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is this game getting too easy?
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You are a total pro, OP.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
arkansas_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP took on not one, not two, but THREE shalks in Stonefalls and is now assembling a 1vX montage with the footageＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »OP took on not one, not two, but THREE shalks in Stonefalls and is now assembling a 1vX montage with the footage
I can not wait!
I hope he picks the proper heavy metal sound track so we are properly impressed with his ass kickedness.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on October 9, 2016 12:05AM0 -
Milvan✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm not a totally pro, I actually suck at it and I think the game is very casual oriented (AKA easy).“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
Gryphons guild - @Milvan,3 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not a totally pro, I actually suck at it and I think the game is very casual oriented (AKA easy).
And there's nothing wrong with that.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I like that there are world bosses that a group of four can NOT take.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis1 -
Luigi_Vampa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »I like that there are world bosses that a group of four can NOT take.
Which ones? I haven't found any that hard yet.PC/EU DC5 -
magnusthorek✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm a good player but way far from the, sad to say, arrogant elite that pulls astronomical number in DPS.
Maybe it's me, maybe the role I love to play is not for me anymore. But definitely, this game is not "too easy", at leastto the vast majority of players.I am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a Scientist Salarian.3 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »I like that there are world bosses that a group of four can NOT take.
FalseEdited by Erock25 on October 9, 2016 4:53AMYou earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points2 -
serenity_painted✭✭✭Think 1T improved things for low level characters, still very easy but that's just the way mmo's are right now. But the problem is everything stops scaling at cp160. It feels like i went back to a tutorial zone with a max level character when i visit a overland zone. A harsh look is enough to kill most mobs, it's ridiculous... and i'm only cp380.
Now that everything scales and all zones have their own item sets i wouldn't mind if you could visit a version of the zone that scaled up to 4-500. Like.. a "veteran" version of the zone or something.
What?1 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »I like that there are world bosses that a group of four can NOT take.
Which ones? I haven't found any that hard yet.
I second this question. I didn't try many of the new world bosses yet, but all of the ones in The Rift (I've been there for the last few days getting some perfect Ysgramor gear) can be killed with two or three people. Some probably can be killed solo, although there are so many people farming them that it is kinda impossible for no one to show up and help while you are trying to solo them.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
lolo_01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm one of the so called arrogant elite players and I'm happy with the current difficulty. Trial hardmodes are still posing a nice challenge and some of the freshly buffed vet dungeons are also fun to do.magnusthorek wrote: »I'm a good player but way far from the, sad to say, arrogant elite that pulls astronomical number in DPS.
Maybe it's me, maybe the role I love to play is not for me anymore. But definitely, this game is not "too easy", at leastto the vast majority of players.
Sure, questing and overworld content isn't that difficult for me, but that's fine. There also needs to be something to do for less experienced players and those who focus more on esthetic aspects than on optimizing their combat powers which is a totally viable way to play the game aswell.
And btw. please stop calling people arrogant just because they achieved something that you didn't. It's rude and just not true in most cases. From my experience the arrogant people are usually those who aren't that good and try to hide their mistakes by preteding they would be good and blaming others for their failure.8 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Here's to you OP and all the others that are just too awesome for the game.
https://youtu.be/vziUC1IT0wo
Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
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Boring is relative, as different people find excitement in varying degrees. What's boring to you is still enjoyable to others.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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gel214thb14_ESO✭✭✭No. I'm finding it tough going with level 10 characters. At the end of most quest lines is a boss that I have trouble beating solo with a magicka Templar or a Magicka Sorcerer.1 -
LaiTash✭✭✭gel214thb14_ESO wrote: »No. I'm finding it tough going with level 10 characters. At the end of most quest lines is a boss that I have trouble beating solo with a magicka Templar or a Magicka Sorcerer.
Sure, i understand it's not that easy for lowbies, but you are not going to be level 10 forever. Actually, you'll spend most of your game time with cp160+.
I'm not an "elite" min-max player, i don't play by the meta, and i hardly deal 10k dps single-target on my cp160 magsorc. Still i find the overland content waaaaay to easy, and honestly, i'd hate to be restricted to trials and vet dungeons for the rest of my life. I'm not saying they should make the overland mobs cp531, maybe they should be just lvl50, but player characters stats should scale down accordingly.0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, you are just too awsome.
Now go play darksouls. It was made for you.
Now for a more serious answer.
The game used to be difficult when various systems were in place to regulate player power, like soft caps. But now, with those measures are gone, and we use a entirely different stat scaling system. CP was imputed very early on and it's something that undermined much of the ballance that this game had.
So yes, the game got easier, but it's a symptom of greater ballance issues than dumbing the content down for filthy casuals. Combine this with ballance changes for the PVP crowd, design inconsistancies and design philosophy changes, and the games not becoming easier because it needs to appeal to new players, but because no one can agree on how to do 'difficult' correctly, and in order to do that, they'd need to rip much of the base game to -shreds- and redo most of it.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on October 9, 2016 10:12AM1 -
Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
✭Daran_Cousland wrote: »or are my skills just too awesome for this game?
The new rules made it easier, yes.
For example my fresh magicka nightblade lvl12 without any champion points (fresh NA account), in green/blue set DB drops form Gold Coast (Light Armor!), with blue food scaled to lvl10-14, have 27k hp health and 25k magicka, with only single passives from major skill lines. Usually CP players I see around have 13-20k hp, so it's beyond my understanding why the game puts 27k hp on my fresh character, just with the basic food
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It's cool to be tough and powerful but I think it's too much - if I can participate in Kvatch Arena and Minotaur boss without a sweat
. Edited by Gargath on October 9, 2016 10:03AMPC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."1 -
strikeback1247✭✭✭✭✭
✭Daran_Cousland wrote: »or are my skills just too awesome for this game?
"Game too easy" therefor ZoS has granted us vMSA and vMOL!P.A.W.S. - Positively Against Wild Sasquatches - NO TO BIGFOOT!1 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭s_jscorpiorwb17_ESO wrote: »YEa pve easy as now can pull & solo 20 mobs without much fuss Cp 90.
I can do it at no CP with the right build. You allways could, you know.0 -
magnusthorek✭✭✭✭✭
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Well, you really don't have a clue about the experiences I have. If I say elite players arrogant it's because, so far, they all were towards me. You're differen? Congratulations! But unless proven otherwise, that's my opinion. Period.lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »And btw. please stop calling people arrogant just because they achieved something that you didn't. It's rude and just not true in most cases. From my experience the arrogant people are usually those who aren't that good and try to hide their mistakes by preteding they would be good and blaming others for their failure.
I am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a Scientist Salarian.0 -
strikeback1247✭✭✭✭✭
✭s_jscorpiorwb17_ESO wrote: »YEa pve easy as now can pull & solo 20 mobs without much fuss Cp 90.
Lmao.
P.A.W.S. - Positively Against Wild Sasquatches - NO TO BIGFOOT!0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »
I'm one of the so called arrogant elite players and I'm happy with the current difficulty. Trial hardmodes are still posing a nice challenge and some of the freshly buffed vet dungeons are also fun to do.magnusthorek wrote: »I'm a good player but way far from the, sad to say, arrogant elite that pulls astronomical number in DPS.
Maybe it's me, maybe the role I love to play is not for me anymore. But definitely, this game is not "too easy", at leastto the vast majority of players.
Sure, questing and overworld content isn't that difficult for me, but that's fine. There also needs to be something to do for less experienced players and those who focus more on esthetic aspects than on optimizing their combat powers which is a totally viable way to play the game aswell.
And btw. please stop calling people arrogant just because they achieved something that you didn't. It's rude and just not true in most cases. From my experience the arrogant people are usually those who aren't that good and try to hide their mistakes by preteding they would be good and blaming others for their failure.
Questionare time.
Have you ever told someone to stop whining because this game is easy?
Have you ever bragged exessively about your accomplishments or posted achievements in zone?
Then yes, your arrogent, please take your badge and a number.
Sidenote: We've had a years worth of dev cycle churning out content for 'experienced players' as far as group content and VMA goes. You've had your 15 minutes. Now the rest of us get a chance. Or better yet, a few patches to try at fixing some fundemental design issues.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on October 9, 2016 10:23AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭Looking at the amount of added gear that procs high damage attacks while randomly mashing buttons I would say the game is definitely becoming easier and this is intended design.0 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭gel214thb14_ESO wrote: »No. I'm finding it tough going with level 10 characters. At the end of most quest lines is a boss that I have trouble beating solo with a magicka Templar or a Magicka Sorcerer.
Sure, i understand it's not that easy for lowbies, but you are not going to be level 10 forever. Actually, you'll spend most of your game time with cp160+.
I'm not an "elite" min-max player, i don't play by the meta, and i hardly deal 10k dps single-target on my cp160 magsorc. Still i find the overland content waaaaay to easy,
Go to Rivenspire and find an area boss thats in a ruined tower made up of a caster and 2 skeletons, one physical and one magic. Id like to know your opinion and the difficulty of that one.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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LaiTash✭✭✭gel214thb14_ESO wrote: »No. I'm finding it tough going with level 10 characters. At the end of most quest lines is a boss that I have trouble beating solo with a magicka Templar or a Magicka Sorcerer.
Sure, i understand it's not that easy for lowbies, but you are not going to be level 10 forever. Actually, you'll spend most of your game time with cp160+.
I'm not an "elite" min-max player, i don't play by the meta, and i hardly deal 10k dps single-target on my cp160 magsorc. Still i find the overland content waaaaay to easy,
Go to Rivenspire and find an area boss thats in a ruined tower made up of a caster and 2 skeletons, one physical and one magic. Id like to know your opinion and the difficulty of that one.
It's group content. I wouldn't even bother going there without a group. It's like saying normal group dungeons are challenging because they're hard to solo.1 -
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✭✭✭strikeback1247 wrote: »Daran_Cousland wrote: »or are my skills just too awesome for this game?
"Game too easy" therefor ZoS has granted us vMSA and vMOL!
VMSA is too easy lol0
