I want to buy my craft bag outright!

CombatPrayer

Rather than having to have plus to get it. I wish it were both. With plus or buy .... like a dlc product!

Amsel_McKay

If they made it 10,000 Crowns I would be fine with that.

Rayya_Blackheart

No.

CombatPrayer

why not? If I could buy it outright as an option while it was also part of plus NOBODY would be impacted by that. People could still get it as part of plus while others who just wanted that could have it. It's not like it would hurt anyone else. Funny how people don't want somebody to have something even when it wouldn't impact them at all.

rhapsodious

I thought we had worked craft bag threads out of our systems by now.

CombatPrayer

I wasn't here during those thread so no I haven't worked it out of my system.

NewBlacksmurf

Lots of us want this and yet there are those that feel it should be only for a privilege of subscribing....weird but yes I agree id like to buy this feature one time.

Below you'll see really crazy suggestions around this simple requestt

Amsel_McKay

Crafting bag has made so many people subscribe there is no way they will change it to a buy items unless its 100s of $

Osteos

Now don't start this again

Rayya_Blackheart

autumnsongbird wrote: »

why not? If I could buy it outright as an option while it was also part of plus NOBODY would be impacted by that. People could still get it as part of plus while others who just wanted that could have it. It's not like it would hurt anyone else. Funny how people don't want somebody to have something even when it wouldn't impact them at all.

Because ZoS has already said no, and has said no every time this topic was brought up several times a day every day for since crafting bags were released.

magnusthorek

As far as I'm concerned, ESO+ can be paid only with credit card.

For those like me living outside US, this requires an international credit card which, depending on the country, banking laws (for minimum requirements) or even charged taxes, is not viable to have.

Being able to buy-off should exist to cover these players. But, personally, I wouldn't pay those stratospheric prices ZO$ defines.

BadLuckCharm

You can buy it - it costs about $16... $17? i think, lasts for 30 days, and comes with bonus features like access to all DLC.

It's just the way it's made.

rotaugen454

Make it 50,000 crowns and I'm ok with it.

85flyingbrick_ESO

BadLuckCharm wrote: »

You can buy it - it costs about $16... $17? i think, lasts for 30 days, and comes with bonus features like access to all DLC.

It's just the way it's made.

you might be my favorite new person. at least until i get to the bar.

CombatPrayer

Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »

autumnsongbird wrote: »

why not? If I could buy it outright as an option while it was also part of plus NOBODY would be impacted by that. People could still get it as part of plus while others who just wanted that could have it. It's not like it would hurt anyone else. Funny how people don't want somebody to have something even when it wouldn't impact them at all.

Because ZoS has already said no, and has said no every time this topic was brought up several times a day every day for since crafting bags were released.

Well I did not know this. Now I do. But I am sure this thread will be swarmed with lots of people being cranky and mean and pissy about it because right now they cannot play their game. LOL

moiraleafcull

Being one of the few perks for paying a monthly sub, it would remove what little incentive there is for retaining a subscription. While some folks may appreciate the continuing access to various DLCs, for me they are one and done and I expect a number of subscribers feel the same. Its simply a matter of retaining subscriptions.
For those of us around since beta, crafting bag is a convenience as we managed without them prior to ESO plus.

Ourorboros

From a player perspective, it makes sense to buy Craft Bags without ESO+. But from a business perspective, offering a product that has recurring income rather than one time purchase is much wiser. And zos is a business.

Rayya_Blackheart

autumnsongbird wrote: »

Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »

autumnsongbird wrote: »

why not? If I could buy it outright as an option while it was also part of plus NOBODY would be impacted by that. People could still get it as part of plus while others who just wanted that could have it. It's not like it would hurt anyone else. Funny how people don't want somebody to have something even when it wouldn't impact them at all.

Because ZoS has already said no, and has said no every time this topic was brought up several times a day every day for since crafting bags were released.

Well I did not know this. Now I do. But I am sure this thread will be swarmed with lots of people being cranky and mean and pissy about it because right now they cannot play their game. LOL

Well... this is an MMO forum. ^.^

rhapsodious

autumnsongbird wrote: »

Rayya_Blackheart wrote: »

autumnsongbird wrote: »

why not? If I could buy it outright as an option while it was also part of plus NOBODY would be impacted by that. People could still get it as part of plus while others who just wanted that could have it. It's not like it would hurt anyone else. Funny how people don't want somebody to have something even when it wouldn't impact them at all.

Because ZoS has already said no, and has said no every time this topic was brought up several times a day every day for since crafting bags were released.

Well I did not know this. Now I do. But I am sure this thread will be swarmed with lots of people being cranky and mean and pissy about it because right now they cannot play their game. LOL

If you weren't here, then that's understandable. But, no kidding, EVERY DAY there would be threads about crafting bags and squibbling about it - from both sides, albeit there were also reasonable people on both sides - and I think everyone started to get sick of repeating themselves.

... And then someone else would start a "Why crafting bags are unfair/should be purchasable with Crowns - My totally unique opinion never seen in the history of the ESO Forums" thread. And the ouroboros continued on.

I'm trying not to be cranky. Just sitting here on my bed staring at the ceiling (and at my cat, who is fascinated by... something outside) and browsing the web. Do wish the game was up though.

MornaBaine

There do need to be incentives to subscribe. Crafting bags are currently the largest one and are the main reason I keep my sub.

voreo

MornaBaine wrote: »

There do need to be incentives to subscribe. Crafting bags are currently the largest one and are the main reason I keep my sub.

Another incentive they oughta push is after so long the dlc is permanetly unlocked to your account. But i think they oughta push a limited storage craft bag on the crown store that scales with your bank space or bag space. I for one don't care much for subscriptions anymore... least not ones that can't sell Physical Game Cards at walmart.

Slurg

Maybe if you ask really nice and you're really lucky they'll put it in as a prize you have a 0.0001% chance of winning in the new gamble boxes.

idk

autumnsongbird wrote: »

Rather than having to have plus to get it. I wish it were both. With plus or buy .... like a dlc product!

@autumnsongbird unfortunately and, well, fortunately this will not happen. It's clear why since its intended to encourage subscription and selling it outright for any a mount of crown would completely undermine it being an ESO+ benefit.

As someone who was about to unsub ans just buy the DLC I think Zos made a great move in adding the crafting bag and making it an ESO+ perk.

Beardimus

Sadly I'm with ya, I want ESO plus for it, but really want writs out of Wrothgar...

JJBoomer

I don't sub (bought my dlc's and crowns when I comfortably can), and won't until it offers something I absolutely need, but I think the crafting bag should stay Sub only. Its the main draw of the sub now. And yes, Even though you can buy DLC's and crowns that equal out to a couple of 180 day subs in an upfront payment instead of spread out, subbing should come with an exclusive perk

Vangy

magnusthorek wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, ESO+ can be paid only with credit card.

For those like me living outside US, this requires an international credit card which, depending on the country, banking laws (for minimum requirements) or even charged taxes, is not viable to have.

Being able to buy-off should exist to cover these players. But, personally, I wouldn't pay those stratospheric prices ZO$ defines.

Nope... Im paying with a debit card......

nine9six

Happy it is the way it is.

wayfarerx

I want to buy my craft bag outright!

ZOS: No.

/thread

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

I've been a sub for 8 months and I'd like to buy the bag outright.

Imagine how much £€$ ZOS would make if they made it say 5000 crowns to buy outright.
The sales would be through the roof and many subs would stay subbed, monthly crowns, all dlc, bonus exp/gold/research and costume dyes.

Lucius_Aelius

I've actually changed my mind about this, I was a huge proponent of having the craft bag not be exclusive when it was first announced, but more than anything else I was driven by the fact that Inventory/bank space in this game is atrociously limited considering all the crafting materials there are. For someone like me who wants to be a Master Crafter who can make anything for anyone of any level, it's physically impossible to have all the different materials all at once, there's just too many different things and not enough room to keep them. And that's just the crafting materials, god forbid you actually want to hold onto some extra gear or swap a set between characters.

The crafting bag is not the proper solution to this problem though, and in its current form I think it was a mistake to introduce it at all. The idea of a crafting bag is all well and good, but having it be basically infinite is just a terrible idea that defies any semblance of realism (which even in a game, a basic semblance of realism must be maintained to have it be believable). There is no rationale in ES lore to allow for such a thing, and as such it shouldn't exist, period. So having a basic inventory and bank increase (a total of 300 inventory and 600-1000 bank slots sounds about right to me) for everyone is long, long overdue, and having a crafting bag that can hold 1000-2000 stacks (at the absolute most) being ESO+ exclusive is also a perfectly fair perk to give Subscribers. Guild Banks also are weirdly small considering they only have one slot per person in the guild, I think an increase to 2000 slots at the minimum would be appropriate, maybe even more but not too much more (and having things automatically stack themselves would sure as hell be nice).

And that increase for Guild Banks could be incremental, with every 100 members allowing you to have an extra 500 slots, with 500 being the base for any guilds with 1-99 members, I certainly don't need my personal Guild Bank to hold anything more than it already does but actual Guilds with lots of people could very much use the space. When the craft bag was about to be released I knew I didn't have enough room for the new mats in addition to holding onto the stuff I already had, so I did what many others have done and made my own Guild for the sole purpose of having my own personal Guild Bank with 500 slots to fill as I please. Ever since I have had absolutely zero complaints about inventory space or the lack of a craft bag, but that's no proper solution considering the time and effort involved (plus that's one less actual Guild that I can be a part of, so not without its detractors), and it's preposterous to suggest that everyone should solve their inventory problems that way.

So no, let ESO+ have their craft bags, even let them be infinite for all I care regardless of how stupid it is, it doesn't effect me either way despite the fact it would feel like cheating to me to have one. I don't now and never will subscribe (and if I were interested in subscribing, I'd only do it if I could disable the craft bag), so it's no skin off my back, and other people holding onto more mats doesn't affect me at all since I do my own farming anyway and have everything I need (and then some, as the 12 stacks of Rawhide in my Guild Bank can attest).

But there is unquestionably a very serious problem with inventory space in this game for non-subscribers who lack their own Guild Banks, which is by far the vast majority of non-subscribers, and that needs to be addressed by ZOS sooner rather than later. By all means let ESO+ people have whatever perks they need to make it worthwhile, but that's no excuse to make every nice thing exclusive to Subscribers, the rest of us are NOT second-class citizens despite what some people may say and we deserve nice things too without feeling like we're getting the short end of the stick by not subscribing.

So long as they offer people the ability to buy the DLC's outright, people who do so cannot simply be relegated to having less of everything just because we felt that a subscription was too much of a hassle. If that's how it was going to be then they never should have dropped the subscription model in the first place, but now that they have adopted this system of multiple payment methods they need to respect those of us who choose to make use of them, and as the game goes on if they keep adding more and more things just for ESO+ members with the rest of us getting *** (like dye stamps... Whoever came up with that idea deserves to be fired in my opinion, so very very stupid, just screw anyone using a costume who isn't subbed why don't you) then they're only going to drive people away.

I for one bought everything upfront, spending over $200 (on lots of extras like riding training and a few motifs as well as the Imperial Edition and Nightmare Courser), which I wouldn't have done if I was going to subscribe. I'd have just waited and bought stuff with the crowns from that, and as such I'd have spent a lot less money by this point as a subscriber (especially since I took a break for some 4 months or so). The idea was that it would pay off in the long term by only buying DLC's in the future, which means I'll spend more money upfront than a subscriber but less down the line. If I were to Subscribe now as a result of ZOS adding some exclusive that was so good I had to have it, then I'm down all that money I paid up front with nothing to show for it that I wouldn't have already had by subscribing from the start.

The only way that people who do what I did can get our money's worth is by never subscribing, period. If you pay lots of money up front and then subscribe later, you're wasting money compared to just subscribing and buying stuff slowly with the crowns from that. So for ZOS to after the fact be changing the rules of the Subscription this much by adding so many awesome perks that are exclusive, it makes me feel cheated, like they don't value the money I spent just because I didn't sub and they won't be satisfied until I change my mind and do so.

That's no way for ZOS to treat their customers, they offered us an alternative payment method and they owe it to us to not devalue that purchase after the fact with excessive perks just for Subscribers, and it's getting to the point that they seem to be doing just that. It used to be that Subscribers weren't getting their money's worth, but that's no excuse to swing the pendulum so far in the opposite direction and screw over the rest of us. Be reasonable with the perks, give Subscribers nice things that are more than non-subs get but do it tastefully in a way that doesn't cheat the rest of us out of features that should be available for everyone, like costume dying (thankfully I don't use costumes, but if I did I'd be furious about that ***). Any perk they add which is exclusive is something we can't have without wasting the money we've already spent and it's absolutely outrageous for ZOS to encourage us to waste our money like that.

The best possible way to go is make things free with the subscription but have them available for purchase directly, it stops there from being any unfairness whatsoever while still giving Subscribers the extra bonuses they deserve for paying more money (not talking about the XP boost and such though, that stuff is fair enough and couldn't effectively be sold separately anyway). If they keep going down this road of giving Subscribers gold and non-subs *** then they're just going to drive us off and lose any money we might otherwise yet spend in the process. Don't shoot yourselves in the foot ZOS, get your *** together and treat your customers like their money matters, that is if you want us to stay your customers anyway. You've got a great game, but there's only so far that can carry you if you keep implementing such short-sighted changes.

ADarklore

autumnsongbird wrote: »

Rather than having to have plus to get it. I wish it were both. With plus or buy .... like a dlc product!

ZOS has already came out and stated that crafting bags will remain ESO+ only. You can wish all you want, but that won't make it reality.