Stam nb tank help

RavenSworn

Hi all!

Had a change of heart and thinking if I should tank with stamina or magicka with nb. Right now I'm happy with the current setup as I can quest using two hander and dealing good damage as well.

But the SAP tank was what I had before the update and it worked wonders. Just wondering what I can slot for the builds as a stamina nb tank setup.

Brrrofski

I've ran a saptank for a while now and was thinking how I could tank om a stam nb. I was going to try something with the hunt set and use shades to proc it bit never got around to it.

I imagine you're spending your entire time just struggling to restore stam and not bringing anything to the group. At least with a sap tank you're providing a decent amount of healing abd dps.

WalksonGraves

Go mag nb tank its easier, frees up stam for blocking.

RavenSworn

The thing is I currently use a sort of hybrid stat tank with all points in stamina and enchants / potions for both health and magicka. I am running the SAP tank as well albeit with a more stamina focused. Haven't had any trouble sustaining stamina since really, with the new block ultimate and bolstering darkness, I can literally regain back the stamina and then some.

Light attack weaving is the best advice I've gotten from a lot of the guides out there but again, most are running magicka based sap tank. I need a different approach and the best I've got is this:

Shield Discipline

Pierce Armor
Heroic Slash
Shadow Image
Mirage
Inner Rage


Veil of Blades / Bolstering Darkness

Pierce Armor
Surprise Attack
Swallow Soul
Siphoning Attacks
Relentless Focus / Power Extraction

Both bars are sword and board, bosmer 5 heavy 2 medium.

The problem is I don't seem to do really well with groups unless I drop the veil (which does happen quite often) but it's not generating fast enough for lightning groups. Granted the dps already has this covered and I don't really need to get all the mobs but it's not that much... Useful on my end.

kadar

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

Hi all!

Had a change of heart and thinking if I should tank with stamina or magicka with nb. Right now I'm happy with the current setup as I can quest using two hander and dealing good damage as well.

But the SAP tank was what I had before the update and it worked wonders. Just wondering what I can slot for the builds as a stamina nb tank setup.

I've never heard of one...

But my advice would be... Find a way to pull it off! Just cause it's not popular in game doesn't mean it can't be effective. Sounds like an interesting challenge to me.

edit: would Bone Shield be potentially useful?

kylewwefan

Defensive posture and it's morps absorb magic give you 8% reduced block cost for slotting. You should also put shield play enchants on all your jewelry. Footmans gives you 8% mitigation. DragonKnights might not need it. But it helps niteblade.

RavenSworn

The_Outsider wrote: »

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

Hi all!

Had a change of heart and thinking if I should tank with stamina or magicka with nb. Right now I'm happy with the current setup as I can quest using two hander and dealing good damage as well.

But the SAP tank was what I had before the update and it worked wonders. Just wondering what I can slot for the builds as a stamina nb tank setup.

I've never heard of one...

But my advice would be... Find a way to pull it off! Just cause it's not popular in game doesn't mean it can't be effective. Sounds like an interesting challenge to me.

edit: would Bone Shield be potentially useful?

Yeah was thinking spiked bone shield for the morphs, this would somewhat allay the need to use an aoe for group pulls.

How about I use dual wield for group pulls? It's much easier and faster I believe.

So it's gonna be:

Veil of Blades

Steel Tornado
Mirage
Funnel health
Bone shield
Deadly Cloak

Shield Discipline

Pierce armor
Inner rage
Siphoning Attacks
Absorb Magic
Relentless Focus

acw37162

Where are you getting your major physical and spell resistance buffs?

RavenSworn

acw37162 wrote: »

Where are you getting your major physical and spell resistance buffs?

Hence the forum post....? Theory crafting is back to the drawing board.. Yes?

cjhhickman39

Maybe move mirage and slot surprise attack

RavenSworn

cjhhickman39 wrote: »

Maybe move mirage and slot surprise attack

Should I slot shadow image instead since this will proc major ward and resolve as well as maim? It's a four second maim though which is short.

ninjaguyman

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

cjhhickman39 wrote: »

Maybe move mirage and slot surprise attack

Should I slot shadow image instead since this will proc major ward and resolve as well as maim? It's a four second maim though which is short.

if u slot shades, it would have to be the morph that gives 2 shades instead of shadow image. major ward and resolve from the shadow tree only lasts around 10 seconds or so. So if u want to have constant uptime on ur armor buffs, then u need to recast shades in the middle of its duration, which makes teleporting to your shadow image kinda annoying imo.

Edit: Or maybe u just meant dark shades in the first place, either way, the advice still stands.

acw37162

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Where are you getting your major physical and spell resistance buffs?

Hence the forum post....? Theory crafting is back to the drawing board.. Yes?

I don't see it in his build but he could also get it from Mighty Chudan and not need to slot a skill hence the question. I use refreshing path on my NB tank.

cjhhickman39

Sorry at work I like suprise attack 1) you get your wards up 2) helps keep the Argo centered on you because of the steady dps your doing with it

RavenSworn

ninjaguyman wrote: »

uniq_faznrb18_ESO wrote: »

cjhhickman39 wrote: »

Maybe move mirage and slot surprise attack

Should I slot shadow image instead since this will proc major ward and resolve as well as maim? It's a four second maim though which is short.

if u slot shades, it would have to be the morph that gives 2 shades instead of shadow image. major ward and resolve from the shadow tree only lasts around 10 seconds or so. So if u want to have constant uptime on ur armor buffs, then u need to recast shades in the middle of its duration, which makes teleporting to your shadow image kinda annoying imo.

Edit: Or maybe u just meant dark shades in the first place, either way, the advice still stands.

It acts as an escape as well. But yeah I get what you mean. I chose shadow image because as a questing tool against world bosses, it's heaven sent. Escaping without the need of teleport strike which will require a target in the first place.

I'm not convinced with twin shades as they don't add any other tool beside the maim. If they can attack multiple targets as well or at least attack the nearest enemy/enemies, that'll help.

cjhhickman39

Don't know if you like to farm
for sets but atherium archives set defending warrior will give you the spell and physical damage buffs your looking for plus a good 4000 points aoe every 10 sec while you block

actosh

I tank on my stam nb as well and use the sapmorph that scales off stam(onl in pledges).
In vet trials i havent run into ressource issues till now. Still a totaly unfinished build but i will try to pull my tankblade off. My dk is retired as i lost fun to play it anymore.

Saptank(magicka) is nice in pledges but i use my char for more then just tanking

RavenSworn

actosh wrote: »

I tank on my stam nb as well and use the sapmorph that scales off stam(onl in pledges).
In vet trials i havent run into ressource issues till now. Still a totaly unfinished build but i will try to pull my tankblade off. My dk is retired as i lost fun to play it anymore.

Saptank(magicka) is nice in pledges but i use my char for more then just tanking

Which is why I needed an alternative to magicka SAP tanking. Right now it's a bit different to tank with nb, some of the abilities have changed.. And not for the better. For instance, I don't see the stamina morph for SAP having heals, it's just the magicka morph now. That's a huge downer since stamina sap tank won't be viable, (which is a good thing though, magicka SAP tank needs those to be magicka.)

I've come up with a different way of tanking though, it's still good in 5mans but haven't had it tried against world bosses solo.

Veil of Blades ult
Pierce armor
Heroic slash
Mirage
Surprise attack
Absorb magic

Soul tether ult
Brawler
Swallow soul
Rally
Siphoning attacks
Utility slot (SAP essence, inner rage, spiked bone shield, refreshing paths, Critical rush / Lotus fan)

Reasons: I split the two bars into categories, stamina heavy bar with sword and board and magicka heavy with two hander. Basically pierce armor is so damn useful against bosses. Breach and fracture with one ability. Surprise attack deals fracture as well but I needed a spammable stamina ability that will proc the shadow passives.

Brawler + siphoning attacks + SAP essence / refreshing path = initial aoe aggro. Swallow soul will boost soul tether, rally and either SAP essence or refreshing paths.

The build seems to be working but again I've yet to test it on world bosses solo. Any easy gear I can get my hands to complement this build? I have whitestrake and death wind on me but I don't mind farming overland for easy sets. Goes to show how casual I am lol.