BOP and BOE Items Cause less player interaction and doesn't make sense.

Mashille

Person: Hey are there any Crafters who could improve this Weapon to Legendary for me? I can provide Tempers.

Me: Sure thing.

*During trade.

Person: Oh, it won't let me trade it.

Me: Is it BOP or have you Equipped it before?

Person: I have been using it awhile in my PvP build but apparently Gold weapons make a big difference to damage.

Me: Ah, if it's BOE then you won't be able to trade it to anyone and will have to upgrade it yourself

Person: So I have to level up my alot in order to get the Passive which allows me to improve items efficiently, that's dumb.

Me: Yeah.

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And yes, it is very dumb. Any form of BOP or BOE is really ridiculous as it means literally everybody in the game has to become a crafter in order to get decent gear in end game. It stupid for a few other reasons too.

In my opinion it makes Crafters seem worth far less as they're not a source of help for non crafters. Because people can't go to them to ask for them to Improve an item just because it was either BOP or they have used it before.

I know this has been brought up before but I really think something needs to be done about Items Binding. I understand there may be reasons for it but I still dislike how majorly prevalent it is on alot of items..

KingMagaw

More time you squander on farming/crafting is the longer you sub, longer yoou sub more money they get. Never expect this to change.

Making it easier to get your build, in my eyes anyway, reduces the amount of time you will most likely play ESO ))

Browiseth

Sooooo
In order to use the crafting system effectively you need to level up your crafting skill

Huh

Weird.

Chew_Magna

You don't "have" to become a crafter to do this. Just decon everything to get the skill up. Then put 3 points (I think it's 3) into the passive that makes upgrading easier. I decon everything, even if I'm not crafting on that character, just for the mats. You'll get to 50 in blacksmith, woodworking, and clothier very easy that way. All my max level characters are 50 in these, even if they aren't crafters.

Bryanonymous

Deconning junk will get you high enough very fast. Sounds like an issue of laziness.

Waffennacht

You can still improve items without leveling correct? It just takes way more improvement items correct?

nimander99

Wouldn't it be amazing if we could play a game where there was no such thing as BoP or BoE... What would that be like?

Black Desert Online

THEDKEXPERIENCE

The number of posts lately that can be summarized with "I play end game content and it's unfair that I have to (fill in blank) to do something is waaaaaaaa!" has risen exponentially.

Rohamad_Ali

Most of Us know the work around but what the OP says is this makes little sense and I agree . There is nothing lore wise that explains boe and the thought of a crafter not being able to touch something because another player once held it is a little goofy . I wish they would do away with the binding all together .

Look at looting . That NPC was able to wear or have that item and you took from their corpse and wore it . No lore explaining this system .

Browiseth

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Most of Us know the work around but what the OP says is this makes little sense and I agree . There is nothing lore wise that explains boe and the thought of a crafter not being able to touch something because another player once held it is a little goofy . I wish they would do away with the binding all together .

Look at looting . That NPC was able to wear or have that item and you took from their corpse and wore it . No lore explaining this system .

We're also unfortunately playing a videogame, not r34l l1f3

The "it doesn't make sense realistically" isn't a very good argument I'm afraid...

I'm not in favour of BoP also

Rohamad_Ali

Browiseth wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Most of Us know the work around but what the OP says is this makes little sense and I agree . There is nothing lore wise that explains boe and the thought of a crafter not being able to touch something because another player once held it is a little goofy . I wish they would do away with the binding all together .

Look at looting . That NPC was able to wear or have that item and you took from their corpse and wore it . No lore explaining this system .

We're also unfortunately playing a videogame, not r34l l1f3

The "it doesn't make sense realistically" isn't a very good argument I'm afraid...

I'm not in favour of BoP also

It is to me . Lol

It's not something that makes or breaks the game but I still don't like the system just to make the game more gindy . Grinds don't make a game good , puzzles , mysterious , good action and content make games good . Lazy development relies on long grinds to keep players interest . There's entire development videos on this an showing with supporting evidence this does not keep player retention .

Browiseth

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Most of Us know the work around but what the OP says is this makes little sense and I agree . There is nothing lore wise that explains boe and the thought of a crafter not being able to touch something because another player once held it is a little goofy . I wish they would do away with the binding all together .

Look at looting . That NPC was able to wear or have that item and you took from their corpse and wore it . No lore explaining this system .

We're also unfortunately playing a videogame, not r34l l1f3

The "it doesn't make sense realistically" isn't a very good argument I'm afraid...

I'm not in favour of BoP also

It is to me . Lol

It's not something that makes or breaks the game but I still don't like the system just to make the game more gindy . Grinds don't make a game good , puzzles , mysterious , good action and content make games good . Lazy development relies on long grinds to keep players interest . There's entire development videos on this an showing with supporting evidence this does not keep player retention .

Yeah I'm not dissagreeing with you dude, just saying that using "it's not realistic" is not a good reasoning to make a change to a videogame - something that is fictional and disconnected from reality

mook-eb16_ESO

Come on 90% of people levelled up crafting, ..hmm I didnt do alechemy after 2 years lol, but really its not hard to get a char to the point where they can upgrade stuff more cheaply, decon all that junk very easy. I have so much junk from pvp rewards or dungeons to get rid of, once your done you're done. And hey you get free mats from your hireling free gold tempers! not tempted , weird!

KaleidoscopeEyz

I approve of punishing people who don't craft. Slackers need to invest some skills points, son.

Danksta

Waffennacht wrote: »

You can still improve items without leveling correct? It just takes way more improvement items correct?

Yea, but I think it's 20 gold mats to have 100% chance if you don't have the passives.

ajwest927

ZOS need to create a lending option for BOP & BOE for reasons like this.

Mashille

@danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO

I don't think you understand this at all...

In a fantasy universe not everyone is a Blacksmith, Clothier, Alchemist, Enchanter, Woodworker etc. Most people would go to a Tailor to ask for something repaired or a Blacksmith to get something made or improved. In ESO this cannot happen due to BOP and BOE and basically forces the entire playerbase to go into crafting.

I am not talking from this view personally as I have a full crafting character so don't try to patronize me with your comments about complaining not being able to get gear.

It diminishes what being a Crafter is in the game as well as not making any sense.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Danksta wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You can still improve items without leveling correct? It just takes way more improvement items correct?

Yea, but I think it's 20 gold mats to have 100% chance if you don't have the passives.

If someone has been playing this game long enough to do end game content and never deconstructed anything, the 5 million gold they are sitting on should probably be put to use.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Mashille wrote: »

@danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO

I don't think you understand this at all...

In a fantasy universe not everyone is a Blacksmith, Clothier, Alchemist, Enchanter, Woodworker etc. Most people would go to a Tailor to ask for something repaired or a Blacksmith to get something made or improved. In ESO this cannot happen due to BOP and BOE and basically forces the entire playerbase to go into crafting.

I am not talking from this view personally as I have a full crafting character so don't try to patronize me with your comments about complaining not being able to get gear.

It diminishes what being a Crafter is in the game as well as not making any sense.

Solution: Use different gear.

Mashille

@danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO

You're right, he should've just used all those Gear Sets that Drop in Legendary quali - Oh wait.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Mashille wrote: »

@danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO

You're right, he should've just used all those Gear Sets that Drop in Legendary quali - Oh wait.

Seriously though, if you have a crafter, put your equipment in the bank and switch toons.

Bryanonymous

Traits and motifs are plenty to separate a crafter from a player who leveled up a craft for the skill points. There is no excuse for being too lazy to decon junk.

So many other things could fall into the unrealistic category, such as infinite lives, however it's a game. Please, if you're going to cite realism... Please start with the invincible guards.

Rohamad_Ali

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

@danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO

I don't think you understand this at all...

In a fantasy universe not everyone is a Blacksmith, Clothier, Alchemist, Enchanter, Woodworker etc. Most people would go to a Tailor to ask for something repaired or a Blacksmith to get something made or improved. In ESO this cannot happen due to BOP and BOE and basically forces the entire playerbase to go into crafting.

I am not talking from this view personally as I have a full crafting character so don't try to patronize me with your comments about complaining not being able to get gear.

It diminishes what being a Crafter is in the game as well as not making any sense.

Solution: Use different gear.

The solution is not eluding anyone here , we are understanding what needs to be done now . The discussion is about how this is not being the best for the game and making crafters as a profession even more valuable to players not wanting to craft .

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Yeah, but the example makes no sense. If someone has been around long enough to need end game gear, they either ...

- Have deconstructed enough stuff to have the mats
- Have millions of gold by vendoring everything
- Have 200+ skill points that can easily be moved around
- Have a crafting toon


The example given involves a person with none of these which would probably be 0.0001% of the game's population. The entire basis of this post is to point out how unfair it is to this fictional person, and not the OP who admitted to having a crafting toon.

There is literally nothing to complain about or even argue about.

Beardimus

Leveling metal / wood / cloth is easy. I got to L50 without making more than about 5 pieces, just deconned everything. Yep you need skill points tho.

It's a pricey lesson for that person, but they can still improve it it just costs more. So you either pay time or Gold, kinda fair.

Rohamad_Ali

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Traits and motifs are plenty to separate a crafter from a player who leveled up a craft for the skill points. There is no excuse for being too lazy to decon junk.

So many other things could fall into the unrealistic category, such as infinite lives, however it's a game. Please, if you're going to cite realism... Please start with the invincible guards.

No excuse for being lazy ? What if a player puts in tons of work ingame on PvP and plays the game for the content they enjoy and got Emperor and Grand Warlord titles . That takes a lot of time and work . What if they said you were lazy for not getting alliance rank up and everyone should have to do that at least to Tyro to be able to hold a weapon and unlock a weapon ability ?

This is called blocking content to play styles and no players like to be forced to do something they don't like just to be able to level thier gear or get an ability . It's lazy grind style development .

Mashille

@Beardimus

My point is people shouldn't have to level their crafting up. You can say it's part of the game but it really shouldn't be. I will say again, in a fantasy universe not everyone is a Blacksmith, Tailor etc.

Mashille

@danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO

Also, I have a friend who recently hit CP 160. He had around 250,000 gold. I have no idea why you think people who hit Gear cap have Millions of Gold.

Browiseth

Browiseth wrote: »

Sooooo
In order to use the crafting system effectively you need to level up your crafting skill

Huh

Weird.

I still stand by this

Realism or believability are secondary to game mechanics in a g a m e

psychotic13

Crafting doesn't take long to level, don't see the big deal?

Bryanonymous

Mashille wrote: »

@Beardimus

My point is people shouldn't have to level their crafting up. You can say it's part of the game but it really shouldn't be. I will say again, in a fantasy universe not everyone is a Blacksmith, Tailor etc.

You don't have to level it. You can pay a much higher price if you choose. You are not entitled to the discount that others earn.