Are maelstrom weapons stilll BIS for a stam nightblade

BruhItsOver9000

Nightblades have a gap closer that is way more useful then crit rush, we also get empower from it and we have the best spammable ability that is way better than flurry, volley is not that useful in pvp. Maelstrom weapons are not BIS for a nightblade.
When i see a nightblade that has a maelstrom weapon equiped, i think he/she are just showing off. There're glyphs that are way more powerful then maelstrom enchants.

Totalitarian

You probably only need the Maelstrom Bow for PVE, because you can survive off of Surprise Attack as a spammable.

SirAndy

BIS for what?

PvE?
Trials?
PvP?
Solo?
Group?
Collecting flowers?

BruhItsOver9000

SirAndy wrote: »

BIS for what?

PvE?
Trials?
PvP?
Solo?
Group?
Collecting flowers?

Both pve and pvp solo and groups. the maelstrom bow is bis in pve but not in pvp, surprise attack is better then flurry because it applies major fracture and can be animation cancelled, ambush grants empower while crit rush only grants a critical hit, so yea maelstrom enchants are useless for nightblade in pvp and pve solo and groups.

Jaronking

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

BIS for what?

PvE?
Trials?
PvP?
Solo?
Group?
Collecting flowers?

Both pve and pvp solo and groups. the maelstrom bow is bis in pve but not in pvp, surprise attack is better then flurry because it applies major fracture and can be animation cancelled, ambush grants empower while crit rush only grants a critical hit, so yea maelstrom enchants are useless for nightblade in pvp and pve solo and groups.

For PVP most NB don't use crit rush they just use the 2h for the weapon damage and put a poison on it.That's what I currently do.In Vet MA only real solo content in this game yes surprise attack is better for that.In PVP surprise attack is better for a stamblade.In Group PVE surprised attack is useless because your tank will apply the debuff and you will do more damage with flurry in the long run.It also does more damage than surprised attack actually I remember @Decimus posted a thread about it a while back.So in End game PVE trials and Vet dungeons mainly the DlC ones you do more damage on a stamblade with MA DW and Bow.Stamina builds in PVE are heavy dot focus.

So yes your right about PVP but wrong about PVE.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

^^^^^ What @Jaronking said.

Lets also not forget that you are seeing more and more people run flurry builds in PVP. I got more multi-kills by empowering dawnbreaker with cruel flurry, than I ever did with prox det. Not saying that is necessarily best for stamblade, as they actually have a class spam skill, but its something to think about.

DRXHarbinger

Can you empower dawnbreaker with flurry? Thought it only worked with target attacks and not cone or area.

Also crit rush on my NB with sharp vma maul hits for 17k plus the bleed at least 6. Ambush and then empowering sup attack only does about the same combined, but the bleed cannot be dodged or blocked, when I get gap closed in pvp I always hold block or pop ward. One hit for the same power is surely better?

Nerdman9

I've been duelling a lot on the pts and have tried with rapid strikes and surprise attack, and I actually seem to get more kills by using maelstrom dw weapons and empowering dots like rending slashes and dawnbreaker with them. The dots tick for so much that people waste their resources just trying to heal through them, and usually can't anyways.

This of course is just duelling, not larger scale pvp. As for pve, solo things like vMA you'll have more success with surprise attack and non MA weps, ( instant, debuffs boss and buffs you) but for everything else pve, like dungeons and trials, maelstrom weapons with rapid strikes largely out perform regular weapons with surprise attack. Trust me, my dps skyrocketed when I got my dw and bow maelstrom weapons.

Bisenberger96

Personally as a stamblade I use the master's bow and maelstrom's maul. The dot from the maul (even though it is weakened in pvp, I've still seen it kill people) and increased damage from crit rush when hitting from a large distance hits harder than ambush (plus the fact that it always crits, and nightblades have the highest crit damage of any class). Even though impenetrable is used in pvp, crit still counts. Plus with crit charge... MACRO SLICE INSTA KILL
This is all coming from a pvp perspective, which is what this post seems to be focusing on. With a stamblade, Maelstrom weapons crush other weapons in pve in most circumstances regardless of the buff to regular enchants.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Can you empower dawnbreaker with flurry? Thought it only worked with target attacks and not cone or area.

Also crit rush on my NB with sharp vma maul hits for 17k plus the bleed at least 6. Ambush and then empowering sup attack only does about the same combined, but the bleed cannot be dodged or blocked, when I get gap closed in pvp I always hold block or pop ward. One hit for the same power is surely better?

I believe the initial hit can not be buffed with cruel flurry, but the associated DoT can be (which is the bulk of the damage). If it cant, then Dawnbreaker is more OP than I thought. Haha