Rewarding VMA

schroed360

Hi so as someone who is since a few run starting to feel the pain of the RNG of vma and the fact that there is no more token for vma thread on the first page i decide to create one.

Just to talk about how we would like that token or other alternative method to work.
Of course we all know that this is just à dream because...reason.

So I have a dream:

The last chest grant token.

-For a nma it grant 1 token( since there s a big thread on that I want to be kind with them^^)

- for vma with no score : 10 tokens
- score <100 k : 15 tokens
- 100k< score< 200k : 20 tokens
- 200k< score< 300k : 25 tokens
- 300k< score< 400k : 30 tokens
- 400k< score< 500k : 50 tokens
- score> 500k : 100 tokens
- flawless run for the first time on à given character : 500 tokens.

With those tokens you could buy:
- for 100 a box containing all stamina weapon
- for 100 a box containing all magika weapon
- for 300 a box containing a fixed weapon ( obviously one for each type) but random trait.
- for 500( or 1000 subject to debate) specific weapon with specific trait.

Of course for those who master the arena it will be quick to get what you want. So no need to run it ad noseum like zos want...except for leaderboard. So maybe the reward of leaderboard should be rework ... Gold, gold temper....

What do you dream about?

DRXHarbinger

I dream of it being smart. So a toon with more magika than stam gets a staff. Vice versa for stam.

Plus it would prevent stam noobs from running it on a sorc amd make them play it on a stam for sharp 2h weapons they clearly don't deserve.

Joysheeped

While I do like to see a token system to be implemented, 1000 tokens for a BiS weapon feels a bit too easy to me. Still, I do think this is a good direction so have a nice dream OP XD

Qbiken

I dream that casual will stop posting stupid ideas on how maelstrom arena shall be "fixed" (This rant is not 100% directed to this post so nothing personal). I can see a token sytem being implemented in the future, but please: make it not include normal maelstrom. No tokens from normal maelstrom. normal and vet aren´t even in the same universe when it comes to how diffiult they are, not comperable.

Riga_Mortis

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

I dream of it being smart. So a toon with more magika than stam gets a staff. Vice versa for stam.

Plus it would prevent stam noobs from running it on a sorc amd make them play it on a stam for sharp 2h weapons they clearly don't deserve.

Didnt zos say we are getting smart loot with UD12??

Joysheeped

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

I dream of it being smart. So a toon with more magika than stam gets a staff. Vice versa for stam.

Plus it would prevent stam noobs from running it on a sorc amd make them play it on a stam for sharp 2h weapons they clearly don't deserve.

I won't mind getting a Master Restoration Staff on a stamina character though so that I can give it to my healer or the healer in group XD

schroed360

Qbiken wrote: »

I dream that casual will stop posting stupid ideas on how maelstrom arena shall be "fixed" (This rant is not 100% directed to this post so nothing personal). I can see a token sytem being implemented in the future, but please: make it not include normal maelstrom. No tokens from normal maelstrom. normal and vet aren´t even in the same universe when it comes to how diffiult they are, not comperable.

Dude sounds you should have post that in the other thread asking for weapon in normal. Or maybe read à bit more carefully since here that part was ironic. If we go for 1000 tokens for specific weapon that means 500 hundred hours of normal ( assuming 30 mn run) against 5 hours for someone who " mastered" the arena. The irony is that 500 hours is à lot more than what you need to be able to do 500 k score...

schroed360

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

I dream of it being smart. So a toon with more magika than stam gets a staff. Vice versa for stam.

Plus it would prevent stam noobs from running it on a sorc amd make them play it on a stam for sharp 2h weapons they clearly don't deserve.

Mmm agree. So magika tokens and stamina tokens that are bind on character! Awesome! ( feel i could be flamed for this one).

schroed360

Joysheeped wrote: »

While I do like to see a token system to be implemented, 1000 tokens for a BiS weapon feels a bit too easy to me. Still, I do think this is a good direction so have a nice dream OP XD

Yeah i know it s a bit too fast. But I m under the impression that 500k scrore is a threshold ( variable depending on class and magika or stamina) . I think that at this threshold you have " win" the arena that at this point is the beginning of competition against other player or against ourselves instead of against RNG.

DRXHarbinger

Dazza1968 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

I dream of it being smart. So a toon with more magika than stam gets a staff. Vice versa for stam.

Plus it would prevent stam noobs from running it on a sorc amd make them play it on a stam for sharp 2h weapons they clearly don't deserve.

Didnt zos say we are getting smart loot with UD12??

Not like that. That means no more briarheart resto staff etc. Possibly means no more swords of the Sun and Warlock though. They haven't been clear on that one.

MaxwellC

I actually like that system as it encourages players to perform better in order to get the maelstrom weapons they desire faster.

idk

How many vMA token threads have we had this week? I know I saw a new one yesterday.

LegendaryArcher

schroed360 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I dream that casual will stop posting stupid ideas on how maelstrom arena shall be "fixed" (This rant is not 100% directed to this post so nothing personal). I can see a token sytem being implemented in the future, but please: make it not include normal maelstrom. No tokens from normal maelstrom. normal and vet aren´t even in the same universe when it comes to how diffiult they are, not comperable.

Dude sounds you should have post that in the other thread asking for weapon in normal. Or maybe read à bit more carefully since here that part was ironic. If we go for 1000 tokens for specific weapon that means 500 hundred hours of normal ( assuming 30 mn run) against 5 hours for someone who " mastered" the arena. The irony is that 500 hours is à lot more than what you need to be able to do 500 k score...

Ironically, I have spent somewhere around 500 hours in vMA. And I have only seen one Inferno Staff. Powered.
Many spent 1000+ hours in there without any weapons they wanted. I know many players that quit ESO just for this reason, more than 20 of them are now in my Black Desert guild. Skilled and competitive players want to stay competitive. If they are gated away from staying competitive by something they have zero control over for too long, those players give up and switch to a better game.

BiS weapons should be accessible to skilled, competitive players and not be gated by ridiculous, unrealistic RNG, especially since it was much easier and realistic to get usable vMA weapons before DB. This is just not fair.

We need a Token System.

@ZOS_Finn

Qbiken

schroed360 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I dream that casual will stop posting stupid ideas on how maelstrom arena shall be "fixed" (This rant is not 100% directed to this post so nothing personal). I can see a token sytem being implemented in the future, but please: make it not include normal maelstrom. No tokens from normal maelstrom. normal and vet aren´t even in the same universe when it comes to how diffiult they are, not comperable.

Dude sounds you should have post that in the other thread asking for weapon in normal. Or maybe read à bit more carefully since here that part was ironic. If we go for 1000 tokens for specific weapon that means 500 hundred hours of normal ( assuming 30 mn run) against 5 hours for someone who " mastered" the arena. The irony is that 500 hours is à lot more than what you need to be able to do 500 k score...

I apoligize for my rude statement in that case. Seen some really stupid posts about msa lately. My bad

Flybeck

I think it would be nice if the leaderboard rewards trait table was cut down. The tempering allow really isn't worth it in my opinion. Getting a Decisive 2h? Really? Lol. Token would be a great addition to but I can't see them adding it because Zos.

schroed360

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

How many vMA token threads have we had this week? I know I saw a new one yesterday.

In my opinion there will never be too much vma token threads until they do something with those sh#.$*!! trait.
But actually the thread is more about dreaming of what it could be in order to soften the pain of getting your 16-17 axe/ dagger with no one being sharpened...and the sadness to know that it will probably stay like that until you just abandon any hope and your character try to put an end to his life( being overly dramatic is intended and must not be taken seriously).

Qbiken

Token system would be fine, as long as you only get tokens while doing veteran maelstrom arena. No tokens on normal, unless they make normal a lot harder.

schroed360

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

schroed360 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I dream that casual will stop posting stupid ideas on how maelstrom arena shall be "fixed" (This rant is not 100% directed to this post so nothing personal). I can see a token sytem being implemented in the future, but please: make it not include normal maelstrom. No tokens from normal maelstrom. normal and vet aren´t even in the same universe when it comes to how diffiult they are, not comperable.

Dude sounds you should have post that in the other thread asking for weapon in normal. Or maybe read à bit more carefully since here that part was ironic. If we go for 1000 tokens for specific weapon that means 500 hundred hours of normal ( assuming 30 mn run) against 5 hours for someone who " mastered" the arena. The irony is that 500 hours is à lot more than what you need to be able to do 500 k score...

Ironically, I have spent somewhere around 500 hours in vMA. And I have only seen one Inferno Staff. Powered.
Many spent 1000+ hours in there without any weapons they wanted. I know many players that quit ESO just for this reason, more than 20 of them are now in my Black Desert guild. Skilled and competitive players want to stay competitive. If they are gated away from staying competitive by something they have zero control over for too long, those players give up and switch to a better game.

BiS weapons should be accessible to skilled, competitive players and not be gated by ridiculous, unrealistic RNG, especially since it was much easier and realistic to get usable vMA weapons before DB. This is just not fair.

We need a Tok
@ZOS_Finn

Yeah i know you have make a lot of good vma token thread and i have read them.

I totally agree with your point since i m late on this. I played since beta and took a six month break just one week after orsinium ( was just able to get to the seventh boss at that time after so much time that I m ashamed to remember) then after my come back in may i worked on the arena and just had the time to run it fully 4-5 time before DB rolls out... In the beginning i was not really bothered since the ultimate goal for me was not gear but the flawless tittle and was sure that it was gonna take me so much run that I would have had all weapon before that.
Thing is i get my flawless two week ago and no i don t have sharpened dagger/ axe. But i can t complain since i had more luck with magika weapon and i m not really à competitive player since rl constraint today forbid me to compete. I m just glad to compete against myself. And in that regard vma design is great for me.

I suppose i ll take à little break and will come back to work on flawless on a magika character...( that was my plan but magika pots price had skyrocked since then) like this maybe i ll get some sharpened stamina weapon!!

schroed360

Qbiken wrote: »

schroed360 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I dream that casual will stop posting stupid ideas on how maelstrom arena shall be "fixed" (This rant is not 100% directed to this post so nothing personal). I can see a token sytem being implemented in the future, but please: make it not include normal maelstrom. No tokens from normal maelstrom. normal and vet aren´t even in the same universe when it comes to how diffiult they are, not comperable.

Dude sounds you should have post that in the other thread asking for weapon in normal. Or maybe read à bit more carefully since here that part was ironic. If we go for 1000 tokens for specific weapon that means 500 hundred hours of normal ( assuming 30 mn run) against 5 hours for someone who " mastered" the arena. The irony is that 500 hours is à lot more than what you need to be able to do 500 k score...

I apoligize for rude my statement in that case. Seen some really stupid posts about msa lately. My bad

Yeah i know . i just need to look at the number of comment in this thread against the number in the one asking for weapon to drop in normal or in the other one asking for them to be sellable to understand your anger... Actually that s the read of those that make me wanna post this one. Usually i just read and never post but i was surprised to see how many poeple think that mweapon will magicaly rise their dps...