Draugr Motif Drop Rate a bit stupid

Dunkmeister

1 motif in 20 dailies now... a bit low I should say.

This needs to be retuned. Yeah, they're not hard but the dolmens are time consuming since theyre being overfarmed at the moment.

DRXHarbinger

Have you tried the gold coast dailies. Wondering if they have now been buffed at all as we're dismal prior to this.

Same as db and thieves guild before that but are no ok ish.

Dunkmeister

Yeah, i farmed those too. Not since this patch though.

None of those took as long as the three dailies this patch take me. I could knock those out on one character in less than 5 mins. These guild dailes seem to take a lot longer because I have to wait on dolmens. Maybe 30 mins per character.

inclinations

0 draugr motifs in all 3 quests daily on 2 characters since release day. Its frustrating.

The items in the coffers are also too low of quality to be useful.

Pandorii

The white food rewards are a joke!! I've gotten two so far from doing the 3 dailies since 1T on one character.

Asardes

Did 18 repeatable quests, had 3 motif pages drops and about 7-8 style material drops. It's not that low actually. Seems about the same as the Mercenary style (after drop rate was decreased on that).

Ackwalan

About 25 of the quests done, got 3 of the motif, 2 of the 3 were for mace.

I_killed_Vivec

Pandorii wrote: »

The white food rewards are a joke!! I've gotten two so far from doing the 3 dailies since 1T on one character.

It's the way they give me three cups of tea!

No motifs at all yet, just more tea... and vendor trash gear.

Nobody is fooled, trash gear is still trash gear even if you make it part of a "set" - a set that nobody wants, particularly not in Robust for Magica drops and Arcane for Stam.

Cazic

Which dailies does this come from? The new guild ones?

Caligamy_ESO

I did 4 and got a shield motif *shrug* ...RNG

It cannot possibly be as bad as that wretched glass motif grind

Asardes

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

I did 4 and got a shield motif *shrug* ...RNG

It cannot possibly be as bad as that wretched glass motif grind

I did the crafting writs on just one char for the last year, and I got about 160 fragments. And for most of the time was not on max tier, just 9/10. Since I started doing writs on my alts I got another 20 of those. So it's not that bad IMO.

jeevin

I thought I had it bad with a staff and an axe motif page from about 12 dailies, but some of you guys are having a terrible rng. These dailies definitely need a look at as it's faster just to earn the gold to buy the motif pages.

Tryxus

First day: did the 3 dailies -> 1 Draugr Shoulder Page (yeah )
Second day: did the 3 dailies again -> 1 Draugr Shoulder Page ( >_< )

Asardes

I'm curious if the drop rate is influenced in some ways by your passives. I have maximum proficiency in all crafting skill lines and the treasure hunter passive from CP.

itehache

I have been doing the dailies since they first started, I have only 1 character and I have gotten 1 motif (legs or chest I can't remember now, but it was a good one!).

Yeah, the white food is like... xD Kind of useless. I am also getting white weapons (am I the only one? )

dodgehopper_ESO

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

I did 4 and got a shield motif *shrug* ...RNG

It cannot possibly be as bad as that wretched glass motif grind

I can't bring myself to do the glass grind. It doesn't look like 'Glass' to me from the rest of the series. While I don't think its unattractive as an armor, it just doesn't suit its name, and Ancient Elf more or less does the trick as far as I'm concerned.

Qyrk

Well let's look at it this way. It's much better than glass motif grind.

Overall though, from my experience it can be up a little bit more in terms of drop rate. My experience so far has been the last 18 dailies (3 per day) on one character, I received 2. It's okay I guess as I don't expect to get the motifs within the first week (the drop rate could be up just a tiny bit though).

Asardes

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

I did 4 and got a shield motif *shrug* ...RNG

It cannot possibly be as bad as that wretched glass motif grind

I can't bring myself to do the glass grind. It doesn't look like 'Glass' to me from the rest of the series. While I don't think its unattractive as an armor, it just doesn't suit its name, and Ancient Elf more or less does the trick as far as I'm concerned.

Me neither, I do the writs for the money - 3.6K/char/day - and of course the gold tempers. I consider the glass motifs simply a boon. I still don't know if it's more profitable to simply sell them outright on guild stores, as they go 200-300g each and the restorative resin is 10K. I've seen motif pages go for as little as 11K, so that doesn't even cover the cost of the materials involved in assembling it. I'll wait till I have a full stack then decide what to do with them.

Khenarthi

If you think Draugr is bad, forget about Yokudan. At least Draugr appears often enough in guild stores, but it seems almost no one is posting Yokudan - I took a tour of the Guild traders on PC EU last night and maybe 1 trader in 5 had a single, high-cost page (highest being Yokudan Belts in a Marbruk trader for a whopping 220k).

Erik_Darksinger

Asardes wrote: »

I'm curious if the drop rate is influenced in some ways by your passives. I have maximum proficiency in all crafting skill lines and the treasure hunter passive from CP.

I have Max Rank in all Crafting Skills and all passives unlocked except for Enchanting, (Rank 9 w/1 passive left) and I have the Treasure Hunter Passive active, and not one Motif in any of the new Guild Dailies for the 3 Guilds. Not even a green item aside from a Grand Soul Gem. It has been all white gear and the random Style Material for the Draugr Motif.

No Motif Drops as yet since the One Tamriel Patch and I do these quests every day.

As for the Dark Anchors and World Bosses and Public Dungeons, I have not seen a Motif page as well. The only motif pages I have see have been from the Gold Coast Dailies and just 3 of those since OT Patch, three I already have.

As far as the Treasure Maps having a greater chance of dropping Gear, it has all been green and either Training or Prosperous, or Well-fitted. This was out of over 40 maps that I had been saving for the OT Change.

The only Treasure Maps that seem to drop Motifs consistently are the ones from Cyrodiil. I had 6 of those and got 6 Pact Motif chapters with only one repeat I already looted earlier.

Not sure if I am just extremely unlucky with the RNG for loot or there is a problem.

I have noticed that Delving/Dungeon/World Bosses have a slight increase in gear/items that are higher than green/blue quality. With those I have gotten a few purple items since OT. Before I would consistently get at most a green quality item, most times all loot would be white except for the filled Grand Soul Gem.

Either I have been extremely unlucky with the RNG loot rolls for the past 2 years, or there is a bit of a problem with it.

As for the Crafting Writs, I have seen a dramatic decrease in the number of Survey Maps I receive as rewards. For the most part, it is either raw materials I no longer need since I went past 160 cp. Since I concentrate on Alchemy and Provisioning mostly, I seem to be getting only ingredients/reagents that I rarely use. On the bright side I received 1 recipe that I did not have for Food/Drink but it was for level 140.

For me it is a bit disconcerting that I can enter a random Delve/Dungeon and get blue and even purple gear from the average mob yet still only get white or green, with a very rare blue item from the Boss/Champions. I have seen people I am grouped with consistently get blue and higher quality items off the main mob whereas I still get either white or green. It has sort of become a running joke for me that I say the RNG Aedra is mad at me for some reason.

TheDarkRuler

9 Characters, both dailies each day since release.
Not a single Draugr motif so far.
Calculate the chance for THAT!

I stopped and farmed gold and will purchase them someday.
It is too stupid with low-change RNG!

Asardes

World bosses weren't supposed to drop motifs in the first place, just gear. Chests in Cyrodiil and IC have a chance to drop your alliance motif. I've gotten only EP motif pages on my EP main char, the only one who has ventured in Cyrodiil up to this point. But I'm certain the Draugr pages only drop as part as the daily guild quest rewards. I've only done 2 repeatable quests in Craglorn up till now and didn't get any Yokudan motif page. I will try to do more to see what I get. I think there was one that dropped multiple urns, probably the pilgrimage. With delves now scaled for single player it should be easy to complete that now.

Doctordarkspawn

This is after they buffed the drop chance for characters with maxed skill lines.

Yeah it's too damn low.Needs raised. For *** sake.

Khenarthi

Asardes wrote: »

World bosses weren't supposed to drop motifs in the first place, just gear. Chests in Cyrodiil and IC have a chance to drop your alliance motif. I've gotten only EP motif pages on my EP main char, the only one who has ventured in Cyrodiil up to this point. But I'm certain the Draugr pages only drop as part as the daily guild quest rewards. I've only done 2 repeatable quests in Craglorn up till now and didn't get any Yokudan motif page. I will try to do more to see what I get. I think there was one that dropped multiple urns, probably the pilgrimage. With delves now scaled for single player it should be easy to complete that now.

Shada's Tear has 3 quests, so it drops 3 urns (it's one urn per quest). The drop rate is abysmal though. The pilgrimage is The Gray Passage and drops one urn only, which makes sense as it's very easy to solo, while Shada is not.

Asardes

Craglorn quests are boring and take long to complete, so I really have no time for farming the motifs. Back in the day when I cleared it the first time I had to solo, or at most duo those quests since people actually never wanted to group for them. I don't think we had 4 people in the group, save the quests that actually required 4, like spell scar and the one with the pilars in the lake - was stuck at that one for a couple of months because couldn't get in even if the 4 people activated them. I actually hated Craglorn after completing them, and I've not yet gotten over that. I've done the quests again over the last 2 days because I wanted to see how they are now. They are easily soloable. Only a couple of them were a bit challenging, but most were face roll easy. Rather than group for Shada's tear you can do the solo quests on multiple chars for the same number of urns. The Craglorn sets are pretty bad IMO so it's not really appealing to get a trash gear piece each time, while farming for the motifs.

Caligamy_ESO

Asardes wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

I did 4 and got a shield motif *shrug* ...RNG

It cannot possibly be as bad as that wretched glass motif grind

I did the crafting writs on just one char for the last year, and I got about 160 fragments. And for most of the time was not on max tier, just 9/10. Since I started doing writs on my alts I got another 20 of those. So it's not that bad IMO.

Pssstt thats only 16 random pages, been there done that.. I am still waiting on belts.

Asardes

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

I did 4 and got a shield motif *shrug* ...RNG

It cannot possibly be as bad as that wretched glass motif grind

I did the crafting writs on just one char for the last year, and I got about 160 fragments. And for most of the time was not on max tier, just 9/10. Since I started doing writs on my alts I got another 20 of those. So it's not that bad IMO.

Pssstt thats only 16 random pages, been there done that.. I am still waiting on belts.

I know that, but there are people out there doing writs at max level on 8 or more chars every day, and motifs are on guild stores at rock bottom prices. So if you get doubles you can trade those. There are 14 pages in a complete motif. The very low price for that actually indicates that they are pretty common by now, almost a year after they were introduced. That's the fate of most motifs - huge prices at the beginning, steep drop after a few months and then the price bottoms out. At some point I was able to sell barbaric and daedric for 10K, now they barely sell to 2K. Same with mercenary motifs - I was selling them for 2-3K a page, now they are 1/10 of that because everybody is doing pledges and getting them in the chest. Because most people have learned those on their main crafting char, and don't need to learn them on more, that are leveled and specced just for the writs. That has happened to glass, DLC motifs, and will happen with yokudan and draugr once enough people get their hands on them.

Haxnschwammer

I got Yokudan chest on my first quest (spell scar), but nothing else since. And like most others I did quite a lot. Same with fighter/mage dailies... no motifs...at least there were some ornate items to sell...
In total I think I did like 20 craglorn quests and 15 dailies. And I mostly quit playing so no more RNGeesus for me.

Btw, someone tried to cheat the yokudan motif out of my hands... he faked some MM messages and claimed due to overfarming they are just worth a few thousands...Offered to pay 5k because he still needs it.
After that failed I offered it to him for 150k, he bought it and spammed zone chat with "WTS motif 200k"...

Asardes

If MM doesn't get me a price for something I usually ask on guilds, as people may have other combo of those compared to me, or if that fails get the motif on a bank char and let it sit there until I can get a price. With common blue/green gear with non-ideal traits, that would actually take space, I put it on stores for a few hundred gold a piece, and it sells in days. I'm standing on 5.7M gold just from selling surplus common crafting materials and trash gear over the last months - never sold nirn, kutas, purple or gold tempers or alchemy plants. I don't actually have anything to spend them on yet, as I've bought all possible bank and backpack slots and as well as the riding training on 8 chars. But I'm still to stingy to spend them on motifs as most look like crap anyway. Just collect them if they drop and sell them if they are doubles

Carbonised

Draugr motif: Takes fairly long to complete compared to other dailies, waiting for anchors to respawn mostly.
RNG is low, and you're limited to 3 x day per character.

Celestial: Can get 3 x motif per week per character. Fairly long time to complete a trial, but has lots of other rewards as well. Guaranteed drop from weekly coffer.

Yokudan: Half the Craglorn dailies are impossible to solo, you have to venture through some of the hugest dungeons in the game (Shada's Tear, Skyreach Catacombs anyone?), some of the minibosses are hard but soloable, last boss of e.g. Skyreach absolutely not soloable for your regular DPS setup. Meaning you have to buddy up with someone and go through these extremely long dungeons.
Reward is same extremely low RNG as everything else in this game.

Conclusion: Celestial will be pretty easily obtainable, and prices will soon drop to Dro-Mathra levels and even lower. Draugr will be around the medium in terms of accessability and prices. Yokudan, on the other hand, will be nearly impossible to obtain, and prices at 100-200k per piece will probably remain for a while. Especially once Craglorn craze wears off and these quests will not long be doable due to not being solo friendly.

Really horrible implementation job there for Yokudan. At least motif chance should be upped to a 50 % chance, or quests should be altered or made easier/faster. I mean who the f* travels through 45 mins of Skyreach or Shada's to obtain a green trash item as reward 19 times out of 20.

And enough with the daily walls already. Some of us who don't have 14 characters would like to be able to do these quests somewhat regularly as well.

DisgracefulMind

I've no issue soloing the Craglorn content, but my god is it time consuming. I went around doing all the dailies that give you the blue coffers yesterday on my main, spent hours doing them, and no motif. Been this way since this patch dropped ):

EDIT: I go on multiple toons and complete the dailies for the Draugr motifs as well, with all skill lines maxed, and haven't gotten one of those motifs either. My RNG has always sucked in this game, but this feels bleak lol