I have found a new use for Pacrooti

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LrdRahvin wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

DragonSamurai360 wrote: »

Wait a second I noticed on the screenshot it says something about PTS(Public Test Server). Is this going to be a real thing, or is this supposed to be a joke? Yes serious question, because I am confused.

@DragonSamurai360

This is a representation of how these crown crates should have been implemented similar to the Golden vendor in Cyrodiil that only shows up on the weekends. Only Pacrooti would have crown store items for sale instead.

It's also a really excellent idea...much better than ZOS' Crack Crates.

Agreed

Nirnrotten

@DragonSamurai360 nope just a great idea from a fellow ESO player. Great potential alternative to the Crown Crate Debacle of 2016.

silvereyes

I love it. No more useless consumables. No more duplicate crown store currency.

Playing devil's advocate, though: what motivation does ZOS have to implement this? I think if the idea has even a tiny bit of hope of being incorporated, we're going to have to think about this in ZOS business terms and make the case to them. They knew the crates would have backlash, but implemented them anyways. So the "making your customers happy" argument isn't going to hold water. It's already been dismissed.

The few people that do go for the apex mounts in the crates will be dropping $200-300 in one large burst. The large numbers of people that have a few extra crowns lying around will likely spend $4 on stuff they wouldn't otherwise buy. Microtransactions make $$$, at least in the short-term.

What can a limited offering of higher-priced direct-buy items offer to ZOS in terms of $$$ that would make abandoning the microtransactions worth it?

Daraugh

Brilliant OP! Transparency, control over what you buy but still a chance on what shows up. I'd hunt down Pacrooti every Saturday just too see what he's got, unlike the crates which I won't even touch on the PTS again. They make me too sad :..( Heck, finding Pacrooti would be half the fun! He'd be like M'aiq's cousin that the family won't talk about lol

JamieAubrey

Huh, so he shows you what you get ? I always had to back out to see what I got

iRogue32

This is an amazing idea!

Magicka_DK

Acrolas wrote: »

Except the senche was 2500 crowns and the brocade robe was 1,000.
Soul-shriven clothing was 233 crowns prorated from the 700 trio.

The best method is to sell them outright at a price that isn't being a *** to everyone who's already bought them. Sales are okay. Blatant devaluation isn't.

Second best would be a 5500 crown box that guarantees one atro mount and one or two other collectibles.

There are six atro mounts. Somebody would pay 5500 times six to get all of them much more quickly than the possibility of paying 5500 time six and getting none of them. It's taking or forfeiting the $232.74 ($240 minus the $7.24 standard transaction fee), and if I were hard up for money, I'd take it.

The only people guaranteed to buy the 400 crown boxes are streamers and video monetizers who are getting other people to pay for them. It's easy to dump free money into a bad idea. There's no risk.

But blah blah thread already exists blah blah compartmentalization blah blah closed.

Its not being a ***** to anyone because things devalue over time. You dont hear me complaining that every got the DLC cheaper then I did with that bundle do you?

Rexx

Parcooti, im waiting for the i7, can you please steal some? I will pay 5000 crowns for one.

desciviib14_ESO

I like this much better. I've always supported putting cool *** in the store but I won't spend money on chances. I don't gamble IRL and crowns are essentially an extension of real money and I will not be gambling those either. I need to see what Ill get before I spend money and that's pretty much it!

Phinix1

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Huh, so he shows you what you get ? I always had to back out to see what I got

No. The version on the PTS, the one ZOS plans to release, is pure gambling. You spend $4 in crowns on a crate where you don't know the contents, then you open it and get RANDOM rewards, with an EXTREMELY small (zero in 15000 crowns worth) chance to get a rare mount.

The OP is saying this would be a better design, where once a week there are a random set of old previous limited time Crown items, and some new ones possibly, and you see the prices and can choose to buy them directly or not.

I am against predatory gambling and turning MMO's into RNG addiction peddling, so I support the OP and NOT ZOS' version.

OutLaw_Nynx

This is cute as heck.

Zenzuki

MissBizz wrote: »

The more I think about this idea, the more I like it. Let me know if you like these ideas for it.

Prices need to be higher. For normal crown store items they could be equal, or a tad higher than they originally were due to them being removed.

Any "limited time" items should have their price doubled, or almost. This system (or crates) is obviously to make Zos some more money, so if you missed it the first time, you pay the price.

Pacrooti could show up for the weekend like the Golden, so it's limited time in a sense.

Pacrooti could offer you 4 cards. You could be given 3 chances per weekend to change those cards. What's the catch? If you get him to deal you a new hand... you no longer can go back to the first 4. So essentially you'd feel a bit pressured to buy something you kind of like on your first hand before asking for a new deal etc. Little bit of RNG for Zos, but in a much more transparent way.

The last point would kind of make it like... a "crown crate" that you get to CHOOSE if you want to buy the item. If you get dealt a new hand (or open a new crate, whatever) then you know you (for that weekend) lost your chance at purchasing anything from the first hand if you didn't buy it. (unless of course that item get's offered to you again in one of the other hands)

Oh, keep the 5 card mechanic. Rarely give someone a 5th card, that offers them a super special item pertaining to the theme (and ONLY those items that perfectly match the theme) such as an atronach mounts. Maybe some "lesser" themed items that have a chance showing up in the main 4 cards (the other 2 atro themed things)

I like the OP's idea here... A LOT!

With your additional ideas added to it.... Fan-tas-tic!!!

Makes it much more transparent, gives us the players some semblance of control in the decision making process while adding a touch of that 'ol RNG that ZOS seems to love so much!

It will afford them the opportunity to still cash in from the gambler types by "going for it" on another round or two of cards, while letting all players see up front what random things have come up before purchasing. This would mean even if they charged more then the original prices that these things went for when on the crown store originally, people that missed them and now see the opportunity to get them, will be more then willing to cough up the crowns now to grab the item.

Players wont feel taken advantage of... ZOS still gets a nice payday on the regular! Also takes a bit of complexity out of the equation by not adding a whole new currency (gems) and trade-in mechanic to the game!

The rare 5th card mechanic is also a great way to include those "exclusive" items, as whenever you may get dealt that fifth card... you'd be so excited to see it pop and see that mount or whatnot looking at you, it'd be a lot easier to justify that "impulse" purchase due to the excitement.

And finally, it's been mentioned by others that Pacrooti should be a traveler! It would indeed be a cool "FUN" feature to have him only appear on weekends, and on a randomly rotating location basis. Just coming across him naturally or enjoying the thrill of the hunt, searching for him, would add another player centric layer to this feature.

All of this seems to be a WAY better (for all) implementation of this "crown crate" idea, and as see in this thread compared to the others, it's being much more positively viewed then Zos'.

ZOS... Please take note of this idea compared to what is currently in the works. Do the thing that doesn't result in wholesale revolt and loss of subs and playerbase. While many may not leave over this, a lot will and that's less players for us to game with and less players for you to receive money!

Tyrion87

Why do I have a strange feeling that the more people like it, the less likely it is that ZOS actually would implement such a great thing instead of Clown Crates...

TheDarkRuler

ZoS?
You read this?
Please do this!

@ZOS_GinaBruno ; @ZOS_KaiSchober

Saoirse_Siobhan

This idea, all the way! I would marry Pacrooti if he offered this (instead of beheading him for his current insolence)

Saoirse_Siobhan

MissBizz wrote: »

The more I think about this idea, the more I like it. Let me know if you like these ideas for it.

Prices need to be higher. For normal crown store items they could be equal, or a tad higher than they originally were due to them being removed.

Any "limited time" items should have their price doubled, or almost. This system (or crates) is obviously to make Zos some more money, so if you missed it the first time, you pay the price.

As much as I love your idea, I don't think the prices for "limited time" items should be doubled. Increased, yes, but not doubled. I have wanted the Clouded Senche mount for sooooo long! But I still wouldn't pay 5000 crowns for it. It was 2500, if they made it 3000 crowns I would snap it up in a heartbeat, maybe even 3500 crowns.

Daraugh

@ZOS_GinaBruno Please send the OP's idea to the powers that be! It's a great idea that would go a long way in helping the game to make money long-term instead of in one burst and then dying a slow death.

Recremen

Absolutely LOVE the idea, though the prices are a bit wonky on some of them. The Brocade Robes and Clouded Senche in particular are far lower than what they were originally. Indeed, they're a little less than half price. But yeah, that is 5000% better than the gambling box nonsense.

Preyfar

I actually really like the concept of this!

DragonSamurai360

TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

The more I think about this idea, the more I like it. Let me know if you like these ideas for it.

Prices need to be higher. For normal crown store items they could be equal, or a tad higher than they originally were due to them being removed.

Any "limited time" items should have their price doubled, or almost. This system (or crates) is obviously to make Zos some more money, so if you missed it the first time, you pay the price.

As much as I love your idea, I don't think the prices for "limited time" items should be doubled. Increased, yes, but not doubled. I have wanted the Clouded Senche mount for sooooo long! But I still wouldn't pay 5000 crowns for it. It was 2500, if they made it 3000 crowns I would snap it up in a heartbeat, maybe even 3500 crowns.

I agree that they should be increased but not doubled, for example the Clouded Senche mount I feel would be a great price with 3000 Crowns, I did pay the 2500 back when I used to play on PC, and would love to get it again, but I would NOT go higher than 3500 for it. I should have just started on the Xbox One version and bought the Ice Horse & Clouded Senche on Xbox One instead of PC. I still can't believe I was stupid enough to continue playing on PC knowing I was going to have to transfer to console, because of my gaming laptop croaking on me twice and I have had to get it repaired. Now I can do web browsing fine, but if I do any more gaming on it it isn't going to last long. Since there isn't going to be any more transfer offers, it would be nice to get at least one of the two mounts I have on my PC account that I do not have on my Xbox One account.

MissBizz

DragonSamurai360 wrote: »

TheWhiteDarkness wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

The more I think about this idea, the more I like it. Let me know if you like these ideas for it.

Prices need to be higher. For normal crown store items they could be equal, or a tad higher than they originally were due to them being removed.

Any "limited time" items should have their price doubled, or almost. This system (or crates) is obviously to make Zos some more money, so if you missed it the first time, you pay the price.

As much as I love your idea, I don't think the prices for "limited time" items should be doubled. Increased, yes, but not doubled. I have wanted the Clouded Senche mount for sooooo long! But I still wouldn't pay 5000 crowns for it. It was 2500, if they made it 3000 crowns I would snap it up in a heartbeat, maybe even 3500 crowns.

I agree that they should be increased but not doubled, for example the Clouded Senche mount I feel would be a great price with 3000 Crowns, I did pay the 2500 back when I used to play on PC, and would love to get it again, but I would NOT go higher than 3500 for it. I should have just started on the Xbox One version and bought the Ice Horse & Clouded Senche on Xbox One instead of PC. I still can't believe I was stupid enough to continue playing on PC knowing I was going to have to transfer to console, because of my gaming laptop croaking on me twice and I have had to get it repaired. Now I can do web browsing fine, but if I do any more gaming on it it isn't going to last long. Since there isn't going to be any more transfer offers, it would be nice to get at least one of the two mounts I have on my PC account that I do not have on my Xbox One account.

Yeah double is a bit of a stretch, but I think yeah it definitely needs to be a tad higher than the original price.

Acrolas

Magicka_DK wrote: »

Its not being a ***** to anyone because things devalue over time. You dont hear me complaining that every got the DLC cheaper then I did with that bundle do you?

The bundle is an upsell. Pre One Tamriel, I'd say get Orsinium and skip the rest. Post OT, I wouldn't recommend any of them. Gold Edition is getting casuals to pay $60 for DLC features they'll try one weekend and never go back to.

And ZOS has gone and shot themselves in the foot, because after that bundle few people are going to buy day-of or week-of, when they can just wait six months and get more of the same gopher quests at a reduced price.

If ZOS wants to *** with my wallet, I'll *** right back. My financial adviser and I were just talking last week about how a lot of the schmucks running these game products don't even have a savings account or an investment portfolio.

Which is why they have a really hard time understanding how to make money. No personal experience to draw from.

fr33r4ng3r

I really like OP's idea! There are also some excellent suggestions in this thread so far!

SlayerTheDragon

I am commenting here just to be part of something this awesome.

Asardes

Pacrooti has the wares if you have the crown.

Cogo

Players who plays the game will not buy these crates.

Players who don't play the game will buy the crates, to pay for not playing.

These crates are dumb.

SanderBuraas

A great replacement for their currently planned crown crates. This would keep the rng aspect of the crates, but give players the option to spend money if they want to.

We want to spend money, just not on silly casino crates. The point of casinos is the thrill of gambling, not actually winning.

shadowwraith666

nice idea, sounds very similar to Darvo's deals from warframe

Palindiil

This is a terrible idea - in that it is so much better than the crown crates that it made me more depressed.

Mandragora

MissBizz wrote: »

The more I think about this idea, the more I like it. Let me know if you like these ideas for it.

Prices need to be higher. For normal crown store items they could be equal, or a tad higher than they originally were due to them being removed.

Any "limited time" items should have their price doubled, or almost. This system (or crates) is obviously to make Zos some more money, so if you missed it the first time, you pay the price.

Pacrooti could show up for the weekend like the Golden, so it's limited time in a sense.

Pacrooti could offer you 4 cards. You could be given 3 chances per weekend to change those cards. What's the catch? If you get him to deal you a new hand... you no longer can go back to the first 4. So essentially you'd feel a bit pressured to buy something you kind of like on your first hand before asking for a new deal etc. Little bit of RNG for Zos, but in a much more transparent way.

The last point would kind of make it like... a "crown crate" that you get to CHOOSE if you want to buy the item. If you get dealt a new hand (or open a new crate, whatever) then you know you (for that weekend) lost your chance at purchasing anything from the first hand if you didn't buy it. (unless of course that item get's offered to you again in one of the other hands)

Oh, keep the 5 card mechanic. Rarely give someone a 5th card, that offers them a super special item pertaining to the theme (and ONLY those items that perfectly match the theme) such as an atronach mounts. Maybe some "lesser" themed items that have a chance showing up in the main 4 cards (the other 2 atro themed things)

I really your ideas and I do hope it will get implemented. I do like all the ideas here - like the searching for Pacrooti.
It is nice to come back to something positive after my attitude was slowly turning into hate, which is not good.