and a life"

There are *** in every part of esos community, stop trying to blame it on the "hardcore" players

No I'm not going to stop that. Because whether you believe it or not doesn't really matter to me, but my examples above are not made up, they're from today. Or how about yesterday when I asked to get an invite for a vRoM group, said I had completed it on normal, knew the mechanics (which I do), and have a decent build (which I also do). Answer? "Can't waste my time on that, find someone else" simply because I have yet to finish the last boss on vet, and therefore don't have the achievement.

Or how about 2 days ago when someone asked for a vHA trial group in one of my trade guilds. Sure we had 1-2 guys who died quite often, sure the bosses did take a little long to get through, but after like 2 bosses, the (again someone with 800+ CP and dromathra skin) group leader stated in group chat "when I asked for good dps, this wasn't what i f*ing meant" and disbanded the group.

Funny thing is, these examples are always from these so-called "hardcore" dungeon runners and trial runners. You see their CP, you see their titles, and you see their trial and dungeon skins.
Most other 'regular' people I come across are fairly easy to group with, and somewhow it's always the elitists who come off as my 2 examples from today.

We can trade stories all day, doesn't make this post any less ignorant

First you insinuate that I, and others, are lying and fabricating stories, then you call my experience and my retelling of it for ignorant. Wow, you sure managed to change my opinion on the veteran community here.

Is blaming an entire community based on what you experienced in a few pugs not ignorant?

Most of the actual raiding community doesn't even pug any runs, more often than not the toxic players you find are the "wannabe elite". They read a build forum or watched a YouTube video so they think they're hot *** and make fun of people during pledges because any actual good player would put them in their place

You're free to make your own thread about the horrible casual players you find in PUGs, instead of coming here and accusing me of lying and making up stories.

I mean, what kind of reply do you even expect from that.

And someone with 800 CP who cleared vMoL isn't exactly "someone who read a build on a forum", so you're wrong again.

Ashtaris

I've been in a few pugs where the players were just plain jerks, but most of the time if there were, they are the ones who got the boot This is one of the main reasons I prefer running dungeons with my guildies. We know each other, know our capabilities, and generally just have fun. RL is stressful enough as it is, no need to add more from a game.

The guys that bother me are the Leroy's, usually a DPS who thinks they are awesome, running ahead of the tank and healer, drawing all the agro, usually dying in the process, and then blame everyone else for their death. Bah Sometimes people forget that you are suppose to do dungeons as a four man TEAM, not a one man "Look at me I'm AWESOME"!

Woeler

Don't pug. Join a guild.

AzraelKrieg

I tend to PUG the non-DLC dungeons and COA2 and I usually don't have too many problems. Last night however during the vVOM pledge I had to rage quit because of the tank. I'm running on my healer and no one is dying.... Except me. And I narrowed down why on the first mini boss. The group is the "stack and burn to hell" type. If you're unfamiliar with the first mini boss in VOM, the wraith, it has a tether attack. When it tethers someone all damage it takes is shared with the person tethered. Guess who got tethered? And guess who died because of the group not knowing the mechanic?

Anyway, I shrug that off as the boss did die quickly. Next is the first boss, the harvester. And I'm still recovering from the death at the wraith. Tank pulls, bridge is now aflame and I'm running as fast as possible to get out of it and I'm dead. Great. Don't bother checking to see if everyone is grouped up, just pull the damn thing and let your healer die. Rude. Bone colossus and flesh atronach go alright but I'm reluctant to heal the tank because they caused my death so I thought I'd pay them back. I'm not a petty person usually but they did pull all the trash in connecting rooms and just ran through them leaving the rest of the group to try and fight through it all.

After the fleshie, the next mini boss is a daedroth and his handlers. And the tank has pulled two hallways of feral shriven, the trash in the boss' room, and the boss before the rest of the group is there. And I'm now dead again. At this point, I've had enough. I'm tired from work, I just wanted to the pledges, get my keys and go on to do other stuff. Two deaths because the tank is running face first into crap and pulling everything before everyone is gathered up is just stupid so I tell the tank to go "F*** them self" and quit the group. I don't do that but when you're being stupid, I'm going to get pretty annoyed and tell you off. So OP you aren't the only one with bad dungeon experiences. Not by a long shot. But not all players are like this thankfully though I did need to tell off the DPS I ran through the pledges with later to stop running ahead into crap because I will stop healing them. They were in my guild so they knew about the vVOM run I just had

disintegr8

There as many experienced players that are complete #?&#s in PUGS as there are lower level players.

Ran normal banished cells last night with 2 level 20 somethings and another vet. After round one at the first boss location I get a vote to kick for the lowest level, thinking maybe I missed something that they did or didn't do, I stupidly selected Yes.

We three man the next 2 rounds (banekins and shadowfend or whatever it is) while the replacement comes in, another high level player. On the way to the next fight I get a vote to kick the other low level player but this time I stick to my guns and reject it. We finished the dungeon in quick smart time with no troubles at all.

Nobody was in chat and nobody texted, so I do not know if there was a reason to want to kick the low levels out but it was only normal banished cells. There was no need to kick anyone, nobody had died, so either someone did not want to run with them or they felt we were taking too long.

AzraelKrieg

disintegr8 wrote: »

There as many experienced players that are complete #?&#s in PUGS as there are lower level players.

Ran normal banished cells last night with 2 level 20 somethings and another vet. After round one at the first boss location I get a vote to kick for the lowest level, thinking maybe I missed something that they did or didn't do, I stupidly selected Yes.

We three man the next 2 rounds (banekins and shadowfend or whatever it is) while the replacement comes in, another high level player. On the way to the next fight I get a vote to kick the other low level player but this time I stick to my guns and reject it. We finished the dungeon in quick smart time with no troubles at all.

Nobody was in chat and nobody texted, so I do not know if there was a reason to want to kick the low levels out but it was only normal banished cells. There was no need to kick anyone, nobody had died, so either someone did not want to run with them or they felt we were taking too long.

Probably was the high level player. The other low level may have clicked it without thinking just as you did.

Vangy

I think people really need to understand elitistm =/= being pricks. Or maybe im mistaken in my understanding im not sure.

I play with a group of friends/guildies that I know are as good as, if not better than me. I guess that makes me an elitist? Im not sure. The meaning of elitist seems to be anywhere between top player or jack-ass or noob-who-talks-a-lot. Its been used in so many different ways and contexts im kinda confused about what it means anymore.

As for me,

I. Dont. Pug. I just feel that pugging just invites trouble where things can get out of hand and the DLC dungeons are realllllly pug unfriendly. I have 2 PvE guilds full of friends who I know are leet and pretty much all I need to do is LF peeps in chat and there will def be multiple hits with all roles. Most experienced players in this game have no need to pug and prolly have a repitoire of friends on their list. Also, I consider pugging beneath me (/sarcasm.) =X

Sure I have heated discussions and arguments with friends about how to best min-max a particular build etc, but none of that devolves into petty name calling or "imma quit guild/group/etc etc" arguments. At worst, we agree to disagree and keep playing our toons the way we see fit.

This also means I dont go around forming pug groups and then dissing every1 in it. Sure if I have a friend in ts and we had a pug deeps or tank we might go "wow this pug is spamming bow auto attacks LOL, we need to carry him" etc. But never do we kick or trash talk or name-call any1 in public (what goes on in our TS is our business tyvm) if we CHOSE to pug. If you want to pug, that's a risk u need to be willing to take and ACCEPT. When I say accept it means u need to be ready and willing to wipe a few times, or carry a particularly bad dps/heals/tank etc.

/end rant...

Carbonised

Woeler wrote: »

Don't pug. Join a guild.

It's a pity that you are forced to joining a guild or guilds in order to not have continuous horrible experiences. Either that or miss out on every content, and EQ, that's tied to group effort.

I don't like to use TS, I don't have a mic, I'm not playing this game to make friends or socialize. Which is pretty much what is expected if you join a guild. I pretty much just want to do the content to complete it, or obtain the rewards from there.

So again we're back at either doing the PUG'ing life and being treated like crap, or just not do it and have no chance of obtaining monster sets or new dungeon sets, not to mention trials.

Maybe I should make my own guild of fairly decent and experienced people who just like to find mates for dungeon and trial runs, and not have all the rest of the "guild package" that usually comes along with it.

Loc2262

I can totally understand your frustration with bad PUG experience!

Thing is though, in my opinion, a certain amount of "socialization" is simply required to do multi-player content in an MMO. By its very definition, doing group content in a multiplayer game requires communication and coordination.

Therefore, if you don't want to "socialize", don't want to join a guild, don't want to use TS, don't want to PUG etc, you're probably going to have to live with the fact that you'll be restricted to single-player content in this game. In which case, yes, sad as it is, you're not going to get monster or dungeon sets.

You can't blame that fact on the game though. Just like you can't blame it on the game if your pawns or rooks get captured all the time in chess.

daedalusAI

Carbonised wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Don't pug. Join a guild.

It's a pity that you are forced to joining a guild or guilds in order to not have continuous horrible experiences. Either that or miss out on every content, and EQ, that's tied to group effort.

I don't like to use TS, I don't have a mic, I'm not playing this game to make friends or socialize. Which is pretty much what is expected if you join a guild. I pretty much just want to do the content to complete it, or obtain the rewards from there.

So again we're back at either doing the PUG'ing life and being treated like crap, or just not do it and have no chance of obtaining monster sets or new dungeon sets, not to mention trials.

Maybe I should make my own guild of fairly decent and experienced people who just like to find mates for dungeon and trial runs, and not have all the rest of the "guild package" that usually comes along with it.

If you're confident in your own ability and you get one of those know-it-all-max-cp players do as I do and observe his every move and point out their mistakes: if they would be really confident in their ability to play your feedback would be appreciated - but more often than not you can really get under their skin doing that: it's like being a mirror and reflecting how "good" they are.

I tell you: it really is fun.

Asardes

Since One Tamriel I haven't even bothered to PuG anything from tool. I've already attuned for my newbie sins by PuG-ing my way trough random veteran dungeons from 300 to 500 CP in 2.5 months, between TG and DB, and teaching numerous newbies the boss mechanics in each of the vanilla game veteran and normal dungeons (now version I and II).

Now only the veteran version gives a head, and the hard mode of that 2 keys. So if I choose to run a dungeon, I'll run that for maximum efficiency - I only have so much time in a day. Of course, I don't get awfully disappointing if we can't beat Na-Kesh or Velidreth on hard mode, but if the group has a hard time in easier dungeons like VICP and WVGT, wiping repeatedly at mini-bosses or even trash packs I will first try to explain the mechanic, then leave if they don't correct themselves.

For example yesterday I was asking in my guilds to group for pledges and there was one group that was stuck at Inhibitor. The tank had left or got booted, I didn't ask. But the group was decent. We finished that on 1st try with no one dying. I was even surprised how fast he went down. We did the hard mode on the boss from first try. Someone died in the lightning wave phase, but was resurrected in time and the boss got nuked.

The problem was that I needed also the first boss to turn in the pledge and I also like farming the dungeon because I still don't have all SPC divines. Found one that looked pretty decent, with CP400+ players. We nearly wiped at the harvester because one got caged and the healer ran of to free him. I don't understand why some groups do that because that lock can be picked by the caged player in a few seconds - as tank I got caged quite a few times and had no problems breaking free, sprinting back to the fight and throwing a standard on the boss when I got there. Next there were a few close calls at the trash packs, although everything was taloned down, taunted and poisoned as usual. We finally got to the 3 DK bosses that are usually a breeze if you prioritize them and don't stay in the AoE. But there they started dying like flies. They were just being hit in the face by AoE, without any attempts to dodge - I can't understand how people get hundreds of CP and don't know to block or dodge. The healing was lackluster too - you can distinguish good healer from bad by the fact the former stacks HoTs while the latter just spams BoL. Had my first wipe ever at that boss.

We finally got trough that and arrived at the Inhibitor. I told them to keep the damned atronach in one place while he is in red phase, because otherwise it's very hard to DD, heal and rotate on the pinion effectively. But instead they kited him all over the place and died to it quite easily, just like they did at the DKs. After the 1st wipe I told the healer to put ritual down around the pinion - still no combat prayer in my character window though, I always check that. Despite that the other 2 DDs just continued their game of kite'n'die. I quit after 4-5 failed attempts because I was simply wasting my time at that point as all quest objectives were completed. So quitting a group that's bad, after you pointed out what they have to do, is simply the only thing you can do to save your time and also avoid getting jaded.