vMA with bad traits vs Normal Weapons with good traits

ClockworkArc

Which is better?

I've been working on vMA and still need to grind out a precise/sharpened/nirnhoned lightning staff (I'm not that picky), a sharpened or nirnhoned 2h, and one more sharpened axe/dagger but I'm taking it slow. Only really doing 1 - 2 runs a week so that I can place on the leaderboard and that way I get 2 weapons for one run. .

Currently, I've got a Charged Maelstrom 2H. Now I know charged is an awful trait for that weapon but the extra weapon damage and the enchant are pretty awesome. Is it worth using this weapon over a normal sharpened 2h with enchants/poisons? Should I chuck it?

Waffennacht

I believe the difference is such that a sharpened gold weapon is better than a poor traited MA weapon

ClockworkArc

Thanks Waffennacht!

CultOfMMO

depends on the setting, aka the buffs/debuffs present.

Both my vMA axe/dagger are precise, and its incredibly powerful with proper warhorn rotation and armor shredding. But thats often very hard to achieve even for coordinated regular vet trial groups, which is why sharpened almost always win out. My sharp leki mace/dagger out damages my vMA weapons most of the time, unless i know someone is wearing night mothers, then vMA wins.

Forget about enchants, sharpened is just too strong, its not a case of tailoring your build to accomodate for precise weapons, its straight out you're losing damage because you dont have the OP trait.

Xvorg

CultOfMMO wrote: »

depends on the setting, aka the buffs/debuffs present.

Both my vMA axe/dagger are precise, and its incredibly powerful with proper warhorn rotation and armor shredding. But thats often very hard to achieve even for coordinated regular vet trial groups, which is why sharpened almost always win out. My sharp leki mace/dagger out damages my vMA weapons most of the time, unless i know someone is wearing night mothers, then vMA wins.

Forget about enchants, sharpened is just too strong, its not a case of tailoring your build to accomodate for precise weapons, its straight out you're losing damage because you dont have the OP trait.

But precise is the second best trait, pretty useable in certain builds, bad traits (for DPS) are training or powered

MrTarkanian48

@ClockworkArc

It depends on the weapon.

2H Sharpened non set item is better than Charged vMA 2H

Sharpened Inferno Non-set staff is better than Non sharpened vMA Destro

The exception is DW IF you are planning on PVE with a heavy dot rotation like stam DK. The boost in Weapon Damage on your DoTs is significant enough to make up for the bad trait.

X3ina

CultOfMMO wrote: »

depends on the setting, aka the buffs/debuffs present.

Both my vMA axe/dagger are precise, and its incredibly powerful with proper warhorn rotation and armor shredding. But thats often very hard to achieve even for coordinated regular vet trial groups, which is why sharpened almost always win out. My sharp leki mace/dagger out damages my vMA weapons most of the time, unless i know someone is wearing night mothers, then vMA wins.

Forget about enchants, sharpened is just too strong, its not a case of tailoring your build to accomodate for precise weapons, its straight out you're losing damage because you dont have the OP trait.

No offence here, but its wrong. Your leki duals can't outparse vMA duals (insert any trait here) just because of the unique enchantment on them. Of course in pve.

This goes to bow aswell, and counts only for magicka dd. But even then precise is not that bad really esp for mdk

CultOfMMO

X3ina wrote: »

No offence here, but its wrong. Your leki duals can't outparse vMA duals (insert any trait here) just because of the unique enchantment on them. Of course in pve.

This goes to bow aswell, and counts only for magicka dd. But even then precise is not that bad really esp for mdk

Are you speaking from experience or just from thought? cuz im speaking from experience. It's not like im hating on vMA weapons, i WISH they outparsed my sharp leki mace/dagger no matter what trait. But they dont.

KingYogi415

CultOfMMO wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

No offence here, but its wrong. Your leki duals can't outparse vMA duals (insert any trait here) just because of the unique enchantment on them. Of course in pve.

This goes to bow aswell, and counts only for magicka dd. But even then precise is not that bad really esp for mdk

Are you speaking from experience or just from thought? cuz im speaking from experience. It's not like im hating on vMA weapons, i WISH they outparsed my sharp leki mace/dagger no matter what trait. But they dont.

Do you not use flurry at all?

Stamsorc and stamdk get at least a 10k dps increase. Even with bad traits.

Reorx_Holybeard

KingYogi415 wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

No offence here, but its wrong. Your leki duals can't outparse vMA duals (insert any trait here) just because of the unique enchantment on them. Of course in pve.

This goes to bow aswell, and counts only for magicka dd. But even then precise is not that bad really esp for mdk

Are you speaking from experience or just from thought? cuz im speaking from experience. It's not like im hating on vMA weapons, i WISH they outparsed my sharp leki mace/dagger no matter what trait. But they dont.

Do you not use flurry at all?

Stamsorc and stamdk get at least a 10k dps increase. Even with bad traits.

You do not just automatically get 10k dps by wielding two DW vMA weapons and hitting flurry once in a while. An end-game build using BiS equipment in a good trial group might get 10k DPS but it will be much less than that for your typical PvE group player.

For example, in my case I got a few DW vMA weapons with half-decent traits but testing them in vMA I get around 10% less DPS using the half-good vMA trait weapons than I do with sharpened Night Mother's daggers. Of course this is *with* weaving flurry with Blood Craze and Poison Injection like you should with vMA weapons.

Now the bad-trait vMA Bow stays on my back bar and is only used for buffs and Volley so that *does* give more DPS than a sharpened bow but a weapon rarely used on your back bar is much different that you main bar weapons.

Savos_Saren

Correct me if I'm wrong:

But don't most weapons that are legendary, sharpened, and with an "irresistible damage" (decrease health) enchant going to be better than poorly traited Master/Maelstrom weapons?

CultOfMMO

KingYogi415 wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

X3ina wrote: »

No offence here, but its wrong. Your leki duals can't outparse vMA duals (insert any trait here) just because of the unique enchantment on them. Of course in pve.

This goes to bow aswell, and counts only for magicka dd. But even then precise is not that bad really esp for mdk

Are you speaking from experience or just from thought? cuz im speaking from experience. It's not like im hating on vMA weapons, i WISH they outparsed my sharp leki mace/dagger no matter what trait. But they dont.

Do you not use flurry at all?

Stamsorc and stamdk get at least a 10k dps increase. Even with bad traits.

at least 10k dps increase even with bad traits, lmfao. "AT LEAAAAAAST"

i seriously doubt you own a pair of vMA weapons.

welp when you finally get them, dont be TOO disappointed. It is AT MOST 10k dps increase with perfect traits, as Reorx mentioned above.

but okay to answer your question, yes im well aware of what flurry is.