Questions about Bashing (for upcoming update sets)

Savos_Saren

I was looking at the new Knight's Errant set and I like the fact that it adds a little damage to One-Hand and Shield abilities. It probably won't be the most popular set for end-game content... but I like to play around with the new stuff. My questions are:

- Is Bashing (both regular bashing and the 1H/S abilities) based off of Stamina AND weapon power... or just Stamina?
- Do Bashing Enchants (for jewelry) stack? One Legendary Bashing Enchant increases the power of your bash by 288ish. If I use three on my jewelry- would it increase to 864?
- Would three Bashing Enchants be better than three Weapon Power Enchants IF bashing abilities are based off stamina and weapon damage?

I always appreciate actual numbers if anyone's run them. Thanks!

Savos_Saren

Well, damn. I just did some testing with two simple jewelry enchantments of Bashing. Guess what? They ONLY increase the damage of your normal bash. Not your bash abilities. So, Power Bash and Shield Charge are out of the question. And, with the stamina cost of normal bashing- it basically makes those glyphs completely useless. There went that theorycraft.

Who walks around just normal-bashing everything? Thanks for a useless glyph that doesn't apply to any bash abilities.

The_Duke

Actually bashing is a huge part of my burst damage. I run a stamblade 1h and shield and I use light attack, animation cancel, suprise attack, animation cancel, bash. Its done real fast and puts out lots of damage.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Not sure if it matters to you but in vDSA, you do A LOT of bashing as a tank, so those reduced cost enchants are quite useful.

Savos_Saren

@The_Duke @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Do either of you use a Bash enchant on your jewelry?

The_Duke

jaburns wrote: »

@The_Duke @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Do either of you use a Bash enchant on your jewelry?

No. It's not worth the slot. As a pve tank you want block reduction or cost reduction of stam or mag. As a PVE build you want weapon or spell damage glyphs.

Ahzek

Fun fact, bash damage scales of max stam, weapon damage and max health.

The_Duke

Ahzek wrote: »

Fun fact, bash damage scales of max stam, weapon damage and max health.

I didnt know about max health.

Waffennacht

How much damage does bashing do?

Ive been running a SnB dps build for PvP and would like to know.

Savos_Saren

The_Duke wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

@The_Duke @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Do either of you use a Bash enchant on your jewelry?

No. It's not worth the slot. As a pve tank you want block reduction or cost reduction of stam or mag. As a PVE build you want weapon or spell damage glyphs.

@The_Duke
Exactly my point, bud. Zeni needs to combine it with the reduced cost of block glyph or make it apply to all bash abilities. No body uses this glyph.

I'm still waiting for the day that Zeni makes a Master's Shield with a combined Shield Play and Bashing Enchantment... and adds the prismatic enchantment.

Bash really relies on max health, too? Do you have any numbers crunched on that one?

The_Duke

Waffennacht wrote: »

How much damage does bashing do?

Ive been running a SnB dps build for PvP and would like to know.

My stamblade tank at 3100 weapon damage 34000 stam hits for 4000 non crit.

Waffennacht

The_Duke wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

How much damage does bashing do?

Ive been running a SnB dps build for PvP and would like to know.

My stamblade tank at 3100 weapon damage 34000 stam hits for 4000 non crit.

@The_Duke thank you, exactly what I was lookin for. I guess I could wait till I get home... but... any idea on the stam cost?

The_Duke

Waffennacht wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

How much damage does bashing do?

Ive been running a SnB dps build for PvP and would like to know.

My stamblade tank at 3100 weapon damage 34000 stam hits for 4000 non crit.

@The_Duke thank you, exactly what I was lookin for. I guess I could wait till I get home... but... any idea on the stam cost?

1100 stam cost for me.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

jaburns wrote: »

@The_Duke @Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Do either of you use a Bash enchant on your jewelry?

Oh I thought you meant the reduced cost of bashing enchant, the one that reduces block cost as well. I use 2 of those.

Sleep724

They should add increase bash damage to the reduce cost of bash in the champion tree.

NoMoreChillies

Bash was super strong at launch, then the QQ came

hrothbern

It does not scale from any stat pool
It only scales from Weapon Damage
and ofc the S&B passive doubles the damage, Mighty can add 25% and any other damage buff

The Bash damage increase Jewelry enchant is currently a placeholder imo, waiting for a better use.
Because using a Jewelry weapon damage enchant is more effective

BTW
The base cost of shield bash are 2,160
from the S&B passive Deadly Bash you get already 40% cost reduction.
If you already use block cost reduction enchants, you get 300 bash cost reduction as well