Anyone notice?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

With all the people complaining about the Training and Prosperous traits on Monset sets and other end game gear, there hasn't been a VMA rage thread about that broken loot system in like 24 hours. Might be a record. Nice misdirection, ZOS.

Ghost-Shot

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

Ha! Sorry, couldnt help myself. And don't call VMA cancer, you might hurt cancer's feelings.

Tryxus

What ZOS isgoing to do now? Add Training vMSA weps

UrQuan

Tryxus wrote: »

What ZOS isgoing to do now? Add Training vMSA weps

Nah.

"We've noticed that people are deconstructing their vMSA weapons 9 times out of 10, therefore we're changing them so that they'll always drop with the intricate trait."

Danksta

Tryxus wrote: »

What ZOS isgoing to do now? Add Training vMSA weps

That's a risky thing to say. If they implement it everyone will be calling for your head now.

BruhItsOver9000

Tryxus wrote: »

What ZOS isgoing to do now? Add Training vMSA weps

What your back on the forums, where have you been this whole time? It's nice to see you again on the forums.

Tryxus

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

What ZOS isgoing to do now? Add Training vMSA weps

What your back on the forums, where have you been this whole time? It's nice to see you again on the forums.

I still wanted to play the game, but I didn't want to be involved with the "negative" aspects anymore (forums and pvp) due to a depression.

And to make sure I'd stay away, I requested a self-ban and I destroyed all my pvp gear.

But now I'm back, and it's nice to see you again too. All of you

Uriel_Nocturne

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

So... since I haven't done the maelstrom Arena yet (I just have no urge to do it), I'm not missing out on anything? lol

Edziu

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

With all the people complaining about the Training and Prosperous traits on Monset sets and other end game gear, there hasn't been a VMA rage thread about that broken loot system in like 24 hours. Might be a record. Nice misdirection, ZOS.

maybe pledges for keys are doing almos everyone while vMSA farm is only percentage of players called masochist who still trying to farm this cancer mmo istance :v

Tryxus

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

So... since I haven't done the maelstrom Arena yet (I just have no urge to do it), I'm not missing out on anything? lol

You're missing out on a buttload of Charged vMSA weps

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Tryxus wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

So... since I haven't done the maelstrom Arena yet (I just have no urge to do it), I'm not missing out on anything? lol

You're missing out on a buttload of Charged vMSA weps

So many charged weapons. Dont tell Wrobel I said this, but I would rather they dropped in training than charged...

Tryxus

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

So... since I haven't done the maelstrom Arena yet (I just have no urge to do it), I'm not missing out on anything? lol

You're missing out on a buttload of Charged vMSA weps

So many charged weapons. Dont tell Wrobel I said this, but I would rather they dropped in training than charged...

First wep I ever got: charged mace
2nd: charged 2h sword
...

Didn't help with my depression

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Tryxus wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

So... since I haven't done the maelstrom Arena yet (I just have no urge to do it), I'm not missing out on anything? lol

You're missing out on a buttload of Charged vMSA weps

So many charged weapons. Dont tell Wrobel I said this, but I would rather they dropped in training than charged...

First wep I ever got: charged mace
2nd: charged 2h sword
...

Didn't help with my depression

In all serious, I would not recommend anyone struggling with depression to step foot in VMA if you care about the loot. I tend to grind this place in bursts. We had about 2 weeks off from our normal raid schedule recently, and I used the time to run VMA 2-3 times day. After 2 weeks, I had nothing to show for my efforts. It legitimately started to affect my real life. I was thinking about it before going to bed, on the drive to work, etc. It certainly had a very negative effect on my mental health, and I would not normally say that is an issue I struggle with in the slightest. When we say this place is cancer or call it toxic, we are being dead serious. It is hands down the worst thing about the game IMO, but will probably take a backseat to crown crates soon.

CultOfMMO

except the difference is im having a blast when i finish vMA, then i get a little disappointed by the loot. But its fine i look forward to my next run, its good sport.

as opposed to having to find a farming grp in zone chat, and proceed to run the same dungeon 50 times as fast as possible. the process is already boring, and the loot just adds salt to injury. I did vet fungal like 40 times still no med divine kragh.

and dont even get me started on a med divine shoulder, THAT *** is *** cancer

Ghost-Shot

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

So... since I haven't done the maelstrom Arena yet (I just have no urge to do it), I'm not missing out on anything? lol

You are missing out on hands down the best weapons in the game, though if you can somehow find the patience to sit through the arena, you have very little chance of actually getting the weapon you want in a usable trait. 100% not worth IMO.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

CultOfMMO wrote: »

except the difference is im having a blast when i finish vMA, then i get a little disappointed by the loot. But its fine i look forward to my next run, its good sport.

as opposed to having to find a farming grp in zone chat, and proceed to run the same dungeon 50 times as fast as possible. the process is already boring, and the loot just adds salt to injury. I did vet fungal like 40 times still no med divine kragh.

and dont even get me started on a med divine shoulder, THAT *** is *** cancer

You are either in the minority or you havent cracked triple digits on your VMA runs. I will fully admit that my first 10-20 VMA clears were some of my best times in ESO or the video game world in general. It was challenging and made me a much better player. Then came the suck that is the loot grind. I have been clearing this place for 10 months and still dont have 3 of the 4 weapons I care about. I have one character that does nothing but hold all my VMA weapons. I would gladly trade it all for the 3 weapons I actually care about.

As for the Divines Shoulder, yep that grind sucks to. It's the same basic problem of a bloated loot table and pure RNG (that seems seeded against any gear you actually want). The fundamental difference between the two is that the trait on your weapon is exponentially more important than the trait on one armor piece. With weapons, it's sharp or nothing. To put things in perspective, the sharpened trait on a weapon is twice the penetration of the 5 piece bonus on Night Mothers Gaze armor. It is wildly OP, making all other traits useless. Whereas the Difference between a Divines and Properous Monster shoulder is like 0.9% crit if running the Thief mundus.

Ghost-Shot

CultOfMMO wrote: »

except the difference is im having a blast when i finish vMA, then i get a little disappointed by the loot. But its fine i look forward to my next run, its good sport.

as opposed to having to find a farming grp in zone chat, and proceed to run the same dungeon 50 times as fast as possible. the process is already boring, and the loot just adds salt to injury. I did vet fungal like 40 times still no med divine kragh.

and dont even get me started on a med divine shoulder, THAT *** is *** cancer

I can deal with the RNG in group content, I don't like it and its still cancer but I can deal with it, but for solo content? I don't think so, this is an MMO and BiS gear for raiding and PvP does not belong in a solo instance. The challenge isn't even fun for me because nothing in vMA is mechanically difficult, its just basic mobs with 10k light attacks and bosses that one shot, GG ZOS, great game design.

Silver_Strider

Screw the weapons.
Now that 1T is out, I can try some ideas out for those sets I've been wanting to try out without having to grind vet for CP160 gear.

Idc that most of those sets are depressingly bad, all I do now is screw around with build ideas and try them out for fun.

Ch4mpTW

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

So... since I haven't done the maelstrom Arena yet (I just have no urge to do it), I'm not missing out on anything? lol

Outside of pretty nice and strong weapons that drop in 'bad' traits 9x out of 10, no. You aren't missing anything, but: Anger, confusion, depression, rage, and an overall negative experience playing this game. I've beaten VMA tons of times, and I still would get into a bad mood that lasted for hours after setting foot in there. Not to mention EXTREME levels of abrupt hostility. Lol.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Screw the weapons.
Now that 1T is out, I can try some ideas out for those sets I've been wanting to try out without having to grind vet for CP160 gear.

Idc that most of those sets are depressingly bad, all I do now is screw around with build ideas and try them out for fun.

I really have no issue with Overworld drops (can be purchased) or dungeon drops (can be traded). Both have ways of mitigating RNG. The two places that still remain that need fixed are monster shoulders and VMA weapons.

CultOfMMO

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

except the difference is im having a blast when i finish vMA, then i get a little disappointed by the loot. But its fine i look forward to my next run, its good sport.

as opposed to having to find a farming grp in zone chat, and proceed to run the same dungeon 50 times as fast as possible. the process is already boring, and the loot just adds salt to injury. I did vet fungal like 40 times still no med divine kragh.

and dont even get me started on a med divine shoulder, THAT *** is *** cancer

You are either in the minority or you havent cracked triple digits on your VMA runs. I will fully admit that my first 10-20 VMA clears were some of my best times in ESO or the video game world in general. It was challenging and made me a much better player. Then came the suck that is the loot grind. I have been clearing this place for 10 months and still dont have 3 of the 4 weapons I care about. I have one character that does nothing but hold all my VMA weapons. I would gladly trade it all for the 3 weapons I actually care about.

As for the Divines Shoulder, yep that grind sucks to. It's the same basic problem of a bloated loot table and pure RNG (that seems seeded against any gear you actually want). The fundamental difference between the two is that the trait on your weapon is exponentially more important than the trait on one armor piece. With weapons, it's sharp or nothing. To put things in perspective, the sharpened trait on a weapon is twice the penetration of the 5 piece bonus on Night Mothers Gaze armor. It is wildly OP, making all other traits useless. Whereas the Difference between a Divines and Properous Monster shoulder is like 0.9% crit if running the Thief mundus.

"The fundamental difference between the two is that the trait on your weapon is exponentially more important than the trait on one armor piece" have to really agree with this. To be fair, you're absolutely right that having divine is more or less just to satisfy the OCD within each of us, weapons matter much more.

I did however, recently land a sharpened vMA inferno staff. probably gona make a magicka character soon if i dont get my sharpened axe/dagger. probably a beamplar

Tryxus

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

So... since I haven't done the maelstrom Arena yet (I just have no urge to do it), I'm not missing out on anything? lol

You're missing out on a buttload of Charged vMSA weps

So many charged weapons. Dont tell Wrobel I said this, but I would rather they dropped in training than charged...

First wep I ever got: charged mace
2nd: charged 2h sword
...

Didn't help with my depression

In all serious, I would not recommend anyone struggling with depression to step foot in VMA if you care about the loot. I tend to grind this place in bursts. We had about 2 weeks off from our normal raid schedule recently, and I used the time to run VMA 2-3 times day. After 2 weeks, I had nothing to show for my efforts. It legitimately started to affect my real life. I was thinking about it before going to bed, on the drive to work, etc. It certainly had a very negative effect on my mental health, and I would not normally say that is an issue I struggle with in the slightest. When we say this place is cancer or call it toxic, we are being dead serious. It is hands down the worst thing about the game IMO, but will probably take a backseat to crown crates soon.

I mostly played this game to distract me from it, and cuz of that I decided to set my sights a little higher.

In August, I joined a guild group trying to beat vDSA. After about a month of intense improving of my build, my DPSand learning to AC, we finally managed to beat it. And I got rewarded with an Infused Dagger, that I'm keeping as a keepsake to remind that day

The day after that, I decided to beat the other arena. I did curse at theStage 6 boss (same boss I got stuck at last time, made a threadabout it), but I beat her and easily progressed to the last boss. He did take some effort, but I got him and was rewarded with a Charged Mace

But I was happy, happy that I learned to take on some of the hardest content in this game. And it really lifted my spirits

I do run vMSA a couple of timed each week, but tbh, idc much about the weps. I just wanna get better at it (current best: 450k-ish score, 1hr20min and 12/15 vitality)

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Tryxus wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Lets fix that shall we?

VMA is still cancer.

So... since I haven't done the maelstrom Arena yet (I just have no urge to do it), I'm not missing out on anything? lol

You're missing out on a buttload of Charged vMSA weps

So many charged weapons. Dont tell Wrobel I said this, but I would rather they dropped in training than charged...

First wep I ever got: charged mace
2nd: charged 2h sword
...

Didn't help with my depression

In all serious, I would not recommend anyone struggling with depression to step foot in VMA if you care about the loot. I tend to grind this place in bursts. We had about 2 weeks off from our normal raid schedule recently, and I used the time to run VMA 2-3 times day. After 2 weeks, I had nothing to show for my efforts. It legitimately started to affect my real life. I was thinking about it before going to bed, on the drive to work, etc. It certainly had a very negative effect on my mental health, and I would not normally say that is an issue I struggle with in the slightest. When we say this place is cancer or call it toxic, we are being dead serious. It is hands down the worst thing about the game IMO, but will probably take a backseat to crown crates soon.

I mostly played this game to distract me from it, and cuz of that I decided to set my sights a little higher.

In August, I joined a guild group trying to beat vDSA. After about a month of intense improving of my build, my DPSand learning to AC, we finally managed to beat it. And I got rewarded with an Infused Dagger, that I'm keeping as a keepsake to remind that day

The day after that, I decided to beat the other arena. I did curse at theStage 6 boss (same boss I got stuck at last time, made a threadabout it), but I beat her and easily progressed to the last boss. He did take some effort, but I got him and was rewarded with a Charged Mace

But I was happy, happy that I learned to take on some of the hardest content in this game. And it really lifted my spirits

I do run vMSA a couple of timed each week, but tbh, idc much about the weps. I just wanna get better at it (current best: 450k-ish score, 1hr20min and 12/15 vitality)

If that is all VMA ever was in this game, a place to refine your skills coupled with a sense of accomplishment, then it would be glorious. I feel like half of my posts in this forum are about trying to help people get their first clear. I LOVE that aspect of VMA. But like anything else, eventually the shine wears off and what you are left with dull piece of crap, AKA, the last chest.

Sallington

#VMATOKENSYSTEM
#VMATOKENSYSTEM
#VMATOKENSYSTEM
#VMATOKENSYSTEM
#VMATOKENSYSTEM

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Sallington wrote: »

#VMATOKENSYSTEM
#VMATOKENSYSTEM
#VMATOKENSYSTEM
#VMATOKENSYSTEM
#VMATOKENSYSTEM

I dont tweet or whatever its called, but I wonder if we could get that to "trend." Someone call one of the Kardashians.

Tryxus

Or how about we just get the vMSA glyph instead? Then we can craft the weapon we want in the style we like the most