Rubedo leather - the ultimate achievement

bee_tiswasnot

Just spent a day building up a stock of this stuff. Even when you know where and how to get it, it requires extreeeeeme patience. Several times I fell asleep while fighting the 300th imp/eschatare/whatever, they all blend together (-:

I think ZOS might think about rebalancing this. If I want to make heavy armour, I drag my butt around Wrothgar/Hew's Bane or wherever, pouncing on red nodes. If I see a node, I get a minimum of 3 ore just like that. If I want wood, the same deal applies, I just sashay over and pick it. However, if I want leather, I have to fight stuff, which takes time and only produces a single lousy scrap every other time. Now I am very brave and I have an unbelievably large sword and all (show you some time), but man, it takes forever to get leather compared to anything else. If you compare the harvesting time per unit, leather takes, at a guess, about 3-4 times as long to get per drop, and then you only get ⅓ of the amount. My vote is a rebalance, doubling the amount of leather per drop and making it a certainty that lions, imps etc always drop it. Otherwise I will fall asleep killing the little darlings. I would feel bad about zapping them all if I didn't really want their produce (-:

Anyone else agree with this assessment?

SirAndy

bebynnag

The traps from surveys were a step in the right direction, but **a minimum of** 1 guaranteed scrap from each mob would be a huge leap!

edt**

newtinmpls

bee_tiswasnot wrote: »

if I want leather, I have to fight stuff, which takes time and only produces a single lousy scrap every other time.

I have really sickeningly good luck with rubedo (apparently to counterbalance the fact that I've found a grand total of about 7 bits of nirn in two years).

What I struggle with is ancestor silk

disintegr8

I have never bothered farming for Rubedo, I simply buy it all of the time. It is really annoying that while I can keep myself supplied in most other top level materials in my normal course of activities, I never have enough Rubedo when I need it.

geonsocal

newtinmpls wrote: »

What I struggle with is ancestor silk

ancestor silk blends in really well with the environment (more brown stuff)...for whatever reason I tend to see it much easier when the environments at dusk and dawn?...no way I'd spend any points on keen eye...

when I farm- i don't bother with mammoths or any other creatures I can't 2 or 3 shot...I get all happy when I run across some goats and dagger backs

bee_tiswasnot

puffytheslayer wrote: »

The traps from surveys were a step in the right direction, but **a minimum of** 1 guaranteed scrap from each mob would be a huge leap!

edt**

A quick survey of this morning's stroll around Hew's Bane. Excludes runestones. I killed every lion I saw.

16 iron ore
44 rubedite ore
26 ancestor silk
27 rubedo hide scraps
43 rough ruby ash

These figures bear comparison with Wrothgar and elsewhere—at a glance it doesn't look too bad, although you are only getting 60% of the rubedo hide that you do of rubedite. This is where it gets very interesting, because ancestor silk appears in roughly the same ratio.

The bottom line is that clothier mats aren't as common as smithing or woodworking ones, which is a pain where the ancestor silk is concerned, but quite a bad bug when you get to thinking about the rubedo hide—since only about 60% of qualifying animals drop rubedo, it pans out that you have to kill ten lions in order to get 6 rubedo scraps.

By comparison, with my passives, I never get less than three rubedite, frequently 4 and sometimes 6 per pick of a lode. Assuming that rubedo-dropping creatures and ore sites are equally common (which appears to be the case), that means that I have to kill 6 lions, or whatever, to get the same amount of rubedo leather scraps as I would get in a 10 second pick of a risk-free rubedite ore node. The kicker is that even using ult, zapping 6 lions takes one hell of a lot longer than picking one ore site.

The odd thing is that this only seems to affect these high level mats—lower down the chain it isn't a problem, or not so I have noticed. My conclusion is that this got missed somewhere along the line and I think that ZOS need to rebalance this one. Looking at the figures, it would take quite a radical change in rubedo leather drop frequency to make the investment of time spent gathering it equivalent to that needed for rubedite ore. The other thought that occurs to me is that if ZOS don't fix this, prices for crafted ancestor silk and particularly rubedo leather sets need a radical adjustment upwards, to reflect the rarity of the materials.

I rests me case, yer hanner.

Zaldan

simple solution, make scraps a harvestable resource that spawns on the ground same as other resources, produced from left overs of predators.

Soella

Honestly, I always have tons of rubedo leather as leftovers of the normal play, and need to go farming if I need something else.

Waffennacht

Farming leather via killin enemies is a pain.

I suggest goin old school. They updated IC.

It Now takes me 30 min at most to get 5k TVs, that's 100 leather... Way faster than grinding

Thrasher91604

IC sewers for the quickest gathering.

Jciampi

Farming rubedo is rough. Definitely takes time. Hurts even worse when I have the champion point into 10% chance of pulling a double harvest yield from a node. So I can get more ore and wood and light armor material. But not medium.

One day in Craglorn I was routinely hitting that 10%. RNG God's loved me that day. 6-8 ore or wood at a time.

Vaoh

Purchase stacks with Tel Var

10K Tel Var --> one stack of Rubedite, Rubedo Leather, or Ancestor Silk

If you know what you're doing, that is extremely easy!

Synfaer

Interestingly, goats have the same rubedo drop rate as any other hide bearing beast.

RocDonald

Synfaer wrote: »

Interestingly, goats have the same rubedo drop rate as any other hide bearing beast.

Yep, the razorbacks in the Gold coast also tend to have a good drop rate as well. I've gotten as many as 3 pieces from one pig

medusasfolly

I have three characters I do top tier writs with. I skip the clothier writs on the days I get the leather writs. The resulting clothing surveys with the animal traps on the remaining days have been quite rewarding.

That and I deconstruct all rubedo armour with the character that has the highest unravelling skill, including ornate.

cjhhickman39

Don't forget the little mud crabs good drops and great for filling soul gemstone

Brrrofski

Kill skevers and lions around hew's bane. You one shot them, doesn't make much time.

bee_tiswasnot

Vaoh wrote: »

Purchase stacks with Tel Var

10K Tel Var --> one stack of Rubedite, Rubedo Leather, or Ancestor Silk

If you know what you're doing, that is extremely easy!

This is true, but what about players who don't PVP? I think this is an oversight by ZOS, because it is the only crafting material which is so tough to get. It is like the foobar which means that Columbine more or less doesn't exist in the Daggerfall starter zones, where Namira's Rot is fairly easy to find—while the reverse is the case in Ebonheart Pact starter zones. I can't think that that one is intentional, either, because it isn't to anyone's advantage except for Cadwell quest players.

bee_tiswasnot

Synfaer wrote: »

Interestingly, goats have the same rubedo drop rate as any other hide bearing beast.

That I did not know, thanks. Shame that Alik'r beasts don't drop rubedo, or that place with all the goats would make Tamriel's best leather spot!

bee_tiswasnot

Waffennacht wrote: »

Farming leather via killin enemies is a pain.

I suggest goin old school. They updated IC.

It Now takes me 30 min at most to get 5k TVs, that's 100 leather... Way faster than grinding

I agree that it is by far the best way to get it right now, but I don't think ZOS planned it this way, somehow!

bee_tiswasnot

disintegr8 wrote: »

I have never bothered farming for Rubedo, I simply buy it all of the time. It is really annoying that while I can keep myself supplied in most other top level materials in my normal course of activities, I never have enough Rubedo when I need it.

Good advice, but this stuff is much rarer in the wild than it should be by comparison to other top tier materials. ZOS, are you out there reading this???

Synfaer

bee_tiswasnot wrote: »

Synfaer wrote: »

Interestingly, goats have the same rubedo drop rate as any other hide bearing beast.

That I did not know, thanks. Shame that Alik'r beasts don't drop rubedo, or that place with all the goats would make Tamriel's best leather spot!

They will soon....

Diminish

geonsocal wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

What I struggle with is ancestor silk

...no way I'd spend any points on keen eye...

As a crafter, I personally find putting 2 points into keen eye for all but enchanting well worth the investment. If you struggle with Ancestor silk, even 1 lousy point in keen eye for that would probably make a world of difference with how well it blends into the environment. Just my two cents.

bee_tiswasnot

Waffennacht wrote: »

Farming leather via killin enemies is a pain.

I suggest goin old school. They updated IC.

It Now takes me 30 min at most to get 5k TVs, that's 100 leather... Way faster than grinding

I agree that it is by far the best way to get it right now, but I don't think ZOS planned it this way, somehow!

olsborg

Agreed

Stopnaggin

Ok since I have enough rubedo leather it doesn't bother me to tell you all, Farm in old Orsinium if you haven't figured it out yet. There is a loop in the first part of the dungeon with harpies and bears. I get about 300-400 scraps an hour, and that's with other people farming or trying to level. Way easier than doing it overland. I usually farm it in the mornings when nobody is on get tons of it. Just follow the circle you see everyone else following.

altemriel

bee_tiswasnot wrote: »

Just spent a day building up a stock of this stuff. Even when you know where and how to get it, it requires extreeeeeme patience. Several times I fell asleep while fighting the 300th imp/eschatare/whatever, they all blend together (-:

I think ZOS might think about rebalancing this. If I want to make heavy armour, I drag my butt around Wrothgar/Hew's Bane or wherever, pouncing on red nodes. If I see a node, I get a minimum of 3 ore just like that. If I want wood, the same deal applies, I just sashay over and pick it. However, if I want leather, I have to fight stuff, which takes time and only produces a single lousy scrap every other time. Now I am very brave and I have an unbelievably large sword and all (show you some time), but man, it takes forever to get leather compared to anything else. If you compare the harvesting time per unit, leather takes, at a guess, about 3-4 times as long to get per drop, and then you only get ⅓ of the amount. My vote is a rebalance, doubling the amount of leather per drop and making it a certainty that lions, imps etc always drop it. Otherwise I will fall asleep killing the little darlings. I would feel bad about zapping them all if I didn't really want their produce (-:

Anyone else agree with this assessment?

yes!!

Carbonised

- Rubedo is pretty tied with Silk and Ingots on MM prices, showing that there is no fundamental lacking of leathers in the game (Ingots are actually sold for higher than Rubedo on PC/EU atm).

- You do realise that while not getting a 100 % drop from mobs, a single mob can drop up to 4 leathers at a time, though it's usually in the 1-3 amount range

- There are plenty of ways to farm Rubedo, easier than silks, wood and ingots (someone already mentioned Old Ors)

Thus, there is no rubedo problem, if you think there is, it is a L2F issue (learn to farm).

kylewwefan

.....how do you make that little 1/3 symbol?

AverageJo3Gam3r

Wait for 1T when you can farm rubedo from anywhere in the map. I can already think of a few spots that will make nice rubedo/wax farms.