Magicka DK discussion thread

subtlezeroub17_ESO

Since we are kind of a tight knit small community compared to other classes and an entirely different beast compared to our poisonous stamina brethren I thought it would be fitting for magDK mains to discuss the class as a whole.

I call us a class of our own since we are so different from stam DK and the other classes by a mile.

Lets be clear first:

-It can be about pve or pvp

-Please no whining or turning this into a complaint thread

Lets go!

AverageJo3Gam3r

Assuming you mean in PvP. The weaknesses of the class have been discussed at length. Probably don't need another complaint thread

So...did anyone spot anything good in the new 1T sets that would beat out the standard heavy kags+SotS+bloodspawn build?

subtlezeroub17_ESO

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Assuming you mean in PvP. The weaknesses of the class have been discussed at length. Probably don't need another complaint thread

So...did anyone spot anything good in the new 1T sets that would beat out the standard heavy kags+SotS+bloodspawn build?

Could be pvp or pve. Oh and this is certainly not a complaint thread. It is discussion only. No whining.

subtlezeroub17_ESO

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Assuming you mean in PvP. The weaknesses of the class have been discussed at length. Probably don't need another complaint thread

So...did anyone spot anything good in the new 1T sets that would beat out the standard heavy kags+SotS+bloodspawn build?

Anyway, as far as 1t goes, I had hoped the illambri monster set would work for mag dks but the math shows that it wouldnt be optimal. Sooo I'll probably be back to the valkyn skoria.

But I gotta say that meteor shower and storm cloud is so amazing! Sorc are gonna have a ball with that one.

sirrmattus

I just wish our dots would damage shields and enemy players couldn't purge them

BlackMadara

sirrmattus wrote: »

I just wish our dots would damage shields and enemy players couldn't purge them

Pretty sure they do damage shields. This was added a few patches ago. As for dots being purged, I would like purging abilities to cost more or remove less.

Anti_Virus

This is now a nerf DK thread.

Bam_Bam

I'm really looking forward to 1T - there's an armour set going to be available in the "Vaults of Madness" (where/whatever they are! - never done PvP dungeons lol) called "Rattle Cage" or "Rattlecage". I'm currently enjoying wearing heavy armour so this looks pretty tastey..

Armour: Rattlecage
Source: Vaults of Madness
Bonus:
(2 items) Adds 1027 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 124 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 124 Spell Damage
(5 items) Gain Major Sorcery at all times, increasing your Spell Damage by 20%. Adds 97 Spell Damage

Marque

There is a Stonefalls overland set that seems pretty interesting. It gives max health, spell damage, and spell critical, and the five piece grants minor heroism while in combat.

Bam_Bam

Marque wrote: »

There is a Stonefalls overland set that seems pretty interesting. It gives max health, spell damage, and spell critical, and the five piece grants minor heroism while in combat.

Stop teasing! Tell me more

Bam_Bam

I noticed (new to DK BTW) that we don't have an execute. I think we have nice damagey skills but it would be ace to have a proper execute. I think flame whip and its morphs would be pretty cool for that. Or maybe something else?

Marque

@Baranthus This is the image Paulington posted in his datamined sets thread. (Don't know how to quote from another thread.) Different pieces will drop from dolmens, delves, and world bosses in Stonefalls next update.

As far as an execute goes, I don't think magicka dk really needs one if other things get worked on.

pretzl

In terms of PvE, mDKs are one of the best magicka classes currently and will only get better with the next patch. No doubt we're top of the magicka food chain in U12! Chains is too vital in a raid, Skoria is getting buffed and we have a wider array of sets to choose from.
mDKs are already pulling great DPS numbers in trials and it'll only get better from here boys. Sad it's in such a bad place in PvP...

And to hopefully finish the execute discussion as fast as possible; we don't need one. Really.
We're already hands down the best class in terms of sustained DPS. No class can keep their DPS up as well as we can - and it's among the highest already. Adding an execute to that is NOT NEEDED.
NBs have burst + execute but low sustained damage. Magplars have some sustained damage and a great execute. Sorcs have good sustained damage and the power of being extremely good while remaining ranged, but a terrible (until >18%) execute. mDKs pulled the longest straw as far as I'm concerned.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Shalk looks worse than tavas favor, but rattle cage might be interesting. More spell damage than kags and frees up a bar slot by not having to run structured entropy. Recovery would be low pairing it with SotS though...

RoyalPink06

Kinda new to the class myself. I rolled a dunmer dragonknight but kinda don't really know what sets to put her in. Running 5 heavy 2 light (probably should be the other way around, but I'm a sucker for heavy armor and I like being less squishy I guess), a mix of Julianos and Magnus at the moment since I doubt i'll ever get any monster sets. For weapons I'm using a destruction staff as the main, not sure yet what to back bar. She has 515 CP but not sure where best to distribute.

Unfortunately at work so I can't post stats, but she could do much better in terms of damage output. I mean, she has owned everything in solo-land so far, but having less than 2000 (probably like 1500) damage is not enough for end-game stuff. I just don't know how to get her there.

I would love some input from pro magDKs

subtlezeroub17_ESO

I like the heavy armor pieces but I just would hate to lose the 5 piece light armor bonuses. Currently running 5 L (head, shoulders, hands, waist, feet) 2 H (chest and pants).

AddiZ

My story as a pvp and pve magica DK

I do not use macros so i guess im just lacking in dps!

I try my best to do good dps, i use 6-7 skills during fights to gain just under 20k dps. After long fights my fingers hurt from swapping and using so many skills!

Templars can out dps me with 1 skill
Nightblades can out dps me with 1 skill
Sorcerers can out dps me with 1 skill

For PvP its even worse

Nightblades macro kill me in under a second
Templars i gan get down to 10% then they push 1 button and heal them to full and clean dots
Sorecs jump around me and dissapear in a sec if they are in danger

Maby i just suck at this game or someting!

subtlezeroub17_ESO

AddiZ wrote: »

My story as a pvp and pve magica DK

I do not use macros so i guess im just lacking in dps!

I try my best to do good dps, i use 6-7 skills during fights to gain just under 20k dps. After long fights my fingers hurt from swapping and using so many skills!

Templars can out dps me with 1 skill
Nightblades can out dps me with 1 skill
Sorcerers can out dps me with 1 skill

For PvP its even worse

Nightblades macro kill me in under a second
Templars i gan get down to 10% then they push 1 button and heal them to full and clean dots
Sorecs jump around me and dissapear in a sec if they are in danger

Maby i just suck at this game or someting!

I cant say I'm a dk guru since I'm only just getting into the game 2 months ago, but pve dps is mostly gear. Especially for a dk.

One of the things that I hear is extremely important is the valkyn skoria set. The passive has so much synergy with magdks its not even funny. In addition the right set bonus is important too. Silks of the sun is a popular set.

pretzl

AddiZ wrote: »

My story as a pvp and pve magica DK

I do not use macros so i guess im just lacking in dps!

I try my best to do good dps, i use 6-7 skills during fights to gain just under 20k dps. After long fights my fingers hurt from swapping and using so many skills!

Templars can out dps me with 1 skill
Nightblades can out dps me with 1 skill
Sorcerers can out dps me with 1 skill

For PvP its even worse

Nightblades macro kill me in under a second
Templars i gan get down to 10% then they push 1 button and heal them to full and clean dots
Sorecs jump around me and dissapear in a sec if they are in danger

Maby i just suck at this game or someting!

I'm not using any macros and I'm consistently between 30-40k DPS in any content (vet trials mostly). It's all about gear, a solid rotation and knowing how and when to use which skills and gear.

Xvorg

Baranthus wrote: »

I'm really looking forward to 1T - there's an armour set going to be available in the "Vaults of Madness" (where/whatever they are! - never done PvP dungeons lol) called "Rattle Cage" or "Rattlecage". I'm currently enjoying wearing heavy armour so this looks pretty tastey..

Armour: Rattlecage
Source: Vaults of Madness
Bonus:
(2 items) Adds 1027 Maximum Health
(3 items) Adds 124 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 124 Spell Damage
(5 items) Gain Major Sorcery at all times, increasing your Spell Damage by 20%. Adds 97 Spell Damage

Major sorc/Brutality < Minor Berserk/minor force. Stacking spell or wpn dmg is an indirect way of boosting dmg, then it is way better go for straight dmg. That's why sets like velidreth or viper sting are BiS

AddiZ

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

AddiZ wrote: »

My story as a pvp and pve magica DK

I do not use macros so i guess im just lacking in dps!

I try my best to do good dps, i use 6-7 skills during fights to gain just under 20k dps. After long fights my fingers hurt from swapping and using so many skills!

Templars can out dps me with 1 skill
Nightblades can out dps me with 1 skill
Sorcerers can out dps me with 1 skill

For PvP its even worse

Nightblades macro kill me in under a second
Templars i gan get down to 10% then they push 1 button and heal them to full and clean dots
Sorecs jump around me and dissapear in a sec if they are in danger

Maby i just suck at this game or someting!

I cant say I'm a dk guru since I'm only just getting into the game 2 months ago, but pve dps is mostly gear. Especially for a dk.

One of the things that I hear is extremely important is the valkyn skoria set. The passive has so much synergy with magdks its not even funny. In addition the right set bonus is important too. Silks of the sun is a popular set.

I just got my sun set to 5 pice yeasterday so i guess i will not suck so muck anymore soon, can i ask ur rotation

AddiZ

pretzl wrote: »

AddiZ wrote: »

My story as a pvp and pve magica DK

I do not use macros so i guess im just lacking in dps!

I try my best to do good dps, i use 6-7 skills during fights to gain just under 20k dps. After long fights my fingers hurt from swapping and using so many skills!

Templars can out dps me with 1 skill
Nightblades can out dps me with 1 skill
Sorcerers can out dps me with 1 skill

For PvP its even worse

Nightblades macro kill me in under a second
Templars i gan get down to 10% then they push 1 button and heal them to full and clean dots
Sorecs jump around me and dissapear in a sec if they are in danger

Maby i just suck at this game or someting!

I'm not using any macros and I'm consistently between 30-40k DPS in any content (vet trials mostly). It's all about gear, a solid rotation and knowing how and when to use which skills and gear.

can i ask ur rotation?

pretzl

AddiZ wrote: »

pretzl wrote: »

AddiZ wrote: »

My story as a pvp and pve magica DK

I do not use macros so i guess im just lacking in dps!

I try my best to do good dps, i use 6-7 skills during fights to gain just under 20k dps. After long fights my fingers hurt from swapping and using so many skills!

Templars can out dps me with 1 skill
Nightblades can out dps me with 1 skill
Sorcerers can out dps me with 1 skill

For PvP its even worse

Nightblades macro kill me in under a second
Templars i gan get down to 10% then they push 1 button and heal them to full and clean dots
Sorecs jump around me and dissapear in a sec if they are in danger

Maby i just suck at this game or someting!

I'm not using any macros and I'm consistently between 30-40k DPS in any content (vet trials mostly). It's all about gear, a solid rotation and knowing how and when to use which skills and gear.

can i ask ur rotation?

Check my signature for my build on TF It's in there

Toast_STS

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Assuming you mean in PvP. The weaknesses of the class have been discussed at length. Probably don't need another complaint thread

So...did anyone spot anything good in the new 1T sets that would beat out the standard heavy kags+SotS+bloodspawn build?

I was hoping grothdar and elf bane would work together and be a cool tanky combo for PvP but they do not work from my testing on PTS =(





I have created a thread about it here if you want to know more or comment on it so it gets bumped up and noticed by the devs. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/290827/elf-bane-and-grothdar/p1?new=1

Bandit1215

RoyalPink06 wrote: »

Kinda new to the class myself. I rolled a dunmer dragonknight but kinda don't really know what sets to put her in. Running 5 heavy 2 light (probably should be the other way around, but I'm a sucker for heavy armor and I like being less squishy I guess), a mix of Julianos and Magnus at the moment since I doubt i'll ever get any monster sets. For weapons I'm using a destruction staff as the main, not sure yet what to back bar. She has 515 CP but not sure where best to distribute.

Unfortunately at work so I can't post stats, but she could do much better in terms of damage output. I mean, she has owned everything in solo-land so far, but having less than 2000 (probably like 1500) damage is not enough for end-game stuff. I just don't know how to get her there.

I would love some input from pro magDKs

I don't mean to sound offensive, but how do you not have monster helms at 515 CP??

Lokryn

One thing I see other mDKs doing is having both inner light and Flames of Oblivion on the same bar. I realize they have different secondary effects (one gives max magicka and the other does periodic dmg) but I just don't see how it's worth it to lose a precious slot to have both. I think it's better to have inner light on your main bar and Flames of Oblivion on your back bar. That way your main bar benefits from the max magicka increase and you can still swap to your back bar and activate Flames of Oblivion for the fireball effect.

RoyalPink06

Bandit1215 wrote: »

RoyalPink06 wrote: »

Kinda new to the class myself. I rolled a dunmer dragonknight but kinda don't really know what sets to put her in. Running 5 heavy 2 light (probably should be the other way around, but I'm a sucker for heavy armor and I like being less squishy I guess), a mix of Julianos and Magnus at the moment since I doubt i'll ever get any monster sets. For weapons I'm using a destruction staff as the main, not sure yet what to back bar. She has 515 CP but not sure where best to distribute.

Unfortunately at work so I can't post stats, but she could do much better in terms of damage output. I mean, she has owned everything in solo-land so far, but having less than 2000 (probably like 1500) damage is not enough for end-game stuff. I just don't know how to get her there.

I would love some input from pro magDKs

I don't mean to sound offensive, but how do you not have monster helms at 515 CP??

@Bandit1215 ya I know. my problem is that I'm super nervous (anxiety sometimes in group setting) of the content where these things drop from. So I tend to avoid it. but maybe one day if I can get a group of people that I'm familiar with

FloppyTouch

In pvp I'm running 5 seducer and 5 silks of the sun and skoria

My back bar is endurance sword and shield my attack bar is silks of the sun sword and shield

All traits are sturdy 5 heavy 1 light 1 medium

Bar 1
Flame lash
Burning talons
Inhale
Inner light
Fossilize

Ult meteor

Bar 2/defense-buffs
Wings
Embers
Green dragons blood
Mist form
Entropy

Ult devouring swarm

This has been working really well for me when I'm in a small group of 4 I like to use bloodspawn. With the sturdy trait I just hold block and take very little damage apply embers for my burst heal later and dish out the damage.

When I get low on Stam I use green dragons blood then mist form to help get it back until I can drop ult or pop potion.

Took practice but I'm loving this build in pvp

Areloth

DK Changes:
1. Unrelenting grip: Pulls the target to you, deals X flame damage and reduces the targets movement speed by 60% for 6s
2. Coagulating Blood: Heals you for 33% of your missing life and for X life over 8s.

Light Armor changes:
Spell warding: Increases your spellresistance by 800 and your Spellpenetration by 960 for every light armor piece equipped.
Concentration: With 5pcs or more: Increases your Spelldamage by 12%

All problems solved!
Thank you.

pretzl

Areloth wrote: »

DK Changes:
1. Unrelenting grip: Pulls the target to you, deals X flame damage and reduces the targets movement speed by 60% for 6s
2. Coagulating Blood: Heals you for 33% of your missing life and for X life over 8s.

Light Armor changes:
Spell warding: Increases your spellresistance by 800 and your Spellpenetration by 960 for every light armor piece equipped.
Concentration: With 5pcs or more: Increases your Spelldamage by 12%

All problems solved!
Thank you.

That chain change would be too good in PvP. I do like the Coagulating Blood change tho. It'd make that skill viable again for solo play, definitely.

As far as the Light Armor passives you suggested; I wholly support changing Spell Warding as you've stated. It's a very nice change, but maybe adjust the values alittle. 4800 is alot of spell penetration, and that's only with 5pc Light Armor.
As for the spell damage, I think it'd be alittle too much. Maybe something like 8%?