New Undaunted Pledge system not noob friendly?

Troneon

You managed to put 5 golden yellow stats system in to dumb things down for those that can't work things out for themselves, which does not account for putting 5 legendary stam gear on a magicka character and still gives 5 stars lol....

But you did not put detailed explanations of the "requirements" in undaunted quests descriptions to get the "best" reward? So to a new player they have no idea if there are extra objectives or not and what gives what reward etc etc? Just by reading the quest details. Or did I miss something?

Sounomi

It seems some of the pledges will list the optional objective needed for getting the 2 keys while others don't have it. Seems like a bug to me.

stevepdodson_ESO888

Sounomi wrote: »

It seems some of the pledges will list the optional objective needed for getting the 2 keys while others don't have it. Seems like a bug to me.

yeah...as i understood it, the requirement for 2 keys from a dungeon should be to "read the book" before defeating the final boss and nothing to do with the optional objectives anymore

it would be good to get some clarification on this

DeadlyRecluse

The pledge system definitely needs clearer in-game instructions.

I talked through them with people in TS while looking at patch notes, and some people were still confused--just saying it out loud is kinda funny.

"nonvet is now version 1, and has a vet mode. It's not vet mode like the vet version, it's just scaled up. And vet version is version 2 and has a nonvet mode. So for today's pledge we are going to do the nonvet version, vetmode, with hardmode on boss.

Oh yeah, you can read a scroll now to add a bunch of boss HP. We'll get two keys and a helm."

Dymence

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

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Sounomi wrote: »

It seems some of the pledges will list the optional objective needed for getting the 2 keys while others don't have it. Seems like a bug to me.

yeah...as i understood it, the requirement for 2 keys from a dungeon should be to "read the book" before defeating the final boss and nothing to do with the optional objectives anymore

it would be good to get some clarification on this

You need to do hard mode. Some older dungeons still retain their original hard mode.

Like fungal grotto II with not stepping into the globe at final boss, and crypt of hearts II waiting for 4 ghosts before him picking up the blade, banished cells II with waiting for 3 daedroths, etc.

AntMan100673

My reason for them not being noob friendly is because before 1T they'd be high level players running the normal pledge to get a key. This meant low level players could get partly carried while hopefully being able to learn something about the dungeon. After 1T it'll probably only be groups of 4 low level players doing normal pledges and they're less likely to be able to carry a weak player so they can expect a lot more failures and frustration

Troneon

The whole system seems like a giant mess and confusion.

Is not clear at all to new players. What it is even worse, when trying to explain it you realize there is no easy and quick way to explain it and confuse them even more....

ZOS please sort this out or give clearer descriptions like you used to quest details?

Also in game there is nothing to say different chests give different reward so new players will just be wasting keys without realizing that chest does not even drop what they want lol

DeadRune

As I understand it:

You can do pledges from Maj and from Gilrion(spelling) (or the orc if you have dlc). You have to do the specific dungeon they ask you to do, i.e. Banished Cells 2 or Fungal Grotto 1. You can do these pledges on any level and still get keys no matter which pledge giver they come from. So, it's not normal silver or vet gold anymore. It's whatever you want.

However, for completing the pledges, you will receive:

Normal - 1 key
Vet - 1 key and the helm of the last boss
Hard Mode - 2 keys (and the helm of the last boss)

Either way, all you must do is complete the specified dungeon under any difficulty setting. You can still carry a lowbie through in normal, if your CP scaled group chooses to do the pledge on normal for instance. And what's even better is you can do what would formerly have been considered silver on vet now.

The monster helms also have a 100% drop rate. No accounting for traits, of course.

That's the best way I can describe it. (I know the OP didn't ask for a description and prob understands how it works. This is just in case others who need help read this thread).

Please correct me on any of the above if I'm wrong. ^

Aquanova

Tamriel One itself is not "Noob friendly"

Troneon

DeadRune wrote: »

As I understand it:

You can do pledges from Maj and from Gilrion(spelling) (or the orc if you have dlc). You have to do the specific dungeon they ask you to do, i.e. Banished Cells 2 or Fungal Grotto 1. You can do these pledges on any level and still get keys no matter which pledge giver they come from. So, it's not normal silver or vet gold anymore. It's whatever you want.

However, for completing the pledges, you will receive:

Normal - 1 key
Vet - 1 key and the helm of the last boss
Hard Mode - 2 keys (and the helm of the last boss)

Either way, all you must do is complete the specified dungeon under any difficulty setting. You can still carry a lowbie through in normal, if your CP scaled group chooses to do the pledge on normal for instance. And what's even better is you can do what would formerly have been considered silver on vet now.

The monster helms also have a 100% drop rate. No accounting for traits, of course.

That's the best way I can describe it. (I know the OP didn't ask for a description and prob understands how it works. This is just in case others who need help read this thread).

Please correct me on any of the above if I'm wrong. ^

Thanks it is helpful for those who don't know.

DocFrost72

Definately noob friendly in one sense; The difficulty of normal story I is perfect for very new or very laid back players.