Do you appreciate others telling you what Ability to use in PVE dungeons?

akl77

The abilities for your role, for example to use healing springs instead of Breath of life.
Not gear, not taunt, not heals related. Purely on what ability you should be using instead of the current one you've slotted.

kevlarto_ESO

Yes, appreciated

I am always open to suggestions maybe there something someone knows that I don't, maybe I am ,missing something, maybe we all can learn from each other.

UrQuan

Yes, appreciated

I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you mean people telling you what specific skills to use? Or what specific gear to use? Or what food to use? Or something more generic like "as you're a magicka user you should probably use at least 5 pieces of light armour" or "for this fight we should use ranged" or "you need to use a taunt to tank"?

DocFrost72

Highly depends. If you are a tank who isn't running one of the two taunts, you probably need to be told what to slot.

Healers need a move that heal, and if you're spamming soul trap for damage, a bit of help is needed there too.

But if you wanna debate with me over biting jabs or flurry, I'd tell you to get lost. So, to answer the poll, "Sometimes".

Ahzek

All depends on the "how".

If someone were to tell me to "use that skill/set or else ..." I would obviously not appreciate it.

If someone were to make a friendly suggestion, or genuinely offer me help to improve my setup I would be all ears and grateful for the offer alome.

LrdRahvin

I didn't vote because there was no option for: Being told to what to do (especially by women in leather or pvc) really gets me revved up.

old_mufasa

Not sure what the poll is asking...

I mean if your a tank and have not taunt slotted.. your not doing your job and I'm going to say something...

If your a healer with no heals... then ya I'm going to say something...

It really depends if the person is doing there role they qued for..

If you que as a healer or tank and your just a dps then I just vote kick...

Browiseth

No, stop telling me what to use

I don't like being commanded to play a specific way. However, I do understand where people doing this come from; it's very easy to find players in your group finder adventures with builds so thoughtless you wonder how they made it to CP160 to begin with.

Whew, sorry, there was a rant forming there. Just gonna shoot that down before it goes any further.

Ultimately, the way I see it, if you're doing your job and having fun doing it, that's all that matters.

Caligamy_ESO

No, stop telling me what to use

I gotta admit I don't really care for it at all.. unless we know each other really well then I am more open to outside suggestions. I read a lot about build suggestions, I try every skill available to my characters, and their morphs. I frequently change out my crafted gear to see if maybe other things work better for my play style. And ultimately in the end I settle on what I find to be the most enjoyable to play, not necessarily whatever the current meta is.

Humatiel

Yes, appreciated

I can appreciate the poll OP but there is such a difference in skill level on the forums its an impossible question.

For instance if I see a stam dk pulling a whopping 15k dps then I will immediately put up a few example rotations for improvement as 15k is braindead I died on a button that keeps clicking. For a good portion of the playerbase though 15k dps is acceptable and (overland) it's "enough" so they wouldn't think to do so.

OR to bring this one step down are we talking basic MMO mechanics (eso being a gateway mmo) like others have stated like having a taunt as a tank?

akl77

No, stop telling me what to use

Edited, sorry for the confusion.

Doctordarkspawn

Yes, appreciated

I like advice, so long as your kind about it. I run alot of non meta builds so theres allways that to consider.

Humatiel

Yes, appreciated

Ah the edit; allow me to clarify then. I would happily let a role assist in me so long as they could do the following;

If my healer can keep me alive / return resources / buff then I don't care if they sing karaoke in the background while wearing all heavy armor. Yes all three are needed to be doing your job. Likewise if a dps can pull at least 20k+ unbuffed (outside vet trials) then he can be doing exactly the same thing. For a tank it's more a matter of buff rotations with a healer so meh I get that being disorganized in a random group but basic mit (~28k+) and tava / horn on all major bosses and I'll call it a "good enough" job to not comment.

Elsonso

Yes, appreciated

... as long as they dont get upset if I don't change.

Nyghthowler

Advice is appreciated. I don't take orders.

akl77

No, stop telling me what to use

I myself hate it when others telling me what to use, I mean I didn't asked for your advice.
I researched myself and asked others if I want to optimise my build.
What I slotted in my bar and bring to the dungeon is what you get, don't try to pull others down by telling them what to use, cos you're not performing my role.
Just enjoy the game for what each individual brings in terms of abilities, if they want to light attack all day, fine stick with it, that's how they enjoy their game. If you have an opinion, you're welcome to leave the group.

redspecter23

It's situational. As mentioned above, if you're a tank and you don't have one of the taunts slotted, I'm going to highly recommend that you slot one. If you don't, you're not really tanking anything. You're just poorly dps'ing things while the other "real" dps take more damage than they should... leading them to play defensively and deal less dps. That's the most obvious example but there may be others.

Abeille

Yes, appreciated

I always welcome friendly advice.

But if they are being rude about it, to Oblivion with them. Glad I never had this problem, though.

redspecter23

akl77 wrote: »

I myself hate it when others telling me what to use, I mean I didn't asked for your advice.
I researched myself and asked others if I want to optimise my build.
What I slotted in my bar and bring to the dungeon is what you get, don't try to pull others down by telling them what to use, cos you're not performing my role.
Just enjoy the game for what each individual brings in terms of abilities, if they want to light attack all day, fine stick with it, that's how they enjoy their game. If you have an opinion, you're welcome to leave the group.

If someone is light attacking all day, they are probably dragging the party down. Sure, they can play how they want, but if you're being dragged through a dungeon due to pulling about 1/20th the dps of other members, do you actually feel good about that? I wouldn't. I'd feel like crap for bringing my party down and making them work harder for my shortcomings.

Abeille

Yes, appreciated

redspecter23 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I myself hate it when others telling me what to use, I mean I didn't asked for your advice.
I researched myself and asked others if I want to optimise my build.
What I slotted in my bar and bring to the dungeon is what you get, don't try to pull others down by telling them what to use, cos you're not performing my role.
Just enjoy the game for what each individual brings in terms of abilities, if they want to light attack all day, fine stick with it, that's how they enjoy their game. If you have an opinion, you're welcome to leave the group.

If someone is light attacking all day, they are probably dragging the party down. Sure, they can play how they want, but if you're being dragged through a dungeon due to pulling about 1/20th the dps of other members, do you actually feel good about that? I wouldn't. I'd feel like crap for bringing my party down and making them work harder for my shortcomings.

You and me both. I am pretty insecure about my performance in groups since I am not very experienced with group content, and I would hate to be a burden for my group.

akl77

No, stop telling me what to use

redspecter23 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I myself hate it when others telling me what to use, I mean I didn't asked for your advice.
I researched myself and asked others if I want to optimise my build.
What I slotted in my bar and bring to the dungeon is what you get, don't try to pull others down by telling them what to use, cos you're not performing my role.
Just enjoy the game for what each individual brings in terms of abilities, if they want to light attack all day, fine stick with it, that's how they enjoy their game. If you have an opinion, you're welcome to leave the group.

If someone is light attacking all day, they are probably dragging the party down. Sure, they can play how they want, but if you're being dragged through a dungeon due to pulling about 1/20th the dps of other members, do you actually feel good about that? I wouldn't. I'd feel like crap for bringing my party down and making them work harder for my shortcomings.

In that case, I sometimes might leave the group if it's really hopelessly going nowhere. But I don't tell them what to slot.

visionality

Highly depends on what "others". I appreciate to communicate what skills are being used before starting a dungeon to optimize skillbars, and when I'm on my healer I always check how many magica and stam builds are in the group to give them best support. If somebody asks for a specific skill and I can provide it, I always do as long as it's a good choice.

If the "others" is some bigmouth who tries to sound like an expert so that he can blame everybody else for his shortcomings, I usually just ignore him.

If the "others" just like to be bossy, I play ***-for-tat. Tanks are always very surprised if they tell you that you have to AOE the mob and you reply that they have to taunt the boss.

disintegr8

Where is the 'Other' option?

I am happy to take advice but not everyone runs dungeons the same way and when I have run a dungeon dozens of times I am not going to deviate a lot from what I have succeeded with before.

I get a lot of comments because I run two tanks through dungeons every day using PUG's and the quality of players varies a lot. If we have high DPS, everything dies so quickly that nothing the tank or healer does (or doesn't do) can interfere. If fights last a long time though you might have to switch things about for the good of the group.

Mostly it is the longer fights where people want you to use 'y' instead of 'x' on your bar, or do 'w' instead of 'z'. I am happy to do this if it means we get the job done but I am not going to reduce my ability to stay alive to cover someone else's failings.

raidentenshu_ESO

Yes, appreciated

I'm always open to suggestions from knowledgeable players who have been playing the game far more than I have.

For an example I'm a Magical DPS sorcs who uses Force shock as my spammable weapon. I use to have Force pulse up until someone told me that I should use Crushing shock (to interrupt enemy spell casting - like the Anka-Ra Flame-Shaper in Hel Ra). I did just that and I've been more than pleased with this decision. My group members aren't dying from the Flame-sharpers flame throwing ability because of my choice

SienneYviete

Yes, appreciated

If I see a healer spamming healing springs when nobody is taking damage while the dd's are running out of resources or a dd spamming light attacks in a trash pull or a tank holding block standing still while group members are getting wailed on by adds, I'm going to give you some advice and would expect the same if I was doing the same. It's your prerogative to accept the advice or not but it will be there, if you get offended by this well then you're not worth me wasting my time helping.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Yes, appreciated

Sure, I'm always open for suggestions how I can improve myself. I might not always follow the advice, but as long as it is not done in any harsh way, I'll either try it or tell the person why I think the suggested skill is not useful in my opinion.

subtlezeroub17_ESO

Depends....

I only say something if the tank isnt using taunts or healer isnt using heals...or dps not actually dps'ing. If you can at least fulfill the most basic requirements of your role, then I dont care in dungeons. Its not like its trials.

akl77

No, stop telling me what to use

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Depends....

I only say something if the tank isnt using taunts or healer isnt using heals...or dps not actually dps'ing. If you can at least fulfill the most basic requirements of your role, then I dont care in dungeons. Its not like its trials.

Yea, trial and PVP does need cooperation of what abilities in the group, so it's not double up.

SanderBuraas

For solo content, you can use whatever you want. Though, when doing group content, you should use skills that are viable for your role. If you are failing to heal and keep your teammates alive with Breath of Life, you need to use a more viable skill until you are done with the group content.

Mojmir

I don't open chat to communicate

Chat is for jokes and having a good time

UrQuan

Yes, appreciated

OK based on the edit of OP to clarify what the question is really asking, I'm going to go with "Yes, appreciated" but there's a caveat to that. It depends very much on the delivery, and also on whether the person asking me to use X, Y , or Z is one of those know-nothing know-it-alls.

If the delivery is rude, then that's a big nope. I'll do what I want to do. If the delivery isn't rude and it seems like the person is just trying to be helpful, then I appreciate the advice, and I may or may not take that advice. Often I'll take the advice and in doing so find something new that works for me - maybe something that's only situational, or maybe something that improves my play overall.

If the person asking me to use a particular ability is the type of person who's constantly telling everyone what to do, and yet is clearly terrible and/or clueless, then that's also a big nope.