How much does weapon damage increase with max stamina increase? - Stam DK

altemriel

Hi guys,

I was never much into math, nor did I search for some formulas for this, but I believe that experienced players can help me here.


I am thinking about letting me craft a PVP gear from my guildie crafter and I was thinking about 5 Eternal Hunt and 2+weapons Morkuldin for my Stam DK, I play with 2H/bow and mostly direct meele damage dealer, sustain style of play.

These two sets increase increase max stamina and stam recovery with their 1-4 piece bonuses.

How is weapon damage calculated? Does max stamina increase it too? I mean like directly, if stamina is a variable in the formula which also (together with other things, like sets, CPs, enchants,..) increase it.

Thank you in advance for your replies.




http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Eternal+Hunt+Set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Morkuldin+Set

Legedric

As far as I know max stamina does not increase weapon damage in a direct way but it increases your overall damage (which may be recognized by looking at your tooltip damage).

I do not know an exact translation like 1k max stamina is equal to 10 weapon damage or so, perhaps someone else knows?

IwakuraLain42

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

altemriel

Legedric wrote: »

As far as I know max stamina does not increase weapon damage in a direct way but it increases your overall damage (which may be recognized by looking at your tooltip damage).

I do not know an exact translation like 1k max stamina is equal to 10 weapon damage or so, perhaps someone else knows?

wait how do you mean "overal damage", you mean like the one in the character screen ("C" key)? Or how do you mean it?

I understand that having more stamina enables me to make more hits in a row, but I mean the weapon damage in the character screen under "weapon damage" - do you mean that?

altemriel

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

great, thank you !

So then yes, now I have about 30K stam, so with 5 Hunding`s, 3 Nightmother`s (PVE gear), so if I switch to 5 Eternal Hunt, 3 Morkuldin, my weapon damage will be higher for sure. I wonder if it will be higher that with the bonuses to weapon damage and weapon crit of Hunding`s and Nightmother`s

I have to test it out on PTS today

Legedric

As I said, max stamina does not increase your weapon damage displayed in your C screen.

Just increase/reduce your stamina and you will see no difference there.

But your damage done scales with your max stamina, so when you hover over a skill it usually tells you "deals XYZ physical damage" and THIS XYZ scales with your max stamina. This is what changes when you change your max stamina

altemriel

Legedric wrote: »

As I said, max stamina does not increase your weapon damage displayed in your C screen.

Just increase/reduce your stamina and you will see no difference there.

But your damage done scales with your max stamina, so when you hover over a skill it usually tells you "deals XYZ physical damage" and THIS XYZ scales with your max stamina. This is what changes when you change your max stamina

Aha , good info , and I was wondering - why did my weapon damage in the C screen not change when I switched from Altmer stam DK (wrong race choice) to Redguard stam DK with barber shop? So now I know .

altemriel

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

and what is the difference between "critical chance" and "critical damage"? I suppose crit chance is the percentage displayed in the C screen under weapon crit. Where can I find how high my "critical damage"?

Is there any addon, that changes the C screen so that I can see it there?

bebynnag

ok so you have your character screen which shows max stam, health magic. your recovery & max weapons/spell damage & crit chance this gives you your stat's, so people often refer to this as the stat sheet

then you have your tooltip figures, so for example when you look at poison injection it will say deals 'X' damage over time. this figure changes based on the sum that was kindly posted

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

as you can see you max stamina not only increases the amount of attacks you can perform it increases the strength of those attacks

if you want to run eternal hunt, you NEED to make sure you have high recovery and you need to reduce your roll cost without sacraficing damage or survivability.

Legedric

altemriel wrote: »

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

and what is the difference between "critical chance" and "critical damage"? I suppose crit chance is the percentage displayed in the C screen under weapon crit. Where can I find how high my "critical damage"?

Is there any addon, that changes the C screen so that I can see it there?

Critical Hit Chance increases your chance to land a critical hit.

Critical Hit Damage increases your actual damage multiplier for critical hits, so the damage done when you land a critical hit.

altemriel

puffytheslayer wrote: »

ok so you have your character screen which shows max stam, health magic. your recovery & max weapons/spell damage & crit chance this gives you your stat's, so people often refer to this as the stat sheet

then you have your tooltip figures, so for example when you look at poison injection it will say deals 'X' damage over time. this figure changes based on the sum that was kindly posted

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

as you can see you max stamina not only increases the amount of attacks you can perform it increases the strength of those attacks

if you want to run eternal hunt, you NEED to make sure you have high recovery and you need to reduce your roll cost without sacraficing damage or survivability.

ok and how to do that? with CPs? I usually use blue or purple food for increase max stam/increase max health for PVE. Is it better to use recovery drinks? And how do I reduce costs of dodge roll? CPs to Warlord(reduce cost of stam abilities) I suppose, anything else? I think there was one more CP star that directly reduces the cost of roll dodge, right? I do not remember which one that was now...


And how much high stam recovery do I need?

altemriel

Legedric wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

and what is the difference between "critical chance" and "critical damage"? I suppose crit chance is the percentage displayed in the C screen under weapon crit. Where can I find how high my "critical damage"?

Is there any addon, that changes the C screen so that I can see it there?

Critical Hit Chance increases your chance to land a critical hit.

Critical Hit Damage increases your actual damage multiplier for critical hits, so the damage done when you land a critical hit.

ok and is there any way to display how high is my Crit hit damage?

Amachie

One way is to use extended stats addon.

SlayerTheDragon

If the above is true ((ST/ 10.46) + WD) then

1 WD = 10.46 ST

Or the damage boost you get from 1 WD is equivalent to the damage boost you get from 10.6 ST

altemriel

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

If the above is true ((ST/ 10.46) + WD) then

1 WD = 10.46 ST

Or the damage boost you get from 1 WD is equivalent to the damage boost you get from 10.6 ST

thank you Mr. Math , my (very poor) math processor is in awe

altemriel

altemriel wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

ok so you have your character screen which shows max stam, health magic. your recovery & max weapons/spell damage & crit chance this gives you your stat's, so people often refer to this as the stat sheet

then you have your tooltip figures, so for example when you look at poison injection it will say deals 'X' damage over time. this figure changes based on the sum that was kindly posted

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

as you can see you max stamina not only increases the amount of attacks you can perform it increases the strength of those attacks

if you want to run eternal hunt, you NEED to make sure you have high recovery and you need to reduce your roll cost without sacraficing damage or survivability.

ok and how to do that? with CPs? I usually use blue or purple food for increase max stam/increase max health for PVE. Is it better to use recovery drinks? And how do I reduce costs of dodge roll? CPs to Warlord(reduce cost of stam abilities) I suppose, anything else? I think there was one more CP star that directly reduces the cost of roll dodge, right? I do not remember which one that was now...


And how much high stam recovery do I need?

anyone ?

ArchMikem

I dont feel comfortable unless my recovery is at least 1100 or 1200. Mines just over 1200.

And the damage thing, max stam doesnt effect your weapon damage stat, but it does affect the damage values of your abilities. More stam you have the higher the damage your abilities do.

bebynnag

altemriel wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

ok so you have your character screen which shows max stam, health magic. your recovery & max weapons/spell damage & crit chance this gives you your stat's, so people often refer to this as the stat sheet

then you have your tooltip figures, so for example when you look at poison injection it will say deals 'X' damage over time. this figure changes based on the sum that was kindly posted

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

as you can see you max stamina not only increases the amount of attacks you can perform it increases the strength of those attacks

if you want to run eternal hunt, you NEED to make sure you have high recovery and you need to reduce your roll cost without sacraficing damage or survivability.

ok and how to do that? with CPs? I usually use blue or purple food for increase max stam/increase max health for PVE. Is it better to use recovery drinks? And how do I reduce costs of dodge roll? CPs to Warlord(reduce cost of stam abilities) I suppose, anything else? I think there was one more CP star that directly reduces the cost of roll dodge, right? I do not remember which one that was now...


And how much high stam recovery do I need?

there is an armour trait that reduces roll dodge cost, and CP can also reduce it i dont think the reduce stam cost of abilities has any effect on roll dodge costs,

eternal hunt gives you recovery, you could run drinks, change your mundus or CP. how many champion points do you have?

you mentioned PTS earlier have you transferred your live character to pts?

while running the roll dodge monkey build there are several thing you need, high stam, high recovery & reduce roll cost, and there are multiple ways to boost each

on PTS more so than on live, you really can just play around & find a combo that works.
the 3 traits that i think you should play with are infused, divines & well fitted for PvE, but impen is important for PvP
infused (increse effectivness of enchantment)
divines (increase the boon you receive from your mundus)
well fitted (reduce roll dodge & sprint)
Impenetrable (reduce critical damage taken)

you dont have to go all in on single trait, you can mix & match but note that inpen is useless in PvE

you never mentiond jewelry earlier, but you did mention a part set to go with yur E.H.
i will assume that you are running agility and do not currently have access to master or maelstrom weapons.
there are lots of sets that could work alongside eternal hunt and because they are available in jewelry, you will be able to run 2 full sets (with 5th piece bonuses) and a monster helm or shoulder, for the 1 piece bonus

with regards to what a good recovery figure is i dont have a PvE roll dodge monkey build so simply put... i dont know! sorry

so in summery go to PTS, play around find a combo that works for you & then replicate it on live

altemriel

puffytheslayer wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

ok so you have your character screen which shows max stam, health magic. your recovery & max weapons/spell damage & crit chance this gives you your stat's, so people often refer to this as the stat sheet

then you have your tooltip figures, so for example when you look at poison injection it will say deals 'X' damage over time. this figure changes based on the sum that was kindly posted

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

as you can see you max stamina not only increases the amount of attacks you can perform it increases the strength of those attacks

if you want to run eternal hunt, you NEED to make sure you have high recovery and you need to reduce your roll cost without sacraficing damage or survivability.

ok and how to do that? with CPs? I usually use blue or purple food for increase max stam/increase max health for PVE. Is it better to use recovery drinks? And how do I reduce costs of dodge roll? CPs to Warlord(reduce cost of stam abilities) I suppose, anything else? I think there was one more CP star that directly reduces the cost of roll dodge, right? I do not remember which one that was now...


And how much high stam recovery do I need?

there is an armour trait that reduces roll dodge cost, and CP can also reduce it i dont think the reduce stam cost of abilities has any effect on roll dodge costs,

eternal hunt gives you recovery, you could run drinks, change your mundus or CP. how many champion points do you have?

you mentioned PTS earlier have you transferred your live character to pts?

while running the roll dodge monkey build there are several thing you need, high stam, high recovery & reduce roll cost, and there are multiple ways to boost each

on PTS more so than on live, you really can just play around & find a combo that works.
the 3 traits that i think you should play with are infused, divines & well fitted for PvE, but impen is important for PvP
infused (increse effectivness of enchantment)
divines (increase the boon you receive from your mundus)
well fitted (reduce roll dodge & sprint)
Impenetrable (reduce critical damage taken)

you dont have to go all in on single trait, you can mix & match but note that inpen is useless in PvE

you never mentiond jewelry earlier, but you did mention a part set to go with yur E.H.
i will assume that you are running agility and do not currently have access to master or maelstrom weapons.
there are lots of sets that could work alongside eternal hunt and because they are available in jewelry, you will be able to run 2 full sets (with 5th piece bonuses) and a monster helm or shoulder, for the 1 piece bonus

with regards to what a good recovery figure is i dont have a PvE roll dodge monkey build so simply put... i dont know! sorry

so in summery go to PTS, play around find a combo that works for you & then replicate it on live

I have around 360 CPs now.

No I have not transfered my character to PTS - I was wondering earlier how to do that - could not find out - how to do that pls?

Yes, on my PVE gear (5 Hunding, 3 Nightmother) I have all infused and divines traits. But on the new PVP gear I would go for all impenetrable I guess. Or maybe 5 impen, 2 well fitted?

For my PVE gear I run Ravager jewelry, I do not have agility yet, did not farm the trophies in IC for that yet, and do not have so much gold to buy it yet. I am a casual player, I play only few day a week, so for me to get gold to buy agil jewelry is pretty hard.

hmm, I am not sure which kind of build I want to run, I like to be able to do high direct meele damage and have good survivability too. Which kind of set combinations would you recommend to combine with 5 Eternal Hunt, appart from Morkuldin, which was adviced earlier here?


Yes, I have to go on PTS to test it out myself too

altemriel

aha, about the copy of my char to PTS, I found this:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2953414/#Comment_2953414

any idea, when ZOS will copy our characters to PTS now? I am PC EU

or in case they already did it, how to access my char there (I know it is just a one way copy, not a transfer)

bebynnag

im xbox EU so i have no idea about transfering charaters to PTS sorry

the IC event has been extended on live, so now is the best time to farm those trophies & open the vaults, agility jewelry can also drop from dungeons so if you dont want to/cant go to the sewers try random dungeons.

a lot of people keep 2 (locked) sets, PvE set & their PvP set,
eternal hunt is great fun in any circumstance, and it is not useless in PvE, but a lot of players consider it more usefull in PvP.

i would suggest keeping your current set up for PVE your set up sound fine for dungeons imho, obviously work toward getting your agility, healthy is a much cheaper option you may want to consider.
i used to run 2 piece arcane (which is a rediculously cheap option) on my stam DK, switched to max health max stam food (instead of tri stat) she needed the magic because of her buffs so it worked well as a place holder until RNGEEBUS came through; so depending on your class this could also be an option for you

there is a set that drops (with jewelry) from gold coast that deals physical damage & knocks down enemies when you roll dodge, (cant remember the name sorry) a lot of people combine this with eternal hunt in PvP,

ALSO one of the sets from Sanctum also increases weapon damage on roll doge (skirmisher). skirmisher drops on normal sanctum so is easily attainable if you have 11 friends.

the gold coast set is much cheeper than skirmisher, but skirmisher is much cheaper than robust agility.

your main obstacle at the moment will be financial, for a optimised PVE character your champion points need to be set up 1 way, and another way for PVP
i know you are a casual player, but it may be worth considering leveing an alternate character up for PVP. (once you hit level 50 it will automatically reach CR160)
so you can have 1 PVE character & 1 PVP character, both set up specifically for that task without spending a small fortune every time you switch

altemriel

puffytheslayer wrote: »

im xbox EU so i have no idea about transfering charaters to PTS sorry

the IC event has been extended on live, so now is the best time to farm those trophies & open the vaults, agility jewelry can also drop from dungeons so if you dont want to/cant go to the sewers try random dungeons.

a lot of people keep 2 (locked) sets, PvE set & their PvP set,
eternal hunt is great fun in any circumstance, and it is not useless in PvE, but a lot of players consider it more usefull in PvP.

i would suggest keeping your current set up for PVE your set up sound fine for dungeons imho, obviously work toward getting your agility, healthy is a much cheaper option you may want to consider.
i used to run 2 piece arcane (which is a rediculously cheap option) on my stam DK, switched to max health max stam food (instead of tri stat) she needed the magic because of her buffs so it worked well as a place holder until RNGEEBUS came through; so depending on your class this could also be an option for you

there is a set that drops (with jewelry) from gold coast that deals physical damage & knocks down enemies when you roll dodge, (cant remember the name sorry) a lot of people combine this with eternal hunt in PvP,

ALSO one of the sets from Sanctum also increases weapon damage on roll doge (skirmisher). skirmisher drops on normal sanctum so is easily attainable if you have 11 friends.

the gold coast set is much cheeper than skirmisher, but skirmisher is much cheaper than robust agility.

your main obstacle at the moment will be financial, for a optimised PVE character your champion points need to be set up 1 way, and another way for PVP
i know you are a casual player, but it may be worth considering leveing an alternate character up for PVP. (once you hit level 50 it will automatically reach CR160)
so you can have 1 PVE character & 1 PVP character, both set up specifically for that task without spending a small fortune every time you switch

yes, I saw that post about IC, I will for sure go there on Friday night or during the weekend when I will play.

for sure I will keep my PVE set . and then switch to the PVP set when I will go to Cyro.

I see here, that that Gold coast set you are talking about it probably the first one there:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Dark+Brotherhood+Sets

but do you know where in the Gold coast does it drop? Or anywhere there?

I never did a Trial before, so maybe one day I try to farm the Skyrmisher set ....


hmm, but leveling an alt...., no , I barely have time to play my main, not even an alt, so that is a NO GO for me

I hope there will be a way to set the CPs so, that it will be good for PVP and just ok for PVE

stevepdodson_ESO888

altemriel wrote: »

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Roughly damage follows this formula:

Average damage = ( ( max stamina / 10.46 ) + weapon damage ) * ( 1 + ( critical chance * critical damage ) )

and what is the difference between "critical chance" and "critical damage"? I suppose crit chance is the percentage displayed in the C screen under weapon crit. Where can I find how high my "critical damage"?

Is there any addon, that changes the C screen so that I can see it there?

your critical damage has a "base" value of 1.5 times your normal (non crit) damge
this can be increased with various buffs from the mundus you chose to certain skills (e.g. Rearming Trap and Aggressive Warhorn)

bebynnag

altemriel wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

im xbox EU so i have no idea about transfering charaters to PTS sorry

the IC event has been extended on live, so now is the best time to farm those trophies & open the vaults, agility jewelry can also drop from dungeons so if you dont want to/cant go to the sewers try random dungeons.

a lot of people keep 2 (locked) sets, PvE set & their PvP set,
eternal hunt is great fun in any circumstance, and it is not useless in PvE, but a lot of players consider it more usefull in PvP.

i would suggest keeping your current set up for PVE your set up sound fine for dungeons imho, obviously work toward getting your agility, healthy is a much cheaper option you may want to consider.
i used to run 2 piece arcane (which is a rediculously cheap option) on my stam DK, switched to max health max stam food (instead of tri stat) she needed the magic because of her buffs so it worked well as a place holder until RNGEEBUS came through; so depending on your class this could also be an option for you

there is a set that drops (with jewelry) from gold coast that deals physical damage & knocks down enemies when you roll dodge, (cant remember the name sorry) a lot of people combine this with eternal hunt in PvP,

ALSO one of the sets from Sanctum also increases weapon damage on roll doge (skirmisher). skirmisher drops on normal sanctum so is easily attainable if you have 11 friends.

the gold coast set is much cheeper than skirmisher, but skirmisher is much cheaper than robust agility.

your main obstacle at the moment will be financial, for a optimised PVE character your champion points need to be set up 1 way, and another way for PVP
i know you are a casual player, but it may be worth considering leveing an alternate character up for PVP. (once you hit level 50 it will automatically reach CR160)
so you can have 1 PVE character & 1 PVP character, both set up specifically for that task without spending a small fortune every time you switch

yes, I saw that post about IC, I will for sure go there on Friday night or during the weekend when I will play.

for sure I will keep my PVE set . and then switch to the PVP set when I will go to Cyro.

I see here, that that Gold coast set you are talking about it probably the first one there:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Dark+Brotherhood+Sets

but do you know where in the Gold coast does it drop? Or anywhere there?

I never did a Trial before, so maybe one day I try to farm the Skyrmisher set ....


hmm, but leveling an alt...., no , I barely have time to play my main, not even an alt, so that is a NO GO for me

I hope there will be a way to set the CPs so, that it will be good for PVP and just ok for PVE

gold coast sets drop from the quests, the repeatable quests, treasure chests, open world chests, world bosses, dungeon boses & mobs.

i have auto loot on so im not sure exactly what i get from where, but im sure theres a guide somewhere

if an alt character is not an option then i would suggest a mix of impen & well fitted traits on your PVP clothes,

red CP work towards the 120 passive that reduces stam cost after breaking free (at about 350 CP you are benefiting from the catch up system so will get this passive quickly) it is in the middle one (eu servers are down so i cant check what its called) once you have 120 cp in here, start putting points into reduce crit damage, a few in increase effectivness on healing received will also help

green CP as you know reduce stamina cost of abilities is usefull in both PVE & PVP, increase stam recovery will be more usefull when you are in your high regen PVP set up but still usefull in PVE, a few CP into reduce roll cost will again be more usefull in your eternal hunt, but also usefull in PVE

blue CP you want to split them up between damage over time, physical/poison/deisease damage, crit damage & physical penetration, every one of them will be usefull to you in both circumstances again get that 120 passive (you are tantalisingly close)
then you can put a few points into increase damage against oponents with shields it will help (more so in PVP against shield stackers) but also in PVE

bebynnag

PS you could just ignore the increse damage against oponents with shield and concentrate on physical penetration, there is an arfument for both, but at the end of the day you need to go with the one that works best for you

just so you know if you were optimising for PVE, increase crit damage would be your focus, and if you were optimising for PVP penetration would be your focus, (you never ignore the other but) but splitting your CP betweenboth a little it will aloow you to switch between both, as penetration IS usefull in PVE, where as crit damage isnt as usefull in PVP (because so many people wear impen) i suggest focus more on penetration

altemriel

great advices @puffytheslayer !! thank you very much !!

bebynnag

altemriel wrote: »

great advices @puffytheslayer !! thank you very much !!

your welcome ( and sorry about all the typos!)

altemriel

puffytheslayer wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

great advices @puffytheslayer !! thank you very much !!

your welcome ( and sorry about all the typos!)

nah, typos I did not notice at all ;D, good advice is good advice

bebynnag

altemriel wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

great advices @puffytheslayer !! thank you very much !!

your welcome ( and sorry about all the typos!)

nah, typos I did not notice at all ;D, good advice is good advice

oh also max food will be more usefull in PVE while drinks (regen) for PVP, could become expensive if you buy your supplies so leveling provisioning is probablly the way to go.

altemriel

puffytheslayer wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

puffytheslayer wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

great advices @puffytheslayer !! thank you very much !!

your welcome ( and sorry about all the typos!)

nah, typos I did not notice at all ;D, good advice is good advice

oh also max food will be more usefull in PVE while drinks (regen) for PVP, could become expensive if you buy your supplies so leveling provisioning is probablly the way to go.

fortunately provisioning I leveled to max as the first crafting skill line , probably because I love to cook also in real life

xKaSx7

From what I just read.. your max stam and your max magica reflects on how much damage you dish out... meaning darkelf get a boost in both meaning darkelf can hybrid..ish.. have a melee but mostly uses magic or has a magic ability but mostly uses dw for instance... hmmm