How to defeat WW in duels?

Hazel_knox

Hello, I have a VR 80 Sorc, and in the past few days I've gotten a lot better at dueling. One thing that I still lose to is the WW. My friend has a Templar, and I can beat him, he's only level 40. I can not however, beat him when he hits his WW form. My only bet is to run away, I can't out shield or out heal his WW form at all. So I was wondering if there's anything I can do to defeat a WW, or do I have to run away like a scared little ***** and hope I survive? Any information on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

Note: The only thing I can think of is 25% bonus with poison, but I use a lightning Staff and daggers.

Silver_Strider

Roots > WW
Use encase and let him waste all his stamina dodge rolling to break them trying desperately to close the gap and once he's in your face, steak and repeat. You'll occasionally get roared at and it will knock you down and do some damage but your damage shield should be able to eat most of the damage that does anyway.

Hazel_knox

Ok that sound's pretty solid, Just Keep him at bay until it wears off?

I'm assuming this implies that there is no physical way of beating a WW in that form?

DPG76

For what i know is fighters guild hurt them a lot if you take the skilled tracker passive , Dawnbreaker the ultim is pretty good then

Silver_Strider

Hazel_knox wrote: »

Ok that sound's pretty solid, Just Keep him at bay until it wears off?

I'm assuming this implies that there is no physical way of beating a WW in that form?

It's not that it is impossible to kill a Werewolf in WW form but it's very hard to survive the burst combo of a well played WW due to their hard hitting attacks and unblockable fear makes you a sitting duck for that combo if you don't have the stamina to break free instantly, which most magic builds don't.

Hazel_knox

Yea I have 5 Stamina, and the rest are invested into Magic. I know I'll never be the best, or be able to defeat everything. But if I could get the skills to be able to beat the average player in any duel, I will feel accomplished.

I think learning how to beat a WW in pure combat will help me get to that goal.

Strider_Roshin

Use poison, CC in order to destroy resources, use wings if you're a DK.

Hazel_knox

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Use poison, CC in order to destroy resources, use wings if you're a DK.

I'm a Sorc.

FriedEggSandwich

Yeah their hardest hitting skills are melee so, as has already been said, roots work well. If I have one in my face I streak through them just to allow me to be behind them for a second. Mines are a great way to deter melee attackers. I like to place mines at their feet and then streak to stun them giving the mines time to activate, then when they break free from streak stun they have to immediately dodge roll out of the mines. Also I've noticed that apart from their insane heal they're actually pretty squishy, so keep the pressure on them; curse on cooldown, medium weaves (light weaves with a shock staff), frags as soon as it procs and streak when they're in your face, and hope you get lucky with frag procs. Also atronach is an effective ulti to use in duels, he will help to keep the pressure on your foe

sadownik

Hazel_knox wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Use poison, CC in order to destroy resources, use wings if you're a DK.

I'm a Sorc.

Well it doesnt matter does it? Just make, loot or buy posion, slot it in proper place and here you go.

Hazel_knox

Not helpful @sadownik

olsborg

Id go with the root solution. Use encase and dont dmg him because that will extend his ww form by some 3s if I remember correct. Just wait it out until the 30 sec is up. Either encase or mines.

Hazel_knox

That seems to be the notion, root and wait, or be lucky and beat them if they're bad. Haha. Thanks everyone.

WuffyCerulei

Poison damage and poisons that ravage stamina, increasing cost of stamina abilities by 60% for abour 10 seconds.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Rearming trap and dawnbreaker. The end

FriedEggSandwich

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Rearming trap and dawnbreaker. The end

As a magicka sorc? I don't even have any FG passives anymore lol.

susmitds

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Poison damage and poisons that ravage stamina, increasing cost of stamina abilities by 60% for abour 10 seconds.

Most duels don't allow poisons. And if they do, the WW will destroy the sorc with Ravage Mag/Stam.

Liofa

CC . I mean every kind . Stun , root , snare . WW skills cost a lot of stamina and healing is really bad in WW form . They take reduced damage , yes , but still , giving up Rally and Vigor will result in dead stamina player mostly . If your opponent turn WW , it means they are going full offense because they are sick of your insane tankiness and/or kiting . They will get impatient and try to nuke you down quickly . Just make sure you are CCing him every time he gets out of CC immunity . If you did it correctly , he will run out of stamina in less than 20 seconds and he will have to get out of WW form . If not , RIP .

Hazel_knox

My current sign is the Steed, that combined with Hardened ward, And Lightning form gives me preety decent escape, It's just hard running in the confined space of the Dueling circle.

I must get the Dawn breaker soon, still not unlocked. =(

JodaGreyhame

Easiest way to fight WW in duels is to not attack them for 10-15 secs. They have a passive which increases their time in WW form every time you hit them. If you don't attack them, they lose it pretty quick.

Dracane

You shouldn't even think about duelling with such a low level.

JodaGreyhame wrote: »

Easiest way to fight WW in duels is to not attack them for 10-15 secs. They have a passive which increases their time in WW form every time you hit them. If you don't attack them, they lose it pretty quick.

This only works against one of the morphs. One morph gains duration for being hit and one for hitting something, which is the morph most people choose.

Liofa

Dracane wrote: »

You shouldn't even think about duelling with such a low level.

JodaGreyhame wrote: »

Easiest way to fight WW in duels is to not attack them for 10-15 secs. They have a passive which increases their time in WW form every time you hit them. If you don't attack them, they lose it pretty quick.

This only works against one of the morphs. One morph gains duration for being hit and one for hitting something, which is the morph most people choose.

Which skill are you talking about ? There is a passive called Blood Rage that gives 3 seconds of duration when you are hit . Can proc every 3 seconds . Only thing that gives duration is one of the morphs of gap closer called Feral Pounce . I don't see anything else that gives duration in WW tree other than last passive which is irrevelant in a duel . Enlighten us please .

Berenhir

Hazel_knox wrote: »

My current sign is the Steed, that combined with Hardened ward, And Lightning form gives me preety decent escape, It's just hard running in the confined space of the Dueling circle.

I must get the Dawn breaker soon, still not unlocked. =(

Steed? You should take thief or atronach. Use crit surge with lightning form to ensure constant healing in melee range. Shield through his bursts with hardened ward and healing ward. You should have at least 2 shields on your bars. Don't ever drop your ward. Be a vampire. Lay mines down, root him, stun him. What's your build?

Go 160, get some decent sets (e.g. seducer/ilambris/willpower or seducer/spinner, seducer/elegance, seducer may be replaced by another sustain set) and get your weapons to gold level.

Father_X_Zombie

Dawnbreakahhhh!

Hazel_knox

@Berenhir Yes, I know I'm not the right level to or have access to the right gear to be the most OP dueling Sorc, The steed is for traveling from A-B as I am still questing. I understand I will need the Atronach stone for Magic Sustain, for what I'm learning, and dueling with right now It's not really necessary I don't think.

I will also never be a vampire, It's not worth it with fire, everyone uses fire spells. The fire resist enchants aren't worth it to me, and stage 1 vampirism makes me look like casper the friendly ghost. I don't think that is a good alternative for beating a WW. I'm looking for strategies, like roots an stuns, or sustain as mentioned by the people who posted above you. ^^^

@Father_X_Zombie I've been getting that a lot and that seems like a really good skill to have, As soon as It's unlocked It will be on my skill bar. I as wondering how Soul Strike compared to "Da mighteh Dawn Breakah"

FriedEggSandwich

Hazel_knox wrote: »

@Berenhir Yes, I know I'm not the right level to or have access to the right gear to be the most OP dueling Sorc, The steed is for traveling from A-B as I am still questing. I understand I will need the Atronach stone for Magic Sustain, for what I'm learning, and dueling with right now It's not really necessary I don't think.

I will also never be a vampire, It's not worth it with fire, everyone uses fire spells. The fire resist enchants aren't worth it to me, and stage 1 vampirism makes me look like casper the friendly ghost. I don't think that is a good alternative for beating a WW. I'm looking for strategies, like roots an stuns, or sustain as mentioned by the people who posted above you. ^^^

@Father_X_Zombie I've been getting that a lot and that seems like a really good skill to have, As soon as It's unlocked It will be on my skill bar. I as wondering how Soul Strike compared to "Da mighteh Dawn Breakah"

Vampire is win/win for a magsorc in pvp tbh. The fire damage can be mitigated with cp to the point you don't notice it, as can damage from fighters guild skills, but you also get the undeath passive which has saved my life on many occasions, and a slight buff to mag/stam regen which is always nice.

Btw, incase you didn't know, the cp you spend in hardy, elemental defender and thick skinned reduce the damage dealt to any ward you have as well as reducing the damage to your char, so bastion isn't the only way to toughen-up your wards. I have 61cp each in hardy and ele defender and 28cp in thick skinned. I only have 30cp in bastion. My hardened ward in pvp is only 10.2k but it can take some hits. This, combined with some heavy armour and impen, is how you mitigate the extra damage as a vamp sorc. In vMA I take all my cp out of bastion and distibute it between hardy, ele def and thick skinned and I can complete it with 15.7k hp as a stage 4 vamp with no deaths. Literally the only drawback to vamp atm is the cosmetic look, which frankly you just have to deal with. Embrace it by wearing a costume to show as much skin as poss

Hazel_knox

@FriedEggSandwich I really hate the idea of being a Vampire again. I'm killing the leader of the Dawn guard, recruiting the mages and Fighters guild, and starting a new Order, to kill Daedra, Vampires, and WW. This will solve my problems.

FriedEggSandwich

Hazel_knox wrote: »

@FriedEggSandwich I really hate the idea of being a Vampire again. I'm killing the leader of the Dawn guard, recruiting the mages and Fighters guild, and starting a new Order, to kill Daedra, Vampires, and WW. This will solve my problems.

I suppose it depends on what you want to do most in game. Vampire certainly isn't a must for pve, only really an advantage in pvp, and that would be when you have enough cp. I forgot the premise of the thread was that you were low level so forget what I said before until you decide you're ready for end-game pvp, by which time vamp might have changed. It is worth knowing that currently all the drawbacks to vamp can be mitigated with enough cp though.

I hated the idea of being a vamp too, I hated the idea in skyrim and avoided it. But now in eso I've grown to like the identity; I think it's hilarious when stam users try to gank me with all their fighters guild abilities and fail, or dawnbreaker me with my ward up and all it does is knock me down. Survivability is important in pvp, especially if you prefer to play solo, and vamp definitely helps with this.

STEVIL

Well, you know, maybe since ww need to get close and have a timer... this sounds like a decent place for destro staff ult. With lightning you get 2 extra secs plus the sorc lightning bonuses but the ice staff and its immobilize might be better. WW gives up his ult so thats one place to look for advantages.

Lay on the defensive rune and plant daedric mines with boundless storm and/or LL up and see if your shields plus your attacks and the dots can make him pay enough for his melee/timer limitation.

its like the templar "house" but for sorcs... the House of Doom variety.

Hazel_knox

@STEVIL So you're proposing I ulti myself, ward, dot and mine. And hope he willingly walks into my trap? And if he does, feeling like an overpowered wolf. Will he survive it?

FriedEggSandwich

Hazel_knox wrote: »

@STEVIL So you're proposing I ulti myself, ward, dot and mine. And hope he willingly walks into my trap? And if he does, feeling like an overpowered wolf. Will he survive it?

If you stay in your trap then they will have to walk into your trap if they want to damage you. The idea is you create hostile ground around you so they have to suffer to get close to you to do melee damage. The same technique applies to all high damage melee opponents, your skills still work in melee range after all. In fact a melee range frags is more effective than a ranged frags simply because it gives your opponent less time to react to it.