Add Roots to Immunity Table Please

Quelhallow

Don't get me wrong. Roots are great for PVE. But here is what I experienced the other day in PVP:

A magi sorcerer and stamina DK could not beat me in a 2v1 fight. They tried, they failed. Nor could I beat them, as the sorc would bubble/streak/heal and the DK would simply run away (and be bubbled) as the sorc spammed roots. So, they decided to troll. As I walked back to my keep, the sorc kept spamming encase and the DK kept spamming dizzying swing and caltrops - slowing me down knocking me back the way I had come. They would not kill me when I'd just stand there when I realized what they were doing. They would not let me log out. And they'd harass me in whispers to the point I had to ignore them both. I tried getting help in zone chat, but the few people on were busy elsewhere. All said, it took me a matter of 17 minutes to walk/roll dodge back to Glademist mine from Ales lumber.

More and more people are just spamming roots in order to troll. Bombard thankfully got changed so we don't see those monkeys any more. And as a DK I can reflect the ice-reach and crippling grasp potatoes when I see them coming (but it sure sucks when playing other classes). Encase, however, remains over powered not only because of the group snare (and probable negate follow up), but because it is cheap to use and can be spammed indefinitely.

I realize the argument against adding roots to the CC immunity table would be that this is literally the only way to catch stam shufflers and bubble streakers. But I still think that roots (and its nemesis shuffle) need to be balanced out.

Waffennacht

These are the risks in running a tank build that cannot kill alonein Cyrodiil. I think the already existing counter moves to snare are enough

Rohamad_Ali

There are CC immunities . Are roots not included ? The test center Soul Assault says CC immunity , what does that mean ?

Waffennacht

There are:
Snares
stuns
Fear
Disorientation
Concussion
Off balance
Rooted
Knockdown/knock back

What classifies a "disabling" effect as in immovable, not entirely sure. Snares are the slowing down which shuffle provides immunity to.

Forward momentum provides immunity to "mobilizing" effects, I think roots are that.

Purge gets rid of them im sure

LegacyDM

No. If you add roots to immunity table than dodge rollers and shuffle stackers will be impossible to kill.not to mention DKs will be screwed big time.

Rikumaru

If roots are added then builds using shuffle will become less strong compared to builds not using shuffle as the builds not using shuffle will have a greater advantage over that change than people using shuffle will. Snares and roots are just way too out of control at the moment which was also made worse by the mobility nerfs.

TreeHugger1

why didnt u just suicide/let them kill u? sounds like u wasted 17 min to escape from a troll.

Ankael07

Retreating maneuver + vigor + rally to troll them back

CavalryPK

I actually learned about this recently. That's when I realized what to do when you have the Shafle dodge roll spammers. Basically cast cripple until they run out of stamina. Then metior
, while it is coming down cast fear then once it hits cast assassin's will then medium attack with swolo soul. If you can pull this combo most
of the time is a guarantee kill.

Jaronking

I say don't add roots but ask gap closer snares.

exeeter702

Make roots undogeable then maybe.

Ask any ranged caster build how reliable roots are for pvp in this game.

TheBonesXXX

Soon as they fix the BS called Shuffle, when its evident its numerical coefficient is clearly on a level of its own. It may say Major Evasion, but what it means is Omega Evasion; free passive damage mitigation that I have seen dodge everything.

Roots in this game is the one CC that should never be trifled with anyway. If you can't dodge roll out of roots then its your own damn fault.

Berenhir

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

There are CC immunities . Are roots not included ? The test center Soul Assault says CC immunity , what does that mean ?

CC = Crowd Control
All effects that hinder other people in their movement and/or attacks are called CC effects.

Snares and roots are (soft) CCs. The difference between them and a stun (disabling effect/hard CC) is the impact on your char. Stuns take you completely out of the fight, snares and roots just hinder or prevent your movement.

E.g. while rooted by frost reach you can still go trough your normal rotation, even streak or gap close. While stunned by defensive rune, you cannot do anything except to break free.

Concerning OP:
You did not slot Shuffle, Maneuver or Mist Form (which counter roots). You seem knowledgeable enough to know these skills, so I suppose you were just too lazy to slot one of them. Correct me if I'm wrong please. How can you complain then?

What's next? 5 sec damage immunity after getting hit?

Quelhallow

Yes. I was definitely too lazy to predict this would happen, this never-ending dizzying swing root fest, to slot shuffle.

Roll dodge. Get rooted. Get knocked back with dizzying swing. Break free. Get slowed by caltrops. Get rooted.
Roll dodge. Get rooted. Get knocked back with dizzying swing. Break free. Get slowed by caltrops. Get rooted.

17 minutes of this.

They couldn't be beat. They couldn't beat me. So they decided to troll and harass in this way using these these 'skills,' including sending me whispers that were so foul I had to put them both on ignore.

But yes. It's totally my problem I didn't have the skills slotted I needed for that particular fight. I should have seen this kind of harassment coming.

Any other day, a zerg would have come by and killed either me or them and I would have thought nothing of it.

The CC system isn't the only thing that needs to change in PVP. I refuse to even go back out there now with all the proc sets to add to such an imbalanced system. I'll be PVEing til the new year, me thinks.

Minno

Waffennacht wrote: »

These are the risks in running a tank build that cannot kill alonein Cyrodiil. I think the already existing counter moves to snare are enough

I dealt with this last patch. At score tick, I ran to arrius to flag a bunch of resources. At the farm an EP rode out to engage. Since it was a tank/tank battle between Templars, I realized I couldn't out dps if he spammed mist form and didn't have to toolkit to deal.

So I fled, to only have the same Templar tag me with a light attack resto that had a poison adding a snare on me. Then had a buddy come to try to kill me while he snared my toon lol. I "walked" from arrius to chal mile gate and at the time out was the most annoying encounter in pvp.

I laugh about it now, but my buddy @RinaldoGandolphi likes to remind me of how pissed I was during it lol. Though I win because they didn't kill me .

Minalan

Unkillable [SNIP]tank complaining about his only counter - roots and mobility.

[Edited for inappropriate content]

thankyourat

Minno wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

These are the risks in running a tank build that cannot kill alonein Cyrodiil. I think the already existing counter moves to snare are enough

I dealt with this last patch. At score tick, I ran to arrius to flag a bunch of resources. At the farm an EP rode out to engage. Since it was a tank/tank battle between Templars, I realized I couldn't out dps if he spammed mist form and didn't have to toolkit to deal.

So I fled, to only have the same Templar tag me with a light attack resto that had a poison adding a snare on me. Then had a buddy come to try to kill me while he snared my toon lol. I "walked" from arrius to chal mile gate and at the time out was the most annoying encounter in pvp.

I laugh about it now, but my buddy @RinaldoGandolphi likes to remind me of how pissed I was during it lol. Though I win because they didn't kill me .

Sometimes it's just better to die.

Quelhallow

Minalan wrote: »

Unkillable [SNIP]tank complaining about his only counter - roots and mobility.

I am killable. I solo and am killed a lot.
And I'm a girl.
And I don't appreciate your thoughts that my build is [SNIP]. How is anything in a video game is [SNIP].

RinaldoGandolphi

Minno wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

These are the risks in running a tank build that cannot kill alonein Cyrodiil. I think the already existing counter moves to snare are enough

I dealt with this last patch. At score tick, I ran to arrius to flag a bunch of resources. At the farm an EP rode out to engage. Since it was a tank/tank battle between Templars, I realized I couldn't out dps if he spammed mist form and didn't have to toolkit to deal.

So I fled, to only have the same Templar tag me with a light attack resto that had a poison adding a snare on me. Then had a buddy come to try to kill me while he snared my toon lol. I "walked" from arrius to chal mile gate and at the time out was the most annoying encounter in pvp.

I laugh about it now, but my buddy @RinaldoGandolphi likes to remind me of how pissed I was during it lol. Though I win because they didn't kill me .

Lol! Yeah that was funny! That was the first time I ever saw you need to walk away from the computer for a few rotfl!

Gonna have to try out that Malabeth set soon now that you got it

Minalan

Quelhallow wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Unkillable [SNIP]tank complaining about his only counter - roots and mobility.

I am killable. I solo and am killed a lot.
And I'm a girl.
And I don't appreciate your thoughts that my build is [SNIP]. How is anything in a video game is [SNIP].

1. Just not in a 2v1, it probably takes more than that to actually 'kill' you.
2. You wouldn't know by the forum name, and I fail to see how your gender changes anything in an argument about game mechanics. So leave it at the door please.
3. I don't care about what you do or don't appreciate. The build is terrible for the game as a whole because you can stack that much survivability and damage on any toon without sacrificing anything. Except apparently, your ability to get out of snares - Which immediately warrants a complaint thread.

You made a whole thread about this, you need to be prepared for criticism. I've been nothing but succinct, and nothing I've said is a personal insult, so keep your finger off the 'report' button please.

Quelhallow

1. I've been killed in a 1v1.
2. You were the one who assumed I was male. Me correcting you throws you on the defensive, and then you tell me to leave my gender at the door. I just roll my eyes at this point.
3. You don't know my build. Nowhere on this thread did I post what my build is. I keep my build in a safe place, far away from forum warriors who take pleasure in throwing out insults, just not personal ones.
4. Making a thread is about opening a discussion. It's not about inviting people like yourself in who "don't care" but think it's their God-given right to tell me exactly what is wrong with my build and insinuate how much better they are at PvP than I am.
5. Don't write anything if you have nothing to contribute. There is something wrong with how people can spam roots/snares. One build can counter another, and so on, and I'm fine with that. It's just the way people were exploiting the snare/root CC is what makes me angry facey.

Minalan

Quelhallow wrote: »

1. I've been killed in a 1v1.
2. You were the one who assumed I was male. Me correcting you throws you on the defensive, and then you tell me to leave my gender at the door. I just roll my eyes at this point.
3. You don't know my build. Nowhere on this thread did I post what my build is. I keep my build in a safe place, far away from forum warriors who take pleasure in throwing out insults, just not personal ones.
4. Making a thread is about opening a discussion. It's not about inviting people like yourself in who "don't care" but think it's their God-given right to tell me exactly what is wrong with my build and insinuate how much better they are at PvP than I am.
5. Don't write anything if you have nothing to contribute. There is something wrong with how people can spam roots/snares. One build can counter another, and so on, and I'm fine with that. It's just the way people were exploiting the snare/root CC is what makes me angry facey.

1. Yes, probably by another stam class.
2. I used a pronoun wrong. Did it offend you that badly? If so I apologize.
3. I can take a really really really good guess...
4. You're asking to gut the only defense magicka classes have left. Roots. CC. You already have Shuffle and the long immunity granted by it.

You'll have to excuse the disagreement, but the first place a stam player goes is the forum when anything bothers them in the least, and it's nearly always patched out.

5. You had me at angry-facey. Slot shuffle next time and walk away.

Quelhallow

I'm not a stam class.

I'm hybrid.

Shuffle is for youtubers.

Minalan

Quelhallow wrote: »

I'm not a stam class.

I'm hybrid.

Shuffle is for youtubers.

So. You won't use the number one game ability to stop root spam. But, you'll run to the forums and ask for a nerf.

That pretty much sum it up?

Alucardo

Roots should have their own immunity, like 3 seconds (half of a normal stun or knock down immunity). I'm sick to death of not being able to control my character because I'm constantly being rooted in place, but I can also see why DKs would need perma rooting as their gap closer is trash.
I think 3 seconds is a decent compromise, because it's really not fair to be able to turn someone into a god damn statue for as long as you want.