Vvardenfell size on eso map

exeeter702

Sorry I know this is random. Maybe I'm just not seeing it right or have selective memory fron my time spent in morrowind years ago. But when you compare the land mass shown in eso's map of tamriel where vvardenfell is located, it isn't that much larger then most of the bigger zones in the game. Wrothgar for example looks nearly the same size.

Vvardenfell was vast and very expansive, wrothgar takes a few minutes to walk from one side to the other.

Yes this is eso and not a main single player entry to the franchise, but if they ever implement vvardenfell in game, I'm sure I will end up disappointed .

Taleof2Cities

Considering ESO has 26 zones ... most of which are a provincial section much like Vvardenfell is to Morrowind, I don't think I will be too disappointed. The sheer land area of the existing content is so large already.

It's in the dev's hands though ... I think something that is on par (or larger than) Wrothgar would be worth the wait.

exeeter702

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Considering ESO has 26 zones ... most of which are a provincial section much like Vvardenfell is to Morrowind, I don't think I will be too disappointed. The sheer land area of the existing content is so large already.

It's in the dev's hands though ... I think something that is on par (or larger than) Wrothgar would be worth the wait.

But vvardenfell the land mass is huge in perspective. Whereas in this game it's geography suggests it's no larger than wrothgar.

andreasranasen

What I do hope with Vvardenfell is that it will be OPEN. Majority of the maps ingame (except Cyrodiil and Wrothgar) are very cluttered with everything from trees, rocks and monsters. I love Cyrodiils/Wrothgars open space and hope they implement some of that into Vvardenfell.

Because I absolutely hate when you run into a creature in PvE zones every 5ft. Doesn't feel realistic. I just want to enjoy the scenery without being bothered by creatures everywhere.

Vaoh

Vvardenfell will be incredible no matter what. Seriously.... we even get the Morag Tong motif at the same time!

What you should be worrying about is whether or not ZOS will take the absolutely perfect opportunity to create a fifth trial out of Red Mountain.

• Aetherian Archive
• Hel Ra Citadel
• Sanctum Ophidia
• Maw of Lorkhaj
• Red Mountain

Fits in quite nicely imo. So does the Numidian..... and Dagoth Ur

exeeter702

Vaoh wrote: »

Vvardenfell will be incredible no matter what. Seriously.... we even get the Morag Tong motif at the same time!

What you should be worrying about is whether or not ZOS will take the absolutely perfect opportunity to create a fifth trial out of Red Mountain.

• Aetherian Archive
• Hel Ra Citadel
• Sanctum Ophidia
• Maw of Lorkhaj
• Red Mountain

Fits in quite nicely imo. So does the Numidian..... and Dagoth Ur

Refresh my memory, that is where you go through ghost gate right?

The hundreds of hours I've spent in the game had very little to do with playing through the main storyline.

Vaoh

exeeter702 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Vvardenfell will be incredible no matter what. Seriously.... we even get the Morag Tong motif at the same time!

What you should be worrying about is whether or not ZOS will take the absolutely perfect opportunity to create a fifth trial out of Red Mountain.

• Aetherian Archive
• Hel Ra Citadel
• Sanctum Ophidia
• Maw of Lorkhaj
• Red Mountain

Fits in quite nicely imo. So does the Numidian..... and Dagoth Ur

Refresh my memory, that is where you go through ghost gate right?

Yup! Ghostgate was created to contain what Red Mountain spawns.

You climb Red Mountain in Morrowind, killing tons of ghoulish creatures and Ash Vampires, and eventually reach Dagoth Ur in the chamber w/ the Numidium.

Then you basically finish the main quest by using Sunder and Keening (along with Wraithguard) to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan. At least I think you destroyed the Heart, since it might not have actually been "destroyed" altogether.

Remember now?

ParaNostram

Vaoh wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Vvardenfell will be incredible no matter what. Seriously.... we even get the Morag Tong motif at the same time!

What you should be worrying about is whether or not ZOS will take the absolutely perfect opportunity to create a fifth trial out of Red Mountain.

• Aetherian Archive
• Hel Ra Citadel
• Sanctum Ophidia
• Maw of Lorkhaj
• Red Mountain

Fits in quite nicely imo. So does the Numidian..... and Dagoth Ur

Refresh my memory, that is where you go through ghost gate right?

Yup! Ghostgate was created to contain what Red Mountain spawns.

You climb Red Mountain in Morrowind, killing tons of ghoulish creatures and Ash Vampires, and eventually reach Dagoth Ur in the chamber w/ the Numidium.

Then you basically finish the main quest by using Sunder and Keening (along with Wraithguard) to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan. At least I think you destroyed the Heart, since it might not have actually been "destroyed" altogether.

Remember now?

A Red Mountain trial might make sense, so long as the heroes are not successful. There are already whispers in ESO of the Tribunal starting to lose their power, and in so turbulent a time they would without a doubt try to reach the Heart of Lorkhan again to replenish their powers. I don't think they manage a successful pilgrimage to the Heart during the 2nd Era so I think the players would have to fail in some way during the Trial which would be tricky from a design perspective. Perhaps it all ends with a desperate scramble to flee before Dagoth Ur's power and forces overwhelm you?

UrQuan

Vaoh wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Vvardenfell will be incredible no matter what. Seriously.... we even get the Morag Tong motif at the same time!

What you should be worrying about is whether or not ZOS will take the absolutely perfect opportunity to create a fifth trial out of Red Mountain.

• Aetherian Archive
• Hel Ra Citadel
• Sanctum Ophidia
• Maw of Lorkhaj
• Red Mountain

Fits in quite nicely imo. So does the Numidian..... and Dagoth Ur

Refresh my memory, that is where you go through ghost gate right?

Yup! Ghostgate was created to contain what Red Mountain spawns.

You climb Red Mountain in Morrowind, killing tons of ghoulish creatures and Ash Vampires, and eventually reach Dagoth Ur in the chamber w/ the Numidium.

Then you basically finish the main quest by using Sunder and Keening (along with Wraithguard) to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan. At least I think you destroyed the Heart, since it might not have actually been "destroyed" altogether.

Remember now?

I'm a little fuzzy on some of the timeline - would Dagoth Ur have started spreading blight by the time of ESO, or is that still in the future?

Vaoh

ParaNostram wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Vvardenfell will be incredible no matter what. Seriously.... we even get the Morag Tong motif at the same time!

What you should be worrying about is whether or not ZOS will take the absolutely perfect opportunity to create a fifth trial out of Red Mountain.

• Aetherian Archive
• Hel Ra Citadel
• Sanctum Ophidia
• Maw of Lorkhaj
• Red Mountain

Fits in quite nicely imo. So does the Numidian..... and Dagoth Ur

Refresh my memory, that is where you go through ghost gate right?

Yup! Ghostgate was created to contain what Red Mountain spawns.

You climb Red Mountain in Morrowind, killing tons of ghoulish creatures and Ash Vampires, and eventually reach Dagoth Ur in the chamber w/ the Numidium.

Then you basically finish the main quest by using Sunder and Keening (along with Wraithguard) to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan. At least I think you destroyed the Heart, since it might not have actually been "destroyed" altogether.

Remember now?

A Red Mountain trial might make sense, so long as the heroes are not successful. There are already whispers in ESO of the Tribunal starting to lose their power, and in so turbulent a time they would without a doubt try to reach the Heart of Lorkhan again to replenish their powers. I don't think they manage a successful pilgrimage to the Heart during the 2nd Era so I think the players would have to fail in some way during the Trial which would be tricky from a design perspective. Perhaps it all ends with a desperate scramble to flee before Dagoth Ur's power and forces overwhelm you?

I'd assume so.

And it sounds really awesome tbh.

For the final fight, you'd have to attempt to take down Dagoth Ur.

If Dagoth Ur reaches 0% health, he may partially call upon and activate the Numidian somehow, which would force players (along with whoever gives the quest to and accompanies the Trial group, possibly the Tribunal themselves) to scramble out of Red Mountain.

Would result as a failure to replenish their powers this way. Idk.

ZOS could make something absolutely amazing out of a Red Mountain trial. Those red Ash Storms could be an awesome mechanic too!

ParaNostram

UrQuan wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Vvardenfell will be incredible no matter what. Seriously.... we even get the Morag Tong motif at the same time!

What you should be worrying about is whether or not ZOS will take the absolutely perfect opportunity to create a fifth trial out of Red Mountain.

• Aetherian Archive
• Hel Ra Citadel
• Sanctum Ophidia
• Maw of Lorkhaj
• Red Mountain

Fits in quite nicely imo. So does the Numidian..... and Dagoth Ur

Refresh my memory, that is where you go through ghost gate right?

Yup! Ghostgate was created to contain what Red Mountain spawns.

You climb Red Mountain in Morrowind, killing tons of ghoulish creatures and Ash Vampires, and eventually reach Dagoth Ur in the chamber w/ the Numidium.

Then you basically finish the main quest by using Sunder and Keening (along with Wraithguard) to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan. At least I think you destroyed the Heart, since it might not have actually been "destroyed" altogether.

Remember now?

I'm a little fuzzy on some of the timeline - would Dagoth Ur have started spreading blight by the time of ESO, or is that still in the future?

I don't think the blight will have started but he will have obtained enough power to keep the Tribunal from making their pilgrimage to the Heart of Lorkhan if I recall correctly.

UrQuan

ParaNostram wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Vvardenfell will be incredible no matter what. Seriously.... we even get the Morag Tong motif at the same time!

What you should be worrying about is whether or not ZOS will take the absolutely perfect opportunity to create a fifth trial out of Red Mountain.

• Aetherian Archive
• Hel Ra Citadel
• Sanctum Ophidia
• Maw of Lorkhaj
• Red Mountain

Fits in quite nicely imo. So does the Numidian..... and Dagoth Ur

Refresh my memory, that is where you go through ghost gate right?

Yup! Ghostgate was created to contain what Red Mountain spawns.

You climb Red Mountain in Morrowind, killing tons of ghoulish creatures and Ash Vampires, and eventually reach Dagoth Ur in the chamber w/ the Numidium.

Then you basically finish the main quest by using Sunder and Keening (along with Wraithguard) to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan. At least I think you destroyed the Heart, since it might not have actually been "destroyed" altogether.

Remember now?

I'm a little fuzzy on some of the timeline - would Dagoth Ur have started spreading blight by the time of ESO, or is that still in the future?

I don't think the blight will have started but he will have obtained enough power to keep the Tribunal from making their pilgrimage to the Heart of Lorkhan if I recall correctly.

So I guess there'd be no ghost fence yet...

clayandaudrey_ESO

Vaoh wrote: »

Vvardenfell will be incredible no matter what. Seriously.... we even get the Morag Tong motif at the same time!

What you should be worrying about is whether or not ZOS will take the absolutely perfect opportunity to create a fifth trial out of Red Mountain.

• Aetherian Archive
• Hel Ra Citadel
• Sanctum Ophidia
• Maw of Lorkhaj
• Red Mountain

Fits in quite nicely imo. So does the Numidian..... and Dagoth Ur

It will probably be a trial and two dungeons for 1500 crowns.

starkerealm

UrQuan wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Vvardenfell will be incredible no matter what. Seriously.... we even get the Morag Tong motif at the same time!

What you should be worrying about is whether or not ZOS will take the absolutely perfect opportunity to create a fifth trial out of Red Mountain.

• Aetherian Archive
• Hel Ra Citadel
• Sanctum Ophidia
• Maw of Lorkhaj
• Red Mountain

Fits in quite nicely imo. So does the Numidian..... and Dagoth Ur

Refresh my memory, that is where you go through ghost gate right?

Yup! Ghostgate was created to contain what Red Mountain spawns.

You climb Red Mountain in Morrowind, killing tons of ghoulish creatures and Ash Vampires, and eventually reach Dagoth Ur in the chamber w/ the Numidium.

Then you basically finish the main quest by using Sunder and Keening (along with Wraithguard) to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan. At least I think you destroyed the Heart, since it might not have actually been "destroyed" altogether.

Remember now?

I'm a little fuzzy on some of the timeline - would Dagoth Ur have started spreading blight by the time of ESO, or is that still in the future?

I don't think the blight will have started but he will have obtained enough power to keep the Tribunal from making their pilgrimage to the Heart of Lorkhan if I recall correctly.

So I guess there'd be no ghost fence yet...

Yeah, I want to say the ghost fence is early third era, but I could be wrong about that.

KhajiitiLizard

andreasranasen wrote: »

What I do hope with Vvardenfell is that it will be OPEN. Majority of the maps ingame (except Cyrodiil and Wrothgar) are very cluttered with everything from trees, rocks and monsters. I love Cyrodiils/Wrothgars open space and hope they implement some of that into Vvardenfell.

Because I absolutely hate when you run into a creature in PvE zones every 5ft. Doesn't feel realistic. I just want to enjoy the scenery without being bothered by creatures everywhere.

You never played Morrowind did you? You can't go 2 feet without getting attacked by a cliff racer.

Loralai_907

What I am worried about is them only releasing tiny chunks of DLC's from now on, so maybe a section instead of the entire zone all at once. I need so much more than that lol

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Scaling Vvardenfell to the ESO tamriel map, it does indeed appear nearly half the size of the Morrowind Vvardenfell Map from the single player games, in this game the island will be no bigger then the rift and you probably wont even beable to access the centre of the island where the red mountain is which will make it seem even smaller.

andreasranasen

KhajiitiLizard wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

What I do hope with Vvardenfell is that it will be OPEN. Majority of the maps ingame (except Cyrodiil and Wrothgar) are very cluttered with everything from trees, rocks and monsters. I love Cyrodiils/Wrothgars open space and hope they implement some of that into Vvardenfell.

Because I absolutely hate when you run into a creature in PvE zones every 5ft. Doesn't feel realistic. I just want to enjoy the scenery without being bothered by creatures everywhere.

You never played Morrowind did you? You can't go 2 feet without getting attacked by a cliff racer.

Nope never . I just want enjoy the beautiful nature without getting attacked by a creature every two seconds.

Cinbri

1. During release of ESO it was said that Red Mountain erupted coz of Planemeld and cutted Tribunal connection to Heart, so middle area for sure will big volcano that you can't pass. It means you won't be able to travel from location borders with shortest way unlike other zoens, i.e. it may give feeling of bigger zone.
2. Catacombs beneath Red Mountain as Trial whos main plot is to restore Tribunal's ( )control over Lorkhan's Heart would be most epic Trial ever.

Thevampirenight

Cinbri wrote: »

1. During release of ESO it was said that Red Mountain erupted coz of Planemeld and cutted Tribunal connection to Heart, so middle area for sure will big volcano that you can't pass. It means you won't be able to travel from location borders with shortest way unlike other zoens, i.e. it may give feeling of bigger zone.
2. Catacombs beneath Red Mountain as Trial whos main plot is to restore Tribunal's ( )control over Lorkhan's Heart would be most epic Trial ever.

Its possible that is what will happen. But its possible the tribunal can retake it on there own. At this time, since they have god like power I imagine them being able to handle the lava lol. If Vivec had slept with Molag Bal while headless and some time Later Vivec gives birth to Molag Bals Babies then for sure they can handle the heat. If one can survive headless then one can survive the lava.

Stoopid_Nwah

All I know is that if cliff racers run as rampant as I'm used to, and they continue to make those screeching sounds...I may just lose my mind .

Dark_Claw

Being able to slaughter cliff racers without the frustration of missing nine out of every ten hits despite the fact that my sword is clearly within striking distance would be a dream come true.

Cinbri

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

1. During release of ESO it was said that Red Mountain erupted coz of Planemeld and cutted Tribunal connection to Heart, so middle area for sure will big volcano that you can't pass. It means you won't be able to travel from location borders with shortest way unlike other zoens, i.e. it may give feeling of bigger zone.
2. Catacombs beneath Red Mountain as Trial whos main plot is to restore Tribunal's ( )control over Lorkhan's Heart would be most epic Trial ever.

Its possible that is what will happen. But its possible the tribunal can retake it on there own. At this time, since they have god like power I imagine them being able to handle the lava lol. If Vivec had slept with Molag Bal while headless and some time Later Vivec gives birth to Molag Bals Babies then for sure they can handle the heat. If one can survive headless then one can survive the lava.

Well, Tribunal have those epic powers only on propaganda papers, i.e. myths (remember in Deshaan' main plot that Almalexia couldn't even handle daedras in main Temple). And it might be not that easy to get control over Heart coz: we know that in the past wars between Great Houses were devastating, this include wars for Vvardenfell control, till Tribunal claimed it as their domain; all daedra lords wanna claim Heart for themselves (remember Mehrunes incursion and destroying of Ald'ruhn on the way during Oblivion Crisis); House Dagoth was active even after extinction and was strong enough to participated in conflicts against other Great Houses("Poison Song" vol.); also don't forget idea that promote it and ZOS used in Stonefalls main plot - chimers used volcanos as prisons and volcanos are source of uncommonly strong magickal powers and Red Mountain is not simple volcano [remember Brothers of Strife, I won't forget boss battle vs Balreth in volcano and it can be expanded on entire larger level of Red Mountain as being Trial]. So ZOS can easily get the idea what enemies we will face (remember such unknown pre-eso events like Serpent release, Planemeld of Bal and Dro-m'Athra incursion).

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

All I know is that if cliff racers run as rampant as I'm used to, and they continue to make those screeching sounds...I may just lose my mind .

You can already meet cliff racers in game as non-targetable creatures and they emit this most recognizable sound, so obviously you will meet them in much higher numbers on Vvardenfell. So you can already lose you mind

JD2013

Actually, if you size them up Vvardenfell is closer to two Orsinium landmasses than just one.

Goodness only knows when we will get Vvardenfell though. It's been in the PTS files for a while now ...

exeeter702

JD2013 wrote: »

Actually, if you size them up Vvardenfell is closer to two Orsinium landmasses than just one.

Oh i don't know about that.

altemriel

It would be really awesome if we would for some next DLC get a new province of at least size of Wrothgar. Hew`s Bane and Gold Coast are pretty small compared to Wrothgar!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Stoopid_Nwah

Cinbri wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

1. During release of ESO it was said that Red Mountain erupted coz of Planemeld and cutted Tribunal connection to Heart, so middle area for sure will big volcano that you can't pass. It means you won't be able to travel from location borders with shortest way unlike other zoens, i.e. it may give feeling of bigger zone.
2. Catacombs beneath Red Mountain as Trial whos main plot is to restore Tribunal's ( )control over Lorkhan's Heart would be most epic Trial ever.

Its possible that is what will happen. But its possible the tribunal can retake it on there own. At this time, since they have god like power I imagine them being able to handle the lava lol. If Vivec had slept with Molag Bal while headless and some time Later Vivec gives birth to Molag Bals Babies then for sure they can handle the heat. If one can survive headless then one can survive the lava.

Well, Tribunal have those epic powers only on propaganda papers, i.e. myths (remember in Deshaan' main plot that Almalexia couldn't even handle daedras in main Temple). And it might be not that easy to get control over Heart coz: we know that in the past wars between Great Houses were devastating, this include wars for Vvardenfell control, till Tribunal claimed it as their domain; all daedra lords wanna claim Heart for themselves (remember Mehrunes incursion and destroying of Ald'ruhn on the way during Oblivion Crisis); House Dagoth was active even after extinction and was strong enough to participated in conflicts against other Great Houses("Poison Song" vol.); also don't forget idea that promote it and ZOS used in Stonefalls main plot - chimers used volcanos as prisons and volcanos are source of uncommonly strong magickal powers and Red Mountain is not simple volcano [remember Brothers of Strife, I won't forget boss battle vs Balreth in volcano and it can be expanded on entire larger level of Red Mountain as being Trial]. So ZOS can easily get the idea what enemies we will face (remember such unknown pre-eso events like Serpent release, Planemeld of Bal and Dro-m'Athra incursion).

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

All I know is that if cliff racers run as rampant as I'm used to, and they continue to make those screeching sounds...I may just lose my mind .

You can already meet cliff racers in game as non-targetable creatures and they emit this most recognizable sound, so obviously you will meet them in much higher numbers on Vvardenfell. So you can already lose you mind

I wasn't crazy then! I've played EP since console launch and swore I heard them, but was so confused as nothing obnoxiously pecked away at me! Thank you for clearing that up for me .

opaj

From the mouth of Vivec:

"In the past, the Tribunal made seasonal campaigns to Red Mountain. We slew Dagoth Ur and his kin, though the Heart always revived them in time. Later, when we realized we couldn't destroy them, we created the Ghostfence to contain the threat. These solutions were effective until Dagoth Ur ambushed us and captured Sunder and Keening. Since that time, our fortunes have waned as his increased."

I would love to join one of these pre-Ghostfence seasonal campaigns as a trial.

Altaire

If we could get a huge expanded zone w/ only 1 or 2 ports into it. I'd buy it in a sec. I'd love a place where we can explore and quests are not just a port away.
A place to explore for those like me, who like getting lost in the environment.
My biggest grief w/ ESO is how small the world/zones feel. there are some spots where you can see 2 portals if ya stand on the right hill-top.
For those that like the 'convenience' of rapid transit, don't buy the DLC for this area...

Vaoh

opaj wrote: »

From the mouth of Vivec:

"In the past, the Tribunal made seasonal campaigns to Red Mountain. We slew Dagoth Ur and his kin, though the Heart always revived them in time. Later, when we realized we couldn't destroy them, we created the Ghostfence to contain the threat. These solutions were effective until Dagoth Ur ambushed us and captured Sunder and Keening. Since that time, our fortunes have waned as his increased."

I would love to join one of these pre-Ghostfence seasonal campaigns as a trial.

The more and more I think about it the better it sounds as a trial.

In fact if they don't create Red Mountian into a trial it'd be a HUGE missed opportunity.

James-Wayne

I'm expecting this DLC to hit April 2017 or 2nd qtr after housing which hits 1st qtr... I really want it to be minimal the size of Wrothgar in terms of land mass and questing... We could always get a massive DLC Dwelmer underground maze too!